London Terror Attacks -- My Theory on how the bombs got there.

Just reading some recent BBC reports regarding how they now believe that the bombs were plcaed by 'home grown' islamic terrorists or whatever. Most notably they are looking at possibly of just one person planting all of them. I thought about how someone could do this, wouldn't they look suspicious walking around with 6 or 7 backpacks? Surely it would be on SOME video from SOME station.

Then it hit me, and im not sure if this is just paranoia or I could be on the right track. I appolagise if somebody has mentioned this possibility before, but i haven't seen it and i've been scouring the boards for a few days now since the attacks.. Anyway, from my understanding the attacks happened relatively early? During rush-hour on the way into work London Time.

Is it possible that all these trains departed from the same depot, and that they were all placed in the trains before they left to pick up their first passangers with timers to count down? Then this opens up the possibility that perhaps they weren't in backpacks at all - and maybe thats why nobody saw it just sitting there with no owner (which mind you, i know i've seen before, people always leave things on trains) but that it was hidden into the seating, under the carrages, hidden in the interior of the walls etc?

This means that it could have been a number of people, including people that work cleaning the trains at night, others that work at the depot that would have access, a compramise of security there or someone from 'higher up' that may not work in the actual depot coming in or having his/her people come in.

What do you guys think? Debunk it if you can..


[edit on 13-7-2005 by ekul08]

youc could possibly get away with it on the underground by breaking the security seals on the seats and placing bombs underneath - no passengers would have noticed during rush hour but you cant hide a bomb on a bus without it being seen

Evidence is against your theory.

Backpacks, bombers looking like backpackers - nothing to arouse suspicision

no it wouldnt, but you can easily place another bag in a backpack and then take that bag out and place it somewhere without having to use the backpack

justyc - you can't expect to leave bags on 3 tube trains in the rush hour and get away with it, they'd have to be carried all the way. Repacking bags on the Tube attracts attention.

I see no evidence for any part of your theory - to know which train would be in service, full and somewhere 'effective' on the network at 8.50 AM the evening before the start of the tube day would be beyond London Underground let alone a bunch of kids from Leeds!

Originally posted by CTID56092
justyc - you can't expect to leave bags on 3 tube trains in the rush hour and get away with it, they'd have to be carried all the way. Repacking bags on the Tube attracts attention.

i was only answering the question of whether it was possible to place them on and hide them before rush hour - yes its possible in the way i described but id say impossible that it happened in this case as....
1. they didnt arrive in london until 8.30, therefore they couldnt have hidden anything before rush hour and certainly would have been noticed placing something under a seat by that time
2. if they were being 'set up' then they would have had to catch an exact tube and be in an exact carriage at an exact time which anyone who knows london rush hour would not have been possible as there's always something holding you up or the carriage is too full to get on, unless they waited on that platform for the particular tube to arrive.

Originally posted by justyc

Originally posted by CTID56092
justyc - you can't expect to leave bags on 3 tube trains in the rush hour and get away with it, they'd have to be carried all the way. Repacking bags on the Tube attracts attention.

i was only answering the question of whether it was possible to place them on and hide them before rush hour - yes its possible in the way i described but id say impossible that it happened in this case as....
1. they didnt arrive in london until 8.30, therefore they couldnt have hidden anything before rush hour and certainly would have been noticed placing something under a seat by that time
2. if they were being 'set up' then they would have had to catch an exact tube and be in an exact carriage at an exact time which anyone who knows london rush hour would not have been possible as there's always something holding you up or the carriage is too full to get on, unless they waited on that platform for the particular tube to arrive.

Who is 'they' that arrived in London at 8.30. If the people that planed it arrived in London at 8:30 from overseas, then how did they get their hands on a bomb at all? in like 20 minutes? Unless they bought them all through customs.. in which case you would just blow up the plane..

Somebody said that the 'evidence' says otherwise. Fair enough but has anybody seen the supposid, "backpacks" the bombs were in? If they were in backpacks I imagine there would be very little left of them to be able to prove thats what they were in.

Personally, i am still of the oppinion that it was possibly conducted by the government themselves, some agency within the government or perhaps the 'shadow government'. I don't buy the AQ link.. at least not yet.

Who is 'they' that arrived in London at 8.30. If the people that planed it arrived in London at 8:30 from overseas, then how did they get their hands on a bomb at all? in like 20 minutes? Unless they bought them all through customs.. in which case you would just blow up the plane

It was released in a press conference by the Metropolitan Police yesterday (12/7/05), that the suspects were from West Yorkshire area (leeds), so anything could've been brought into London. The current lead from the Police is that 4 suspects arrived into Kings Cross station at 8:30 and then from there what happened they're not letting on.

Who is 'they' that arrived in London at 8.30. If the people that planed it arrived in London at 8:30 from overseas, then how did they get their hands on a bomb at all? in like 20 minutes? Unless they bought them all through customs.. in which case you would just blow up the plane..

