Now this may sound a little weird but i have an idea....

24h 37m 22.663s in terms of Earth hours, Although we call them sols here

Time Keeping on Mars

To help clarify, here is a basic flowchart of goverenmental heirarchy.


King: House Vilmur
Symbol: The Greyhound
Responsibilities: Ultimatley responsible for the safety, health and prosperity of all Martian citizens. The King will have all military power directly under his command, or the command of his minister. The King is also duty bound to make sure all Great Houses uphold their responsibilities. In short the King is CEO and CFO of Mars.


Ministers: Appointed by The King. Sort of like advisors and a cabinet.
ex- Zanzibar (of House Zanzibar?) Is the Minister of Defence, he will plan and advise on all military issues.


The Great Houses: Each District of Mars will be assigned to a Great House. Think of the heads of the Great Houses as Regional Directors. They are responsible for their districts and and the people living there. They will also be responsible for industry, policing and legal issues.


The Council: (Proposed) An elected body of citizens of each district. Will act as a congress or parliament.


Directorships: As stated before, Cydonia and the Northern Polar region will controlled by a director. The directorships will run for three years, and will be granted to those who develop the best 3 year plan for each reason.

Police/ Military Forces: The actual military will be controlled at the planetary level. Each district will be allowed to form a militia for civil defence and control.
Under no circumstances will one district be allowed to use its forces against another!

Warfare between houses is forbidden, should a conflict arise it will be handled in the following manor(s):
1- Declaration of Vendetta A public statement of one houses dislike for the other and why.

The King will then rule on what method of remedy can be used.
A- Duel The champions of the two houses will face eachother in a duel. It can be a duel to first blood or death depending on the severity of the claims.
B-Forfeiture The offending great house may lose its holdings and stature.

Anyone out there interested in designing the martian flag?

Also would anyone like to be the first herald and start organizing the great houses, symbols and holdings?

Proposal for Amazonis, governed by the House Of Belgica.

Amazonis: Region reserved for off-planet commerce and location of space port in contact with the Phobos-security facility.

- NO flights of commercial space craft shall be allowed to land here.
- All crafts must pass safety inspection (both craft and people on board) at Phobos.
- Martian military (and governmental) crafts may land at any time on availeble ports.

Trading zones are located in domes around the port. This is to ensure safety. Different industries are separated from each other to counter-act espionage. Cameras and identification by iris/fingerprints are securitymeans to uphold this. Personal carying tazers roam hallways and places where people gather. This is due to the large qauntity's of foreigners in the trading zone. (All those earth-people wanting to get their hands on Martian superior technologie.) Hotels, living spaces for personel, sportaccomodation,... are located underground. This is to make controling the climate (temperature, humidity, air qaulity) easier.

Proposal will be adjusted when needed.

[edit on 2-9-2005 by CrazyOrange]

Originally posted by CrazyOrange
Proposal for Amazonis, governed by the House Of Belgica.

Amazonis: Region reserved for off-planet commerce and location of space port in contact with the Phobos-security facility.

- NO flights of commercial space craft shall be allowed to land here.
- All crafts must pass safety inspection (both craft and people on board) at Phobos.
- Martian military (and governmental) crafts may land at any time on availeble ports.

Trading zones are located in domes around the port. This is to ensure safety. Different industries are separated from each other to counter-act espionage. Cameras and identification by iris/fingerprints are securitymeans to uphold this. Personal carying tazers roam hallways and places where people gather. This is due to the large qauntity's of foreigners in the trading zone. (All those earth-people wanting to get their hands on Martian superior technologie.) Hotels, living spaces for personel, sportaccomodation,... are located underground. This is to make controling the climate (temperature, humidity, air qaulity) easier.

Proposal will be adjusted when needed.

[edit on 2-9-2005 by CrazyOrange]

Some of these pionts, many of them, conflict with my juristiction as Minister of Interplanetary Commerce.

Originally posted by Lord Vilmur
Anyone out there interested in designing the martian flag?

Also would anyone like to be the first herald and start organizing the great houses, symbols and holdings?

This is my recommendation for the planet's flag. I will have the MIC's flag shrotly. Peace...

Originally posted by Frosty
Some of these pionts, many of them, conflict with my juristiction as Minister of Interplanetary Commerce.

I do not see it this way. You have jurisdiction over Commerce. I simply provide a place were merchants can come to trade. How they trade, what they trade, if they are allowed to trade ... that is up to you.

Hello,
I would very much like to become minister of Exploration: The establishment of colonies on rearby moons and planets.

For this task I request six exploration craft and two battleships, with your permission Zanzibar, and a workforce of 20,000 slave labourers and a further 5,000 skilled workers and military personel.

I also wish to establish the House Of Jensy which shall operate as a governing body over 51% of the colonies (the other 49% I will offer to private investment). I do not wish to have any territory on Mars itself other than Administration for the colonies in the Martian Capital.

