US & NK: Nuclear standoff

Emergency Surge Status

Instead of the rather vague "surge status" or "deployed status" the Navy created emergency surge status, surge ready status, and routine deployable.


Emergency surge assets are those that would be employed in cases of urgent need. Attaining emergency surge status occurs upon completion of the Basic phase of the IDTC. "Emergency Surge" status should be attained with three to four months of the completion of its maintenance period.

www.globalsecurity.org...





[Edited on 19-8-2003 by MKULTRA]

More on ESS.. incidentally I searched for it and the page was down. The quote comes from "The Flagship". But google has a cache, this quote is from the google cache of this link:

Aug. 7, 2003
The objective, Natter said July 31, is to create �a culture of readiness. The objective is not to have all our ships deployed around-the-clock, butmore importantly, be able to provide the overseas presence that the secretary of defense and the president say they want in, but also to be able to surge ... if the nation calls on us.�

The plan calls for two carriers to be deployed at all times, but have as many as six others ready to surge forward in an emergency.

216.239.51.104...
search?=cache:BaGRpYEvVgMJ:www.flagshipnews.com/current/aug072003_1.shtml+
Emergency+Surge+Status&hl=en&start=3&ie=UTF-8



[Edited on 19-8-2003 by MKULTRA]

I'm familiar with the term, I just don't remember GlobalSecurity ever reporting when a carrier has reached emergency surge status.

Well it looks like the crap has definitely hit the fan. I wonder about the outcome of the talks at the end of the month.


[Edited on 19-8-2003 by MKULTRA]

If war is to erupt in the DMZ, you have 100,000 dead in the first day in a conventional attack. All the simulations and war games have come to this conclusion. It is simply infeasible from a political standpoint to threaten NK the way the US did Iraq prior to the war. The Alaska-missile event slipped in under the radar and when I speak of it with people, they dismiss me like I�m drunk.

There�s another factor here. There is REALLY BAD JUJU between Kim and Bush. I�ve read some quotes that would make Fury blush. They both want each other�s blood�bad.
From a rat-in-a-maze point of view, my money is on Kim.

They guy might be delusional but he is also intelligent. Interestingly, he�s an Internet junkie. Chances are, he�s read some stuff on ATS. Everyone say hi to Kim Jong! Welcome to ATS! Please stop attacking us�or threatening to attack us. And dude, what�s up with the hair?

Anyway. This is my take on the current situation. As Iraq starts to heat up, Kim knows that the US is distracted, to some extent, which would play to his advantage in the public arena. It would therefore be in his interest, or better, has an incentive to inflame the situation in Iraq. The blackouts had one unique event that gets quickly overlooked. What do you think happened to Iraqi sentiments when the power was turned back on for everyone? I�d be foaming at the mouth. Instead we get these soft pieces, �Iraqis give advice for tolerating blackouts�. Please�They�re P-I-$-$-E-D. We can restore electricity for us in 5 days, but for Iraqis�well�I put it sometime next summer�? Iraq/ME is quickly consuming all of Bush�s political capital. Meanwhile, NK can continue his development of nuclear weapons and continue to demand a non-aggression treaty from the U.S. Win-win for Kim.

So the question is this, if Kim Jong had the capability and this incentive to cause the blackouts, and do so without detection, would he?


[Edited on 19-8-2003 by kukla]

Originally posted by Fry2
I was wondering about that as well. Could be high speed deployment maybe?

Ja.
Emergency surge status is new Navy terminology that means, in effect, the carrier & crew are to be ready to deploy with no more than 30 days notice. IOW, the ship has been repaired/maintained and the crew is trained & ready to go.

-B.

I think standoff is a bit of an extreme word to use under these circumstances.
It would be like your grandma vs. the dallas cowboys... some standoff.

I concur....

I'm also with Fry concerning the NK official's comments and the Alaska discovery. Besides, even if they could hit Alaska...., they'd have to be pretty accurate to actually "get" anybody there, hehe....

I know, I've lived there...miles and miles of nothin'!!! And, given they're using mostly old Russian equipment as a starting point....(not exactly known for accuracy)....

Originally posted by kukla

Interestingly, he�s an Internet junkie. Chances are, he�s read some stuff on ATS. Everyone say hi to Kim Jong! Welcome to ATS! Please stop attacking us�or threatening to attack us. And dude, what�s up with the hair?

Hiya Kim........man, that was funny as hell when I saw this.

regards
seekerof

I think I just found out why CHina has not being saying much on the Russian/S.Korea naval manoevers, etc......

"China on war footing against invasion of plague-carrying gerbils"

news.independent.co.uk...

regards
seekerof

Originally posted by Seekerof
I think I just found out why CHina has not being saying much on the Russian/S.Korea naval manoevers, etc......

"China on war footing against invasion of plague-carrying gerbils"

news.independent.co.uk...

regards
seekerof

I'm still speechless. Nice find Seekerof.

Maybe this what happens when you build the largest hydro plant in the world on top of a fault line.

Yep kukla...I was too...but it appears to be a significant problem.

I found another article saying that the gerbils were 12-16" long....sounded more like rats to me to be honest.
But nonetheless, it appears to be a significant, significant problem for the Chinese at this time. I could post the article but I think the one I posted speaks enough.

I guess one could say that there is indeed "Little Trouble in Big China".....
*edit* heres the article I mentioned:
news.bbc.co.uk...


regards
seekerof

[Edited on 20-8-2003 by Seekerof]

Big trouble in Little China. I love it!!!

