Hitlers Rise To Power compared to Our Current President

Hitler came up waging wars that apparently the people thought were justful and had a meaning behind it.

Same with us, this war on terrorism, it seems justful after 9.11(a possible terrorism hoax).

Anyways, GB came out and spoke and didnt quit, and eventually got a lot of people beside him(even tho he's not too bright).


Everyone knows what we're doing is wrong, but WHO CAN STOP THE US?

No one

Watch the US get too powerful and be the reason that aliens/and or Jesus come to Earth in 2013




Did the ancient Skull n Bones try to take over the world with Hitler and fail? Now it Georges turn to try...

Although Bush may be hot headed,I don't really see the comparison between him and Hitler.Hilter was trying to wipe out the Jews.I don't think Bush is guilty of ethnic cleansing or genocide.Bush is more like a puppet for big oil and old money.

Actually, the parallel of their rise to power is not affected by what we believe to be their targets, btw it is not until 1942 that Hitler developed the idea of actually killing the jews that refused to depart from Europe, so one could argue that Hitler until 1942 was as "well-intentioned" as Bush and Sharon are today:

He was "just" leading preemptive wars, wars for the liberation of fellow germans, and enacting religion-based surveillance and deportation ("necessary for the security of the german nation") after the arson of the german parliament, blamed on jewish terrorists.

"Rise to Power" is presumably the topic? Well Hitler came from nowhere, founded his own party, wasn't a German, presided over a period of economic growth, was a decorated war-veteran, wrote a book, rose in an impoverished and defeated nation (which the USA probably is but no one's spotted it) and wasn't afraid to take on bigger stronger nations: going for France, Britain and Russia at once is no Afghanistan.
Apart from that they're obviously identical.
Non-thread, times are desperate:let the drivel flow.

Hitler is to Bush

as The Joker is to Mr Magoo.



Gladius

BTW I usually refer to Bush as 'president' to distinguish him from a real President.

[Edited on 16-8-2003 by MaskedAvatar]

ok, Hitler had more guts than Bush, but the methodology is the same, the Bush administration plays the terror card in exactly the same fashion as Sharon or Hitler.

Originally posted by MaskedAvatar
Hitler is to Bush

as The Joker is to Mr Magoo.



Gladius

BTW I usually refer to Bush as 'president' to distinguish him from a real President.

[Edited on 16-8-2003 by MaskedAvatar]

Yeah.. Daddy Bush was much better, he even knew what diplomacy ment.. Junior however..

Yeah, Bush is nothing liek Hitler. Hitler had a 97% approval rate. and unlike Hitler, Bush could care less about the state of his national welfare, the influence of foreigners, ect, as long as he stays rich and powerful.

Moku makes an interesting point: Hitlers orginal intention was not to wipe out Jews, but to deport them all. Thier m=biggest attempt was the madagascar plan: to ship all the Jews from newly conquered countries and Germany to the Island of madagascar, to get them out of thier hair. He even tried the Zion plan: shipping the jew out of Europe and back to Israel, which, ironically, got him loads of suppoort for the Zionists. Ultimately, though, as the war dredged on, the supply lines got cut, and they were getting increasing numbers of jews that they didnt know what to do with, ehnce, the name :the FINAL solution, evcause ultimately, after many other ideas, that was the last one they came up with, and we learned the.......results, and we have plenty of survivors to tell us just how close he came to success.

On paper, tho, sadly, hitler was a better model of a leader than Bush. Hitler came from humble mystery origins, Bush came from a well knwon and welathy familiy with a shady background. hitler was a vegetarian and animal lover who seldom drank but the occasional beer: Bush was a spoiled rich cokehead. Hitler was a decorated war hero, Bush a draft dodging deserter. hitler was an idealist who truly believed hsi twisted plans would better his country and regain thier strength, Bush cares only about money, selling America to whoever has the funds, and is a skull and cross bones member. Hitler brought his country from the brink of chaos and destruction, Bush is driving it further down into the ground.

It is pretty damn scary when history's most infamous and evil villan has a better track record and credentials than the man who is at the helm of the American warship. Scary indeed.

And I am beginning to wonder, what will Bush's "final solution" be?

Originally posted by Gladius
Hitler came up waging wars that apparently the people thought were justful and had a meaning behind it.

Same with us, this war on terrorism, it seems justful after 9.11(a possible terrorism hoax).

Anyways, GB came out and spoke and didnt quit, and eventually got a lot of people beside him(even tho he's not too bright).


Everyone knows what we're doing is wrong, but WHO CAN STOP THE US?