That's an awfully big labour force... which reminds me, I was thinking, we ought to get to work on genetically engineering hordes of mindless slaves.

House Pavonis is more than willing to host the Gene Vats, if we must... we can put them in over there next to the lettuce gardens.

Originally posted by The Parallelogram
That's an awfully big labour force... which reminds me, I was thinking, we ought to get to work on genetically engineering hordes of mindless slaves.

House Pavonis is more than willing to host the Gene Vats, if we must... we can put them in over there next to the lettuce gardens.

This reminds me, the MIC will never ratify slave labour to be transported within its juristiction nor materials related to the direct cultivation or harvest of said slaves. The punishment for such actions will be 40 years prison minimum with no bail.

We need a constitution. Who here is willing to become the lead record keeper, drafter, signer, debater? Who is going to take the federalist or the anti-federalist position?

I propose that we modify bits and pieces of various existing constitutions to save time and energy.

The Pavonis Coalition for the Advancement of Mankind would like to offer for public trade and consumption on the free markets of Mars our newest and most remarkably useful advancement: the Cybernetically Enhanced Lobotomized Drone. Ladies and gentlemen, meet the CELD Mark I.

(cue infomercial music)

Effective and affordable, the CELD is engineered from pre-conception into a durable, powerful, and utterly inhuman employee in the field of manual labor. Wholly devoid of emotion, free will, and the ability to experience fatigue, these top-shelf units are perfect for all manner of duties from construction to agriculture to front-line warfare.

The human components of each CELD unit are cloned from the original genetic material of the president of the PCAM, so you can sleep comfortably at night thanks to our perfectly reasonable assertion that no unwilling participants are involved. The CELD is fully integrated with the PCAM's proprietary digital coding environment, allowing for the use a wide range of off-the-shelf and custom-produced programming modules and applications. With a PCAM mainframe and transponder apparatus (available for a very reasonable investment), a single technician can monitor, control, and update the programming of up to ten thousand CELD units in real-time; affordable and effective security measures see to it that unwanted outside interference is almost* impossible.

With an individual lifespan of over twenty years and an optimal work-to-rest ratio of 7:1 hours, the CELD is the genetically modified cyborg slave of choice for the modern, on-the-go Martian overlord. Affordability, compliance, and versatility are paramount, and your satisfaction** is guaranteed***.

To negotiate the purchase of your legion of unstoppable machine-men, simply send a courier or telepathic summons to:

ATTN: Cybernetic Slaves
Lord High Retainer of the Clone-Patriarch of Pavonis
Department of Abominations before Man and God
1 Sunset Blvd.
The Red Waste, Mars

[edit on 11-9-2005 by The Parallelogram]

I enjoyed the beginning of this thread and thought that it could possible lead to real viable input into fabricating the basic steps towards really setting some people on another planet.

However, it appears that social engineering and government seems to be the topic of priority. Dont worry about the details, lets worry about being at the top and let everyone else worry about it.

We cant even run our own planet much less try to set up a more perfect governemt on another.

Think of the new planet as Maslows theory of needs. Youve got to have all basics down before you can do the higher up stuff. That means no government for a long time. It means experts within their fields and and accountability at that. There would be board meetings to assess need versus demand and technologies that need to be incorporated or brought.

Mars is an interesting place. The core of mars supposedly is no longer molten. If thats the case, then their is no field around the planet, and possibly no protection from radiation. So no matter what planet we choose, there are a couple factors that are a must. First is water. Second is a good power source.

Fusion is just what we need. The other is a portable self contained work station habitat. If we can built portable work station habitats and land them on mars, but are only able to walk on mars for limited amounts of time becasue there is no ideal atmosphere, then the real purpose for the planets is merely real estate and resources.

Basing it off of that, it makes more sense just to build space cities and uses the planets for the resources to build them. How would life be, living in a structure in space, or on a planet where you cant walk around.

It sounds like building that atmosphere, and protecting people from radiation is the first order of the day.

Suddenly earth sounds like an amazing place doenst it?

Peace

Originally posted by HIFIGUY
I enjoyed the beginning of this thread and thought that it could possible lead to real viable input into fabricating the basic steps towards really setting some people on another planet.

However, it appears that social engineering and government seems to be the topic of priority. Dont worry about the details, lets worry about being at the top and let everyone else worry about it.

We cant even run our own planet much less try to set up a more perfect governemt on another.

Think of the new planet as Maslows theory of needs. Youve got to have all basics down before you can do the higher up stuff. That means no government for a long time. It means experts within their fields and and accountability at that. There would be board meetings to assess need versus demand and technologies that need to be incorporated or brought.

