Federal Reserve makes US Citizens slaves in 2012?

How many people owe more money than they have assetts to cover? How many businesses? What about our national debt? Banks usually auction off the assetts for as much as they can get in an attempt to recoup on failed debt don't they? Well, when it comes to international debt, it seems that the people are also assetts? Will the bank that inherits our international debt, also inherit all of our personal and business debt also? Thus, you also become an assett for your personal debt, and auctioned off also.

So, the US, her lands, and her physical assetts are auctioned off. as well as any business, or personal property. Let's say that this business owner over here owes $500,000 still after all is said and done, so, he is then put into service running what was once his company for as long as it takes to make up that $500,000, but of course the company no longer belongs to him, so he no longer enjoys the profits that the company made for him, just what the new owner decides to pay him. and well, of course, the company might just decide to sell him to someone else if he balks too much. Maybe the company has 80 employees...of which only 20 managed to get out of this in the black. those 20 would still retain their right to negotiate their salary, find more pleasing employment, move across the country, ect. The employer would have the option to keep the remaining 60 as employers by buying them (their cost would just be added to what he owes), or he could decide only to keep 30 of them and look for a better deal to replenish his workforce. But, these employees would have less power to negotiate a wage, weather they leave to work at another company is no longer their choice, and well, if the employer thinks he can save some money in wages by having living quarters at the plant (does wonders in conserving energy) and feed them cafeteria style, well, that's okay also.

Those who actually luck out and manage to escape free, well, sorry, but there is still the tax that is taken from all the money generated to pay that national debt and companies being forced to pay theirs, as well as the landlords charging higher rents, food producers charging more, ect... remaining free might be a problem.

And, alas, the problem of outsourcing is solved!!! Businesses will be flocking here to buy the cheap labor, buildings, and equipment to produce their goods!!


sorry, I can have a vivid imagination at times and it does result in some pretty good nightmares....

Having always had an imposible time understanding the Fed Reserve, I found a good video to do it:

www.propagandamatrix.com...

BONUS: narrated by the guy who narrated my "becoming man/becoming woman" video in 6th grade.

You'll want to view this in the dark at your desk with a middle aged woman yelling at you to pay attention.

But it explains the Fed and its place with our money.



[edit on 19-7-2005 by mouser89]

Originally posted by mouser89
www.propagandamatrix.com...


[edit on 19-7-2005 by mouser89]

Hi mouser89,
thanks for that video link...GREAT STUFF....I got the 2 DVD Set of Moneymasters but this one is much easyer to watch....How can I save this file on my harddrive?
I did try to "save target as" but I do not get the whole file..just file location.
Please advice



[edit on 19-7-2005 by frozen_snowman]

As far as I know, due to bandwidth issues, we can't download it. I can't find a free floating copy either but if I do, I'll post it.

i stare into his eyes he stares back"ive brought your beer king w bush" "good you blood sucker american slave" bush. Pulls out knife, sorry i have to end it here it gets to violent but all of you should know whats next lol

[edit on 14/6/2005 by hardcore14]

Each day it seems that more and more expected events such as inevitable economic crashes, world war 3, probably something about ufos/aliens thrown in during this period and all the other events are heading to some sort of mega collision sometime around the 2012 timeframe.

The Fed is a successful version of two previous attempts to centralize the banks in this country. The 1st and 2nd Banks of the United States were effectively stopped in their tracks by Andrew Jackson, Abe Lincoln and devout democratic legislators that saw the true intentions of those who would exploit the money matter.

The Fed engineered the 1st Word War, the Great Depression, the 2nd World War and the checkmate maneuver is now being delivered it seems around this time in history.

Try this:

YOUR GOVERNMENT'S DEFINITION OF THE WORD “CITIZEN”

God Atum, the link you posted seems very closely related to this thread.
So why did you bother to start a whole new thread based upon that very same link? Looks like "spamming the board" to me.