No one

Watch the US get too powerful and be the reason that aliens/and or Jesus come to Earth in 2013




Did the ancient Skull n Bones try to take over the world with Hitler and fail? Now it Georges turn to try...

The premise of your position is based on many assumptions, such as he is not too bright (no evidence of this, although there is plenty of evidence otherwise), that the war on terror is a fabricated war, and that the German political system and the U.S.'s is similar. You also assume that what the U.S. is doing is wrong, and that everyone knows this fact.

As I noted, Thomas: the two are obviously identical! Now, does anyone see Ari as Dr Goebbels, or Cheney as Himmler ( mind you...come to think of it...)

Incidentally, which of the two would you imagine was the more honest, personally?

Third reich obviously was more honest. They made thier agenda of Aryan Supremecy, European domiantion, and enslavement of "subhumans" pretty clear. Bush, whose agenda is world domination, American supremecy, and capitalist enslavement, claims hes doing ti to bring freedom prosperity, and happiness for the whole world.

The Rise of the Fourth Reich?
by (Author Unknown)

Everyone likes to say, "Hitler did this", and, "Hitler did that". But the truth is Hitler did very little. He was a world class tyrant, but the evil actually done by the Third Reich, from the death camps to WW2 was all done by German citizens who were afraid to question if what they were told by their government was the truth or not, and who because they did not want to admit to themselves that they were afraid to question the government, refused to see the truth behind the Reichstag Fire, refused to see the invasion by Poland was a staged fake, and followed Hitler into national disaster.

The German people of the late 1930s imagined themselves to be brave. They saw themselves as the heroic Germans depicted by the Wagnerian Operas, the descendants of the fierce Germanic warriors who had hunted wild boar with nothing but spears and who had defeated three of Rome's mightiest legions in the Tuetenberg Forest.

But in truth, by the 1930s, the German people had become civilized and tamed, culturally obsessed with fine details in both science and society. Their self-image of bravery was both salve and slavery. Germans were required to behave as if they were brave, even when they were not.

It's easy to look back and realize what a jerk Hitler was. But at the time, Hitler looked pretty good to the German people, with the help of the media. He was TIME Magazine's Man Of The Year in 1938. The German people assumed they were safe from a tyrant. They lived in a Republic, after all, with strict laws regarding what the government could and more importantly could not do. Their leader was a devoutly religious man, and had even sung with the boy's choir of a monastery in his youth.

The reality was that the German people, as individuals, had lost their courage. The German government preferred it that way as a fearful people are easier to rule than a courageous one. But the German people didn't wish to lose their self-image of courage. So, when confronted with a situation demanding individual courage, in the form of a government gone wrong, the German people simply pretended that the situation did not exist. And in that simple self-deception lay the ruin of an entire nation and the coming of the second World War.

When the Reichstag burned down, most Germans simply refused to believe suggestions that the fire had been staged by Hitler himself. They were afraid to. But so trapped were the Germans by their belief in their own bravery that they willed themselves to be blind to the evidence before their eyes, so that they could nod in agreement with Der Fuhrer while still imagining themselves to have courage, even as they avoided the one situation which most required real courage; to stand up to Hitler's lies and deceptions.

When Hitler requested temporary extraordinary powers, powers specifically banned under German law, but powers Hitler claimed he needed to have to deal with the "terrorists", the German people, having already sold their souls to their self-delusions, agreed. The temporary powers were conferred, and once conferred lasted until Germany itself was destroyed.

When Hitler staged a phony invasion from Poland, the vast majority of the German people, their own self-image dependant on continuing blindness to Hitler's deceptions, did not question why Poland would have done something so stupid, and found themselves in a war.

But Hitler knew he ruled a nation of cowards, and knew he had to spend the money to make the new war something cowards could fight and win. He decorated his troops with regalia to make them proud of themselves, further trapping them in their self-image. Hitler copied the parade regalia of ancient Rome, to remind the Germans of the defeat of the legions at the Tuetenberg Forest. Talismans were added from orthodox religions and the occult to fill the soldiers with delusions of mystical strengths and an afterlife if they fell in battle. Finally, knowing that it takes courage to kill the enemy face to face, Hitler spent vast sums of money on his wonder weapons, airplanes, submarines, ultra-long range artillery, the world's first cruise missile and the world's first guided missile, weapons that could be used to kill at a distance, so that those doing the killing need not have to face the reality of what they were doing.

The German people were lured into WW2 not because they were brave, but because they were cowards who wanted to be seen as brave, and found that shooting long range weapons at people they could not see took less courage than standing up to Hitler. Sent into battle by that false image of courage, the Germans were dependent on their wonder-weapons. When the wonder-weapons stopped working, the Germans lost the war.

