The whackjobs are right!

Wow. Let me first say I have never been a big fan of the whole idea of a "big brother". It has always seemed logistically unfeasable.

This article really served as a wakeup call to me. This information is so easy to find for the public which makes me wonder what is available to the "elite".

www.sfgate.com.../chronicle/archive/2005/07/15/BUG0UDO7R31.DTL&type=business

As the article suggests, I was able to find myself, find my house and plan any kind of "operation" I wanted in order to remove myself including the most convenient "getaway" path.

Yikes. Is it possible that too much freedom of information is as bad - or worse - than not enough?

EDIT - I meant to add in here that I feel that this kind of knowledge IS a plan by a secret ubergovernment to get us accustomed to the concept of a lack of privacy and pervasive expectation of monitoring. When it becomes commonplace and accepted the next thing is to tie in the access badges most of us have to get into our places of employment.

hmmm...

So, I wake up in the morning and turn on my satellite TV. The TiVo attached to it monitors what I watch. "They know when I get up".

I make myself breakfast - "They" know to a reasonable level of assumption that I am having Cheerios because I used my discount card at the grocery store. "They" can figure whether I have 1 or 2 bowls by the frequency which I buy said cereal.

I activate the security system in my apartment. "They" know when I leave.

I am driving in my Onstar equipped car. "They" know when I start the car up and the roads I take to get to work. "They" know when I stop at Starbucks and what I get because I use the gift card so thoughtfully given to me by a friend.

I get to work and park. Thanks to Onstar "They" again know where I am parked.

I use my access card to take the elevator to the 3rd floor of my building where I work. "They" know when I got in. If I take the stairs, well, I have to use the card to get access to my floor from the stairwell.

I log in to the computer. "They" know it all.

I go to lunch at Mel's. I use my bankcard to pay. "They" know what I got and when.

My building access card lets "Them" know when I leave.

Tivo rats me out again. I go to bed around 10:30. "They" know this because of my electricity use. It all starts over.

Do I think that "They" are actively monitoring me? No. I am not worth it. I pay my taxes, I am a wageslave, I conform.

But, if I came on "Their" radar screen, it would be a simple thing.

Yikes. Scary.

Anonymity is no longer an option. There is only conformity.

[edit on 15-7-2005 by Marid Audran]

Originally posted by Marid Audran
So, I wake up in the morning and turn on my satellite TV. The TiVo attached to it monitors what I watch. "They know when I get up".

It will be a new TIVO feature. TV that watches you.

Don't wait order today by calling your cable or satellite provider, just $9.99 per month. Do it for the safety of your children.

The sanitation department also knows how many times and at what times you "flush" also.
Its indeed scary.

You are very right indeed, the people for whom own our country with control of our lives, are jaded from many eyes.

It sucks when realisation hits home doesn't it!?
It sucks even more for the people who don't want to conform, and keep some of their freedom and anonymity.

a website trying to make money. ooooooooo

For one thing, if you want to gain a bit of anonimity, don't use banks...They already control *everyone else*, including governments, corporations & individuals. Don't think so? No corp, government or individual can make any move without moving money around...Guess who controls the flow of money?

In the US, the Federal Reserve controls money for the whole country...Against the Constitution, no less. The Consitution provides that the authority to "coin money" (minting) & the determination of its value belongs in the hands of Congress...But the Federal Reserve is a *coalition of privately-owned & operated banking firms*. The Federal Reserve Act officially documents the day when the US government sold out the economic & financial future of the entire country & its citizens to a corporation.

Even if you do retain some kind of bank account, don't use an ATM machine if you can help it...Or use the fewest number that you can, because if someone *really* wanted to track your movements & purchases, ATM records are one of the first places they start looking. Nobody really cares to find *people* anymore, they just follow the money trail. so if you use the lowest number of ATM's possible, you can still use cash to make purchases. But then again, the banks also track the *serial numbers* on cash, so they can still track where you made any cash purchases. It may not make you anonymus, but it makes "their" job to track you a little bit harder.

In the USA, only the government has a *right* to use your Social Security number...At least, so far. If a bank or any other privately owned business asks you for your SS number you can deny them. When they say it's to "better serve your needs" or they "have to be able to provide security for your needs", they're lying...It's actually a compromise of your security to let them have your SS number. No business has a *need* to know your SS number to conduct their business.


Yes, the whackjobs *are* right...The big problem is: It's the *dangerously subversive* whackjobs who already control everything.

[edit on 16-7-2005 by MidnightDStroyer]

Hrmm, that's an interesting concept I haven't thought of, the social security number. I've had jobs in call centers that I was required to verify customers social security number for security purposes. A few went absolutely nuts when I would ask to verify it and refused. The dumb thing about them was they already gave it to the company I was working for when they signed up. So I wasn't asking for it to get it from them I already had it. I was asking them to verify it to prove who they are, because there has to be a way to prove they are the owner of the account because if an unauthorized person was given access to the account the company can be held liable. Of course anyone that chose to could use a password to verify their account, but they're still required to give their social security number upon receiving, in this case a cell phone as I worked for Cingular. Without it a credit check cannot be ran and no credit check, no cell phone. So I don't know if you can honestly get away with NEVER giving out your social security number however limiting it as much as possible would be a wise decision.