China is always difficult to figure out. They move in mysterious ways. I went trolling through the People�s Daily for any hint of where they are on NK and the naval maneuvers. State-owned media is always interesting to read, for the agenda is clear. No fluff, just what the Party is thinking.

english.peopledaily.com.cn...

There is no official word or comment on the naval maneuvers. But it does look like the rhetoric on NK is increasing. This article is important to note, because it is an actual transcript of the event and has not been doctored by Bush�s media team.

Bush Calls DPRK Leader 'Dangerous Man'

''He loves the idea of, you know, making people nervous and rattling sabers and getting the world all anxious,''

english.peopledaily.com.cn...

I find Bush�s comments interesting since he�s already apologized for including them in the �Axis of Evil� and calling Jong �dangerous�. Seems like awfully tough talk with the summit only a week away.

This is an interesting piece of commentary.

US Media Kicking up Terrific Racket About 'China Threat'

�Inconceivably, turning a blind eye to the US transgressing on China's sovereignty and territorial integrity in an attempt to block China's reunification these US media just seize no time to go to every length to paint a sinister picture of China following their theory of 'China threat'.�

english.peopledaily.com.cn...

And anyone wondering what happened to all the jobs in the US, here�s most of the story. It should also be noted that China has now been a member of the WTO for a year.

US Job Losses not China's Fault: Commentary

�World economic restructuring has meant that many countries play changing roles in production. But now, with some US manufacturers claiming bankruptcy and dismissing employees, many Americans are blaming China for the crunch their country is feeling.�

english.peopledaily.com.cn...

Great articles kukla.
Did you see where China calls Taiwan a sovereign part of China and yet most of the world sees Taiwan as seperate from China? On top that, the UN hasn't even recognized Taiwan's independence. Thats makes for major bad voodoo in respect to those involved.

I still think that China also has a hidden "vision" for N.Korea. Sounds like echoes from the Korean War coming to the forefront.... I had a professor that fought over there and he always mentioned and talked about how he and a machine gun squad were told to hold a position. This position was on the other side of a river that was situated in a valley setting. He claimed that when the Chinese soldiers came over the hills to cross the river to attack positions on the other side, that they were so numerous that they loked like a army of ants. He says he can never forget that sight.

Very bad voodoo brewing there and I don't want to see it turn into a disaster zone again.....
They have enough famine and disease going rampent over there. I read an article that said by 2010 that China and the surrounding Asian countries would have 30 million+ infected by AIDS and that they are actually in severe need of condoms, etc. Very bad.....makes me almost want to say that "humanity" sucks....but got to maintain the faith and hope it gets better...one day.

regards
seekerof

Those were some great articles about China, it highlights that the talks at the end of the month will be quite important. Hopefully China will approach the situation rationally.

I find it interesting that the UN isn't all over NK's WMD program. Just goes to show you how much the average US citizen knows about world affairs.

Here's an old quote I found from Bush regarding Mr. Kim:

Dec 12 2002

The President has developed a similar grudge against the North Korean leader. �I loathe Kim Jong Il,� he told the Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward in a recent interview. �I�ve got a visceral reaction to this guy, because he is starving his people. And I have seen intelligence of these prison camps � they�re huge � that he uses to break up families and to torture people. It appals me.�

www.timesonline.co.uk...

Putin doesn't think NK has agressive intentions...?

"The Kremlin has repeatedly offered mediation in the Korea standoff. Russia is ready to host "any meetings and talks, to help in any form so as to normalize the situation" around North Korea, Putin stated on June 22. "It is a very sensitive issue for Russia due to the proximity to the Russian border," he said.

However, the Russia's leader argued that Pyongyang was unlikely to draft any aggressive plans sauing that, "North Korea is now in such a state that I do not have any reasons to believe that this country has any aggressive intentions."

Putin has also urged that Pyongyang be provided with guarantees of "non-aggression". He also said that all interested parties, including South Korea, Japan, China, the US and Russia, should take part in solving the controversy over Pyongyang's nuclear program. China confirmed August 14 that it will host the six-way talks on August 27-29 in Beijing."

vn.vladnews.ru...

[Edited on 20-8-2003 by kukla]

Does anyone see any patterns forming via kukla's last post? Last semester in my 2nd part of the History of Russia course, my professor stated that Putin is the biggest threat to the United States since Nikita. He is a hidden communist, and he is simply trying to unite all of the Old Communist States. I believe that if NK was indeed to fire a nuke at the US, it would be destroyed before it cleared NK airspace. This situation is indeed unnerving and requires more observation. Although I agree with the war in Iraq, Kim should have been taken care of years ago. Also, the 2nd Cold War? I think it's a little hasty to give NK that kind of credit.

Putin is old school KGB. Not to be trusted. He runs with the likes of Vladimir Zhirnovsky, an ultra-nationalist who thinks Russian should've continued fighting in Afghanistan.

Ku, i'm in total agreeance. I am however astonished that so many people consider NK a viable threat. I think before people start shaking in their boots because some old pedophile that looks like a woman and sports some serious bad hair spews some propaganda, i think they should take a step back and look at the people backstage of this potential crisis, a.k.a. Putin.

Its the matter of "who" is the threat at this time....
Kim and the NK situation or Putin and the 'coming' Cold War II and the re-emergence of socialist Russia.....

regards
seekerof

Dare we say that we are leaving out an important ingredient.....China?

regards
seekerof

[Edited on 20-8-2003 by Seekerof]