[edit on 21-7-2005 by MidnightDStroyer]

This is a topic that has been of increasing interest to me. The more I read into it the more I realise that it is far too late, we are already slaves to the banking sytem and have been for many years. Thomas Jefferson himself fought against the creation of a large central bank his entire life. The Jeffersonians were somwhat succesful until about Calhoun ( i could be mistaken on the president) when a planned artificial econmic crash forced the government to accept one of two differing choices. This is a hard subject to research as it doesn't involve UFOs or lost civilizations and is hardly all that exciting, but I do believe it to be the path to the truth. Here's the banking/debt system in a nutshell:

I'm a bank, I have 500 dollars in cold hard cash. Joe asks to borrow it and uses it to buy a house from Sally. The 500 bucks is now in Sally's hand, who in turn places it in a savings account in my bank. My bank now has 500 dollars in cold hard cash, plus 500 dollars plus interest owed to me by Joe. Since Joe took a mortgage from my bank, his house is really my house until he pays me back. I can now claim that my bank has 1,000 dollars, even though only half of that is in cash. If Joe were to fail to pay back his mortgage plus interest I'm allowed to take his house and sell it for as much as I see fit. Sam can now come to me and ask for 1,000 dollar loan, I give it to him and charge him interest. Dependant upon the interest rate, within a year I can claim to have 1,500 dollars, though I still only have 500 in cash. On those transactions alone I made 1,000 off of the same 500 dollars I started out with.

This is in essence how all money works today. Only 90% of the currency in circulation is backed up by anything more than good faith. In and of itself this example seems fairly stable, if Sally were to some day ask for her savings back I would be able to give her the 500 in cash and still claim to have 1,000 and continue to issues loans and collect interest. Well, imagine that Sally were to put her savings in a different bank. I could still claim to have 500 dollars as Joe owes it to me plus interest. I would still be able to issue loans and collect interest, however, I do not have the cash to back it up. Let's say that my initial 500 dollars was comprised of savings accounts people had opened prior to Joe's home loan. Since that 500 dollars was given to Sally and she put it in a different bank those people have effectively lost their life savings. Sure I could give them 20 bucks here and there when they go to the ATM thanks to the money Joe is paying back. But if they ever wanted 150 dollars I couldn't give it to them. If everyone who had a savings account came to me at the same time demanding their savings my bank would be bankrupt and I would have to close my doors, leaving them out in the cold with no money.

This is in essence what happend during the Great Depression. When people had heard of the crash they rushed en masse to the banks demanding their money back but the banks didn't have it. At the time our country was on a gold standard. That means that each dollar you held in you hand was worth 1 dollar of US gold. However the gold standard only covered the cash that was in circulation, if you had a 5 dollar bill you could've theoretically taken it to the treasury and asked for your 5 dollars of gold. The banks had effectivly by passed this system. Since people weren't actually using the money they had placed in savings accounts they didn't need to back it up. In essence, the banks had begun making their own money, except this money didn't exist and was only worth as much as people's faith in the bank itself. Thus enters the Federal Reserve.

The main purpose of the Federal Reserve (here on called the "Fed") is basically to control the printing of our paper money. Let's say all my costumers with savings accountants demanded their money right now, I don't have the money to pay them and we are all facing bankruptcy. If i am FDIC insured I can call up the Fed and have them print the money I need to pay off my costumers and keep us all in business. However, the money they just created is going into circulation but is not backed up with an equal amount of new gold in the treasury. Here's an example:

All of the sudden my bank needs to pay off it's customers. The fed prints 500 more dollars and sends it out to me and I give it to my customers. My costumers use it to buy groceries and essentials effectively putting the new money into circulation. Lets say that before my transaction with the Fed the US had 5,000 dollars in circulation backed up by $5,000 in gold. However there is now $5,500 in circulation backed up by only $5,000 in gold. This is basically how inflation works. The dollar you have in your hand is worth less now than it was before my transaction with the Fed. Because a dollar is worth less stores must now charge that much more per product to get the same profit. This creates a relative balance in domestic finance but the dollar is still devalued in the world market.

This system of debt is much the same as paying credit card bills with other credit cards. The $1 you hold in your hand meant that $1 dollar of the US's gold was yours, the government was just "hanging on to it for you". the dollar was much like an IOU, it meant that if you ever so desired the government promised to give you your gold back. As much as I despise a paper money system the 100% gold standard was a fairly sound theory and would have remained so were it not for the banking/debt system. However it wasn't long before we were put on a 50% gold standard. What this meant was that now your $1 was worth .50 cents of US gold, if you thought you had saved up $100 you only owned $50 of gold. Given our above example of inflation you can figure out what that did to our economy.