[edit on 16-7-2005 by NoJustice]

hey i just met an accoutnant, who doesnt mind weather the government tracks or not as long as the gold is being racked right quick. as for me i keep my earnings in a jar. numbers are crunching all day long in this valley of silicon. with something about a black hole of systems integration compiling several quotas marked by stock assets. watch for them.



as for the weather.... too hot

*SUN*



[edit on 16-7-2005 by sturod84]

Originally posted by MidnightDStroyer
In the USA, only the government has a *right* to use your Social Security number...At least, so far. If a bank or any other privately owned business asks you for your SS number you can deny them. When they say it's to "better serve your needs" or they "have to be able to provide security for your needs", they're lying...It's actually a compromise of your security to let them have your SS number. No business has a *need* to know your SS number to conduct their business.

[edit on 16-7-2005 by MidnightDStroyer]

But you still have to give it for a job, right? For tax purposes? So if you are using it there, you may as well use it everywhere.

if you have a mobile phone 'they' know where you are at all time too!!

In the Uk the average person is caught 300 times a day on cctv, 1/5 of all the ttcv cameras are in the uk! thats 1 camera for every 14 people !

Although the UK/US echelon system cannot currently monitor all telephone/electronic communications, they can monitor a significant amount and their goal is to be able to monitor every call in the world eventually.

It's not that difficult for the security services to track you through many different mean, the question is what are you doing to be so concerned about it or do you have anything to worry about the way this information will be used?

They know when you wake up? So? Do they know you turn the tv on as soon as you wake up?

Can anyone shed light upon the idea that every cathode ray tube in a binary connection may also act as a camera?

In my thoughts it may be possible, considering the two way connection that happens in most all cable television systems. Sophisticated electronics could parse the noise factor in such a connection, and it is well known that NASA has imaging software that can clarify otherwise muddy images.

In the long run however, if you keep thinking "they are watching you," then if they are not, they may well be watching you sooner or later.

When you say binary connection you mean a person between cathodes or just two cathodes at an close proximity?

Oh, no. You are thinking of x-rays.

Originally posted by Marid Audran
But you still have to give it for a job, right? For tax purposes? So if you are using it there, you may as well use it everywhere.

Actually, no.
Even your employer has no legal requirement to withold Individual Income Taxes (& therefore, no legal need for your SS number) & even the IRS has no legal authority to enforce Income Tax Laws...Because those very laws were Unconstitutional from the beginning. Check out the two articles detailing the cases dealing with Joe Banister & Schultz vs. the IRS. For some strange reason (Go figure), these cases never saw coverage by the major news networks...I wonder why?

However, if you plan to do something like they did, I highly suggest you get yourself very, very organized & very, very well-informed...Or you'll lose your case.

did another LexisNexis search for Valerie E. Wilson in Washington, D.C. This confirmed she lives at the same address as Joseph C. Wilson. It also took me the next step.

"Former name: Plame, Valerie E."

I now had the identity of a covert CIA agent (who was using her maiden name as part of her cover as an energy-industry analyst working for a firm called Brewster Jennings & Associates, now known to be a CIA front company).

It took me less than a half-hour to identify her.

What? So? This guy needed to do a lexusnexus search to get her address? I have a magical yellow book that has not only the addresses, but the telephone numbers of everyone in my county.

I've gotta hope that even with all of the cutbacks to intelligence during the 90s that a CIA agent would have an unlisted number.

Originally posted by Marid Audran
I've gotta hope that even with all of the cutbacks to intelligence during the 90s that a CIA agent would have an unlisted number.

But the point is, this guy didn't obtain anything thats secret or even private at all. And most of the information sharing that is lamented over, tivo, onstar, etc, they're all things that you wanted, stuff that you went above and beyond to actually get.

I understand that you are saying that perhaps we are all too 'giving' of our personal information, but still, our addresses are in the phone directories, which are available on-line, and a person is constantly broadcasting their IP address and all sorts of information on line, let alone having credit reporting agencies share our information at our request, etc etc.

Originally posted by SkipShipman
Can anyone shed light upon the idea that every cathode ray tube in a binary connection may also act as a camera?

In my thoughts it may be possible, considering the two way connection that happens in most all cable television systems. Sophisticated electronics could parse the noise factor in such a connection, and it is well known that NASA has imaging software that can clarify otherwise muddy images...

I have also wanted to know how they calculate TV ratings....Do they know who is watching what...at anytime?

Well, read this article (chapter 5):

Digital television
Digital television gives the viewer a whole range of possibilities. He can be interactive with game shows, he can buy 'on-line' if he sees anything nice on Sex and the City. These features are all possible because digital TV is capable of sending more information at a time to the viewer. The interaction is also possible because instead of one way broadcasting, digital TV can send signals back to the cable company or broadcasting company.
An example that this interaction is not desirable in all cases shows TiVo. TiVo is a kind of super VCR, it can record an enormous amount of television on its hard disk. Next to that it offers a smart program guide. With hundreds of television channels it's impossible to zap through all them or to make a list of shows you want to see. TiVo can do the job for you, it remembers your preferences and gives you a list of your favorite programs as you turn it on. At first sight this is a great future, but TiVo admits that its apparatus sends information about his viewers preferences back to the 'mothership'...
www.minitrue.nl...

[edit on 22-7-2005 by mwen]