Im not sure if you have kept up to date with the latest news,
but so far they pretty much no the men who did it, and are more or less sure that all the bombs where suicide bombers,

So yes the men are from UK not from abroad, they traveled from leeds.
The police have already raided there houses.
Heres a link to the latest SUBURBAN SUICIDE BOMBERS

Originally posted by ekul08
Who is 'they' that arrived in London at 8.30. If the people that planed it arrived in London at 8:30 from overseas, then how did they get their hands on a bomb at all? in like 20 minutes? Unless they bought them all through customs.. in which case you would just blow up the plane..

ummm, where have you been for the last 24 hours dude?

Northern Line (the deepest, my line) had lucky escape?

news.bbc.co.uk...

Seems plausible - why go to all the trouble / risk and then place blast bombs on the Circle Line? Unlikely to be devastating (Circle is wide, not deep & open to the skies in places)?

IMO all 4 were destined for the Picc and Northern lines but disruptions. delays & overcrowding made them change plans and they 'wasted' 3/4 bombs.

justyc - not having a go but as I say evidence is against your theory, so far

Word now is there maybe more ready to strike

Originally posted by ekul08


Is it possible that all these trains departed from the same depot, and that they were all placed in the trains before they left to pick up their first passangers with timers to count down?

What do you guys think? Debunk it if you can..


[edit on 13-7-2005 by ekul08]

it's good to think outside the box,
good theory...until photographic evidence has shown the 4 perps w/rucksacks
(its forensics that now must establish the sacks had bombs)

the thing that nixed me on your idea was about- - -
the trains being dispatched for the daily runs from their night-time depot.

i think the underground trains are on something like a 300 hour schedule
that is they run 24-7 for 300 or-so hours, changing drivers at scheduled stops at the humans shift changes. The carriages are cleaned and attended to while in service & running. The carriages are pulled off-line
on a schedule based on the mentioned 300 or 500 or even 1000 hour schedule....
and do not, enmasse, retire after a 16 hr shift at some centrally located roundhouse,
I believe you've got a 'Post Office, Mail Truck' model in mind for the London
Tube (subway) System
....good try tho

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my own scenario, (of course with the added details which you didn't have)
these young men, were on a 'dry run', practice run, to see if they could
pull it off.....but the 'leader' or an outside mentor who might have been
involved in the Iraq insurgence, convinced the lads to engage a test....
but the supposed test - turned out to be real!
The lad that got caught out in the open because the other 'inert' bombs
went off and the Kings Cross depot was sealed...was dazed & confused
and got on a bus, went to the least populated place on the bus so as to fiddle with his 'inert' backpack without too many eyes on him , but the 'inert' bomb went off.

Somewhere back at Leeds or whatever,
the transient, experienced in war, jihadist...who had recently impressed the lads
and engaged the lads to undertake the 'dry run' with 'inert' bombs.
..set out for his next task.

Originally posted by CTID56092

justyc - not having a go but as I say evidence is against your theory, so far

umm, it wasnt my theory - i was just answering the original poster of whether it could be done

St Udio - a decent theory, fits with the known facts so far.

As the profiles emerge (cricket-loving, married with Children, worked with disabled youngsters etc) it seems wierd these guys would intentionally terminate themselves and others.

Originally posted by St Udio
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engaged the lads to undertake the 'dry run' with 'inert' bombs.
.

this can easily be proven IF they bought return tickets on the train and underground because suicide bombers wouldnt need return tickets.

im wondering if any of the 3 from leeds owned their own car and if so, why did they hire a car to take them to luton? also, was the car hired for only 1 day and if so, did the hire car company report it as not being returned

Clearly 4 seperate bombers. I'd wondered why they all occured on trains that went through KX and hypothesised that perhaps 1 bomber was involved. But I'd always struggled with the idea of someone wandering around with 4 backpacks dropping them off on tube trains. If you've ever been on the rush hour tube you'd know that bags cannot be left on the trains in any easy way. Every inch of floorspace is covered in peoples feet, there are no bag holders, there are no gaps under the seats, there simply isn't any easy way to leave a bag on a tube train without someone noticing it. (Particularly piccadilly line trains)

So the only possibility would be bombs left on the trains at the depot, but that theory doesn't hold because the depots for the different tube lines are definitely different. Piccadilly line tubes are about 6'6" high in the middle (internally), I'm 6'4" tall and the only place I can stand upright is in the middle 70cm or so. The circle line tubes have at least 7'6" of head room with a much squarer carriage, this is because the tunnels are much bigger and usually just subsurface. The circle line tubes couldn't pass through piccadilly line tunnels and the piccadilly depots are up North near Arnos Grove. No way they came from the same depot...

godamn pakis and their primitive islam,

London suicide bombers were teenage suicidal terrorists of Pakistani origin

July 13 2005 at 07:37AM

www.iol.co.za...

By Staff Reporter and Sapa-AFP

On a dramatic day in the search for the London bombers, British police raided seven Yorkshire houses, including the homes of three of the four men they suspect carried out the attacks.

Police on Tuesday arrested one man during the raids, uncovered what they said was "dangerous" material and seized two vehicles they believe were linked to Thursday's bombings, which killed at least 52 people and injured 700.