We'll jump ahead a few years to the cold war. The US government needed massive amounts of more money to help beat the Russians in what amounted to a spending war. it was at this time that we were taken off the gold standard completely. In essence, your money now means absolutley nothing except that you trust the government not to collapse. The Fed is still in control of the printing and coining of our currency but no longer has to regulate it to balance with the gold reserve. Sure, your $100 US is as good here as anyone else's, it doesn't buy much anymore but it's still good for "all debts public and private". But you can no longer demand your share of the gold back. Removing the gold standard had succeeded in placing the Federal Reserve Bank in control of our money absolutley, they can make it worth more or less. They can print a billion dollars or burn a trillion because it's worth nothing. In addition, any money that is stored hypothetically, that is in numbers on a banks computer, is not only worthless but doesn't even have a tangable form. By removing us from the gold standard we were all robbed blind. Let's break this all down even simpler:

Only 10% of what we call money has a tangable phsycial form. Private Banks control the other 90%. The Federal Reserve Bank controls the private banks and the value of both hypothetical and tangable money.

It is easy to see what has transpired over the past few hundered years or so. The gold that used to be in the treasury was ours until the government decided we don't need it anymore. Your land, your house, indeed everything you think you own can be seized by the government without explaination. Your money means nothing and as soon as it hits the bank it ceases to exist. The more you spend and the more you work the deeper you dig yourself into servitude. You are paid with a check and deposit right to your account, you work for free. We are all in debt because our government is in debt and they used us as collateral. We are bought and sold and are powerless to stop it. Our money is worthless, we are slaves and at any moment it can collapse around us like the USSR. Makes you glad we still have the 2nd Ammendmant huh?

*grabs his gun and hides in his shed*

the Federal Reserve. I don't pay income tax and I don't ever plan to.

As for the question: If the FED tried to make a move with whatever army it could buy, well.. Lets just say they'd get owned=





[Mod edit: Profanity removed. Please see T&C's section 1b) Thank you - Jak]

[edit on 22/10/06 by JAK]

When JFK was in office he signed an executive order allowing Congress to make official U.S. currency backed by gold and silver dollars from our use to be gold and Silver stock-piles. This obviously put the FED at stakes of loosing is monopoly on the U.S. money supply. To this day the order has never been deauthorized, meaning Congress could make our money like a real country should have its government doing, not a privatly owned bank.

Read the White Horse prophecy. I am St. Joseph and the world will not end it will be a rebirth of good and all will be pure again. Love will rule the world.

If they try to pull the consequences of their legal and financial trickery onto the American people, those same American people will hunt these vipers and thieves down to all corners of the Earth.

The people know who they are and what they have done.

The only way I see that the elites can get out of this mess in once piece is to quit while they are ahead. They have had a good run, but the system has failed. No will or design of the few can outmeasure the spirit of the many. We outnumber them a million to one.

To the elite: you have made a mess of things. Let go of it and let us clean this up. If your children's future means anything, do not let them inherit a world of greed, violence, tyranny, and oppression. The safest world for them is the same world that is safest for us all. This is a world you will have a hand in creating. You have a choice to let their world be one of peace.


If you persist on pushing your apocalyptic order on us, you must surely know that your names will be on someone's list. I do not believe there will be a corner of the world left for you to hide in.


And for those who might think of joining their side, know that they will be paying and bribing you with YOUR OWN MONEY. Prosperity that was denied to you by their scheming, treacherous ways. If you choose to profit from this, you are an accomplice of evil, and your hands are on the hideous clay that forms the shape of evil in this world.


This cancer on society will be excised, and the world has a right to remove it, for we as a population are like one individual. Every cell of the body has its function, but when a cell becomes cancerous and parasitic, either that cell must be destroyed, or the host body will perish under the weight of disease.


Humanity will restore this world to health.