I remember as a child listening to the stories of WW2 from my grandfather and my uncles who had served in Europe. I wondered how the German people could have been so stupid as to have ever elected Hitler dog catcher, let alone leader of the nation. Such is the clarity of historical hindsight. And with that clarity, I see the exact same mechanism that Hitler used at work here in this nation.

The American people imagine themselves to be brave. They see themselves as the heroic Americans depicted by Western Movies, the descendants of the fierce patriot warriors who had tamed the frontier and defeated the might of the British Empire.

But in truth, by the dawn of the third millennium, the American people have become civilized and tamed, culturally obsessed with fine details in both science and society. Their self-image of bravery is both salve and slavery. Americans are required to behave as if they are brave, even when they are not.

The American people assume they are safe. They live in a Republic, after all, with strict laws regarding what the government can and more importantly cannot do. Their leader is a devoutly religious man.

The reality is that the American people, as individuals, have lost their courage. The government prefers it that way as a fearful people are easier to rule than a courageous one. But Americans don't wish to lose their self-image of courage. So, when confronted with a situation demanding courage, in the form of a government gone wrong, the American people simply pretend that the situation does not exist.

When the World Trade Towers collapsed, most Americans simply refused to believe suggestions that the attacks had been staged by parties working for the US Government itself. Americans were afraid to, even as news reports surfaced proving that the US Government had announced plans for the invasion of Afghanistan early in the year, plans into which the attacks on the World Trade Towers which angered the American people into support of the already-planned war fit entirely too conveniently. But so trapped are Americans by their belief in their own bravery that they will themselves to be blind to the evidence before their eyes, so that they can nod in agreement with the government while still imagining themselves to have courage, even as they avoid the one situation which most requires real courage; to stand up to the government's lies and deceptions. The vast majority of the American people, their own self-image dependant on continuing blindness to the government's deceptions, never question why Afghanistan would have done something so stupid as to attack the United States, and as a result, Americans find themselves in a war.

Now the US Government has requested temporary extraordinary powers, powers specifically banned under Constitutional law, but powers the government is claiming they need to have to deal with the "terrorists". The American people, having already sold their souls to their self-delusions, are agreeing. The temporary powers recently conferred will be no more temporary in America than they were in Germany.

The US Government knows they rule a nation of cowards. The government has had to spend the money to make the new war something cowards can fight. The government has decorated the troops with regalia to make them proud of themselves, further trapping them in their self-image. Talismans are added from orthodox religions and the occult to fill the soldiers with delusions of mystical strengths and an afterlife if they fall in battle. Finally, knowing that it takes courage to kill the enemy face to face, the United States government has spent vast sums of money on wonder weapons, airplanes, submarines, ultra-long range artillery, cruise missiles, and guided missiles, weapons that kill at a distance, so that those doing the killing need not have to face the reality of what they are doing.

As I mentioned above, Hitler was TIME Magazine's Man Of The Year in 1938. Stalin was TIME Magazine's Man Of The Year for 1939 and 1942. Both of these men, and many others also celebrated by the media, were unimaginable monsters. The lesson from these facts is that it isn't easy to spot a genocidal tyrant when you live with one, especially one whom the press supports and promotes. Tyrants become obvious only when looking back, after what they have done becomes known. The German people did not stand up to Hitler because their media betrayed them, just as the American media is betraying the American people by willingly, voluntarily, even proudly, abandoning its traditional role as watchdog against government abuse.

It is the very nature of power that it attracts the sort of people who should not have it. The United States, as the world's last superpower, is a prize that attracts men and women willing to do absolutely anything to win that power, and hence are also willing to do absolutely anything with that power once they have it. If one thinks about it long enough, one will realize that all tyrants, past and most especially present, MUST use deception on their population to initiate a war. No citizen of a modern industrialized nation will send their children off to die in a war to grab another nation's resources and assets, yet resources and assets are what all wars are fought over. The nation that wishes to initiate a war of conquest must create the illusion of an attack or a threat to start a war, and must always give their population of cowards an excuse never to question that carefully crafted illusion.

It is naive, not to mention racist to assume that tyrants appear only in other nations and that somehow America is immune simply because we're Americans. America has escaped the clutches of a dictatorship thus far only through the efforts of those citizens who, unlike the Germans of the 1930s, have the moral courage to stand up and point out where the government is lying to the people. And unless more Americans are willing to have that kind of individual courage, then future generations may well look back on the American people with the same harshness of judgment with which we look back on the 1930s Germans.