Mars is an interesting place. The core of mars supposedly is no longer molten. If thats the case, then their is no field around the planet, and possibly no protection from radiation. So no matter what planet we choose, there are a couple factors that are a must. First is water. Second is a good power source.

Fusion is just what we need. The other is a portable self contained work station habitat. If we can built portable work station habitats and land them on mars, but are only able to walk on mars for limited amounts of time becasue there is no ideal atmosphere, then the real purpose for the planets is merely real estate and resources.

Basing it off of that, it makes more sense just to build space cities and uses the planets for the resources to build them. How would life be, living in a structure in space, or on a planet where you cant walk around.

It sounds like building that atmosphere, and protecting people from radiation is the first order of the day.

Suddenly earth sounds like an amazing place doenst it?

Peace

I actually agree with many of your points, but...
I notice that this is the first time you chimed in. On no fewer than two ocasions have i asked for a more informative idea of how the travel program could work. The people who are partiicipating in this conversation are the ones directing it. If you would like to add a more constructive idea at any point and not get involved in the political arena, please do. I actually look forward to hearing from people with a more technical interest.

A stable government with a constitution is a great demand for this new colony. We have the ability to rid our economy, as well, of any socialist impurities and preach a true form of laissez-faire. We can do right what our forefathers were never able to do whether it was do to society, their own greed or a supposed perceived threat to the economy.

I say we outlaw all taxes, and instead install a duty system sanctioned by the legislative branch and regulated by the MIC (that'd be me). As duties are merely bills pertaining to the importation of cargo across an international borderline, this borderline being a soon to be defined section of the Martian atmosphere, it may become necessary to protect certain sectors of the Martian economy by installing heavier duties on certain imports.


We must also establish a central bank, though not backed by a Martian natural resource of value (as there seem to be none). Instead this bank will be backed by the good will of the people of Mars and the government which will sanction such an entity to run by certain agencies in order to provide a kind of revenue backing. These agencies will include the Ministry of Interplanetary Commerce and the Ministry of Planetary Commerce (which I am now head of). Since this bank will be backed by revenues generated from these two agencies, it is very necessary for myself to have the power to appoint governors and chairman of the board of governors. Any takers?

[edit on 13-9-2005 by Frosty]

[edit on 13-9-2005 by Frosty]

Originally posted by Lord Vilmur
I actually agree with many of your points, but...
I notice that this is the first time you chimed in. On no fewer than two ocasions have i asked for a more informative idea of how the travel program could work. The people who are partiicipating in this conversation are the ones directing it. If you would like to add a more constructive idea at any point and not get involved in the political arena, please do. I actually look forward to hearing from people with a more technical interest.

I've also noticed that you've reqested for this information, maybe given a few links, but never really spoke about anything in much detail regarding anything other than you being king.

Originally posted by phixion

Originally posted by Lord Vilmur
I actually agree with many of your points, but...
I notice that this is the first time you chimed in. On no fewer than two ocasions have i asked for a more informative idea of how the travel program could work. The people who are partiicipating in this conversation are the ones directing it. If you would like to add a more constructive idea at any point and not get involved in the political arena, please do. I actually look forward to hearing from people with a more technical interest.

I've also noticed that you've reqested for this information, maybe given a few links, but never really spoke about anything in much detail regarding anything other than you being king.

Well screw me and my ideas then lol. please shut down this thread i had no idea it would upset so many people.

Jeez phixion, if you don't like Vilmur's thread then go start your own! He opened up this nice new Martian playground for us to mess about in, and it's his business if he wants to declare himself King.

Proposal for Amazonis, governed by the House Of Belgica.

Amazonis: Region reserved for off-planet commerce and location of a space port in contact with the Phobos-security facility.

- NO flights of commercial space craft shall be allowed to land here. Goods and people will be shipped by shuttles between Amazonis and Phobos.
- All crafts must pass safety inspection (both craft and people on board) at Phobos.
- Martian military (and governmental) crafts may land at any time on available ports.

Trading zones are located in domes around the port. This is to ensure safety. Different industries are separated from each other to counter-act espionage. Cameras and identification by iris/fingerprints are securitymeans to uphold this. Personal carying tazers roam hallways and places where people gather. This is due to the large qauntity's of foreigners in the trading zone. (All those earth-people wanting to get their hands on Martian superior technologie.)

Hotels, living spaces for personel, sportaccomodation,... are located underground. This is to make controling the climate (temperature, humidity, air qaulity) easier. It will also provide natural shelter against radiation.

There is also infrastructure for the ministeries of Planetary and Interplanetary Commerce. This is merely a place from where they can control the Amazonis-Trade Zone.

Proposal will be adjusted and reposted when needed.

[edit on 14-9-2005 by CrazyOrange]

[edit on 14-9-2005 by CrazyOrange]

As far as space propulsion is concerned: nuclear and laser.


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