I bet my life on it.

reply to post by Shadowflux



The banking system is a miracle of sleight-of-hand.


What's even funnier is that human prosperity seems to have no limit, other than what the banks PERMIT us to do.

When the banking policies are favorable to a prosperous economy, everyone is working, things are getting done, people have faith in the future, innovation abounds, ideas and creative energy flourishes. Everyone is happy.

But you let the bank do something contrary, and suddenly the whole system comes crashing down.

But even if a system crashes, look at this:

- The number of people in the workforce is the same
- They are all still willing to work, if not more so
- Our creativity still exists
- Our ideas still exist
- Our experience and skills still exist

The only problem of everyone getting back to work is that something is standing in the way.

What?

Permission.

We wait for economic forces to be favorable. We wait for investments to be made. We wait until we're sure we're going to get our paychecks at the end of the week. These things we're waiting for are ideas.

We are waiting for them to change our minds about what we can do with our lives. Do you see the problem with this?

We are waiting for a bookkeeping entry to be made in a computer somewhere. There is no gold anymore. 95% of the cash in the world exists as ones and zeros in a computer somewhere. Money is nothing today but a figment of our imagination.


So guess what? The problem and solution is not something that is in their hands, IT IS IN OUR HEADS.


They can manipulate us so long as we GIVE THEM PERMISSION TO.


We can make our own “money”. It can be anything we agree to. Perhaps there will even be a day when money is no longer needed.


In order for prosperity to flourish, humanity must unleash itself from the harmful constructs of the imagination. The con, the deception, the lie that we must use their system or perish is a reality that exist so long as we believe it is true.


It's time for us to change our mind.



[edit on 17-11-2007 by dionysius9]

Hm...it would seem that the U.S. Citizens are already virtual slaves.
- debt
- addiction to buy more with that which they do not have.

So what more can the Fed. reserve do to enslave those already enslaved?

Peace

dAlen

The reason we are in debt and will never get out of said debt is the foundation basis on the few men behind the scenes controlling all of the world. In the U.S.A. our currency is produced by The Fed. The Fed is a privately owned company and is not bound by any laws what so ever. So you might ask, what does this have to do with our debt? The fed simply doesnt hand over cash to our goverment or anywhere. It loans it to us, with instant interest which is a percentage of the amount made. So once our goverment gets its spending cash from the fed, it is instantly in debt, and where does the money come from to pay the interest on every dollar made? The same place in the first place, the fed. Those dollars made to pay off the interest are also made with interest, therefore only causing one thing. More debt. Thusly, making it virtually impossible to get out of debt. This all lies with the international bankers, who control the amount of money made every year, more commonly known as rate of inflation.

The Constitution was suspended in 1933. It's all downhill from there folks.

I am bumping this thread but the scenario here has kinda come true;

Housing, financial and insurance has just been socialised and centralised to the Federal Reserve

What you really need to look at is the words being used.

"Hypothecated" all property within the federal United States

To most his would seem to mean "well that's every square inch of the United States of America. Actually it's not. The federal government actually has clear legal right to own very little land. The District of Columbia as well as the territories (Puerto Rico, Pacific Islands, etc.) are in truth the only real federal land. Even this is far beyond the original allowed amount. However, as I'm sure we all know, the federal government now literally owns almost all of America when all is said and done. How was this accomplished? As a few posters have mentioned, the Federal Citizen. By converting sovereign flesh-and-blood humans into "people" and Federal "citizens" they have also converted your land, your money, your children, and your life to their property.

The whole illegitimate federal government, strawmen legal fictions, sovereignty topic is truly fascinating. They have hidden it so well and for so long that it has almost been completely forgotten, but people are waking up. A good forum with no bravado "walk into court and say I'm not paying" antics is suijuris.net. Their members are people actively using this knowledge to escape the invisible prison while respecting the government they are fighting. You will quickly learn that it's all about offers, respect, and legal knowledge. The members their understand this, many other resources you may come across imply that one can simply say "I'm a sovereign, kiss my @**" and get away scott-free. In reality you must play their game, you must respectfully notify them that you decline their offers.

Again, I am rebumping this thread for newer members.

It was a fascinating topic - hopefully the original links are not dead.