Wow, Killilluminati........that post was awesome. The best Ive red in a long time! Jesus, you should send that into a newpaper!

But wouldn't you say that there is a huge difference in world domination and being the world's strongest leader?Just because we are the strongest country in the world does not mean were are the most evil.Every leader in the world would kill or die(or at least let their people die)to have what we have.Why should we not protect it and our way of life.
These are my opinions,and I am open to any evidence or truth that would show me otherwise.But comparing our President to Hitler is not the way to sway sensible people.

[Edited on 16-8-2003 by Daz3d-n-Confus3d]

Its hardly a bad idea to show paralels between Hitler and Bush. Both have different agendas, but the results are the same. Destruction.

Germany wasnt evil. hitler was, but his country was just sheeple following thier shepherd because he provided something thier former masters could not: National pride, economic recovery, and the sense of security. But most of these were illusions, because security obviously was false, the economic recovery of germany came from war mobilization and industry, and thier nationalism was a perversion of traditional German pride.

But, as has been pointed out, they were tamed, complacent, jsut like America: tame, complacent. Follow Bush, he knows best. Hell keep us safe from terrorism, give us national pride, and make us think were prosperous, even though the economy is still sick, were still in massive debt, and becoming more and more feared and distrusted by the world, losing friends, ect.

It doesnt make America an evil nation, just sheeple being led by an evil shepherd.

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Third reich obviously was more honest. They made thier agenda of Aryan Supremecy, European domiantion, and enslavement of "subhumans" pretty clear. Bush, whose agenda is world domination, American supremecy, and capitalist enslavement, claims hes doing ti to bring freedom prosperity, and happiness for the whole world.

Well said! Truht usually is.. And these are the reasons why i respect the Nazis and disrespect the Bush Jr.

People who think that Hitler's intention was not to wipe out the Jews are on another plane of reality.
They probably haven't even bothered to read Mein Kampf where Hitler portrayed his deep hatred of Jews for all but the totally ignorant to see.

The Final Solution was engineered between 1933 and 1941.
Mass genocide on the scale that the Nazis undertook requires long term planning.

As far back as 1919, Hitler had declared that "The final goal must be the removal of all Jews."
People here claim Hitler was clever yet they believe that he was ignorant enough to know that the total deportation of Jews was feasible? Who would take them? Other countries? No. Most wanted no truck with the Jews and viewed them as a problem themselves.The Madagascar Plan was a smoke screen. It wasn't proposed until 1940 - 21 years after Hitler had avowed to remove every Jew in Germany.
Hitler knew that extermination was the only way he could rid Germany of the Jews long before the deportations to the ghettoes began.

So unless Bush has a long term plan to kill off a whole race - a plan that has been in the works for 20 years - the comparison is odious

Yeah, really illuminating post, Kill. We are to automatically believe that an attack against us is not the work of those who despise us, and have repeatedly told us that they are declaring war on us, but is the work of an inside group.

We are to allow ourselves to be picked apart by the predators who wish to mangle us rather than defend ourselves and it turn out we were used to further the agenda of the international bankers and global rich guys.

Oh, but remember, we are to be the only ones questioned, everybody else may do want they want. And, when you are going to do what you want, ensure that you don't bother using your planes and bombs, use ours. That way you keep your own filthy hands hidden and you can bitch about out DU rounds and the like afterward.

So unless Bush has a long term plan to kill off a whole race - a plan that has been in the works for 20 years - the comparison is odious

What were AIDS and SARS then?

Kill off a whole race? No. But then again, I disagree Hitler had planned massive deathcamps. Mein Kampf said nothing about deathcamps, simply the removal of Jews from Europe, which he had planned to take over long before.

I highly doubt Madagascar was a smokescreen, since he did indeed work with Zionists about the possibility of deporting Jews to israel, creation of Jewish State, ect. Of course, no one in the world elsewhere would take them, no one ever wants refugees, even the US wouldnt take them.

Bush and Hitlers plans are similar: Domination fo thier spheres, taking over, forcing a police state at home. Germans had to carry around national ID papers. Our govornment is pushing national ID cards. Bush and his Homeland Security Admin sound an awful lot like Gestapo. All the new security checkpoints here and there.

Since, the Germans faked thier own Chancellory bombings and instigated the war with Poland, the Idea of Bush and 9/11 still parralels it somewhat. And, both Bush and Hitler courted Zionists, for different reasons. Bush family did business with the Nazis, its not like hes that far removed from them.

Oh, and Both hitler and Bush believed in divine destiny and crap. Hitler believed he was sent by god to save Germany, Bush believes god is talking to him and sending him on a mission.

Both hear little voices in thier heads.