One vehicle was found in a Luton car park and another was taken during a police raid on a home belonging to a South African woman, who has been living in Leeds' Dewsbury area for more than 20 years.

The woman, whose name is known to The Star, originally hails from Germiston and was married to a British national who died a few years ago.

Yusuf Abramjee, the head of news and talk programming for Primedia Broadcasting, was at the scene while police searched the South African woman's home and told The Star that the police's investigation was believed to centre around either the woman's son or son-in-law, both of whom lived with her but were not home when the police raided the house.

A Dewsbury resident told The Star that the South African woman - whose home was cordoned off by police for more than eight hours - was a "strong community worker".

"She does a lot of work with schools and old-age homes in the area... She went to a garden party hosted by Queen Elizabeth in recognition of her community work," said the man, who did not want to be identified.

Police late on Tuesday night also searched another home a few streets away, which the woman's son-in-law is also believed to have occupied at one stage.

Metropolitan Police Commissioner Ian Blair said the series of searches in Yorkshire were "directly connected to the outrages on Thursday".

On a day of high drama in the city of Leeds, army experts had earlier set off a controlled explosion outside one of the houses in order to give the police access.

Detectives said the searches were a "significant" part of their probe into the London attacks, which police believe were carried out by four suicide bombers.

Police uncovered some dangerous "material" while carrying out the search at several locations in West Yorkshire, said Peter Clarke, head of the Metropolitan Police anti-terrorist squad.

"Some material has been found which has caused the West Yorkshire police to take measures to ensure there is no risk to the public," he said.

Clarke confirmed that a man was arrested during the raids. He was to be brought to London for questioning.

About 500 people were evacuated from the surrounding streets and a large area of the rundown, racially mixed area of Leeds was cordoned off.

Police said they were trying to establish whether four men had blown themselves up in last week's explosions, which could be the first suicide attacks in Britain.

"The investigation quite early led us to have concerns about the movements and activities of four men, three of whom came from the West Yorkshire area," Clarke said.

"We are trying to establish their movements in the run-up to last week's attacks and specifically to establish whether they all died in the explosions."

Clarke said police found personal documents with the names of three suspects close to the scene of three of the blasts, which bear the hallmark of al-Qaeda-style militants.

It was "very likely" that one suspect died in one of the blasts, at Aldgate Underground station, Clarke said.

Police believe the four men had travelled to London from West Yorkshire on the day of the blasts and had been captured on closed-circuit television footage at King's Cross station shortly before 8.30am.

Three bombs exploded within 50 seconds of each other at 8.50am on subway trains that had all passed through King's Cross. A fourth exploded 57 minutes later on a bus not far away.

The raids came as frustration mounted at what many grieving relatives feel is slow progress in formally identifying the bombing victims.

Leeds has a Muslim population of around 30 000 - one of the largest in Britain. The area's residents were shocked by Tuesday's raids and fear an anti-Muslim backlash.

i think evryone is upto date on all the ''realsed info'' but incase here go's:
there were four seperate bombs with four seperate bombers carrying them, all bar one have been identified and named.
the one that has yet not been named is the scum who blew himself and others up at russel sq station.
all four scum were from the west yorks area around leeds and burley, there has been one arrest in london? details unknown
there is one scum in custody at high security Paddington grn police station this arrest was made in leeds yesterday.
reports have said that the house raided in burley was not being used as a home but being used as an operation center (where additional info has been found)
Leeds to London has a mainline train (overground) that go's direct into kings x
Luton to london has the thameslink line going through kings x to Brighton on the coast of England
The scum WERE caught on cctv at Kings X and were spotted getting out of a car (the one that was taken yesterday) from luton station,by a woman who noticed it still there days after and alerted police.
the police have said that all four bombers were killed with their bombs....SUICIED BOMBERS, not four accidents

My own personal opinion is prior to the bombings (bearing in mind i travel on the tube everyday to work) is that ...this was a poorly executed operation (i have said this before in a previous post) i would say that in the rush hour (peak time) when you are standing up between the doors squashed in like sardines the last thing you want is too have someones ruksack banging agaist your head so most (not all) people tend to hold them by their side or put them in between their legs , bearing in mind that a lot of stops on the underground are around 4/5 mins between stations
it would be quiet easy for someone to have got off and left their bag on the floor maybe unoticed?
Now this wouldnt be the case as people are aware of things like again coz of what these scum done.
anyway thats just my 10 penny worth ..for whats its worth?

I don't know about how easy that would be. I suspect someone would tell you that you'd left your bag behind, people do tend to be friendly like that. If you see someone leave their mobile phone behind on the seat it's pretty normal for one of the other passengers to tell them that they've left their phone behind. I reckon the risk of someone saying, "oh, is this your bag?" would be fairly high... again, just my opinion.

I think you're right about the amateur nature of things. Although that said, the Piccadilly line was shut at 8:30AM due to power surges, and the Northern Line was apparently shut when the 4th bomber tried to get on it. I do agree with the points about hitting deep tunnels versus subsurface though. The former is definitely going to be more devestating, and it doesn't take much intelligence to work that out. Fortunately it looks like this lot of scum weren't that bright...