New Illuminati Temple?

Originally posted by bluemeanie
I get sick of Masons spredinging disinfo

And I get sick of trolls who continually misrepresent theory as fact, and think they know more about an organization than its own members.

If ONE group of people on this website have consistently presented factual, verifiable and legitimate information, it has been the Freemasons.

Originally posted by ThePunisher
Makes me wonder what Sebatwerk Axeman and Brother gerard are doing here on this site.

Yeah its built to Illuminati and Occult symbology this is OBVIOUS, the twin towers where full of symbology as well.

What do you think we're doing here? trying to correct the absurd misconceptions that people like you have, and trying to show you that you really have no good reason at all to believe what you do.

Please show me the OBVIOUS Illuminati and occult symbolism (not symbology) in the twin towers and new proposed tower. Please show us why this is so OBVIOUS.

[edit on 29-6-2005 by sebatwerk]

My Gosh !

Is this Forum that started out Great being turned into another Masonic Thread !

Same people too ! Imagine that ?

This site is going down quick with this same ole crap.

Seba- I can see that things haven't changed any for you ! No matter the thread you are on you seem to be the first to start attacking and throwing stones because others don't believe the way you do !

Geez ! Is Freemasonry that boring that you guys have nothing else to do but babysit this site ?

Get out of Masonry and Get a life !

Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
Seba- I can see that things haven't changed any for you ! No matter the thread you are on you seem to be the first to start attacking and throwing stones because others don't believe the way you do !

Geez ! Is Freemasonry that boring that you guys have nothing else to do but babysit this site ?

Get out of Masonry and Get a life!

What are you talking about?!? Do you know how to read!?!?!?

Nobody mentioned Freemasonry until bluemeanie posted this:

I get sick of Masons spredinging disinfo

Up until then, NOBODY had mentioned Freemasonry. So who has the problem here? I can see your ignorance and bias hasn't changed.

IF it is a new illuminati temple, you guys need to make a better case of showing it.

1776 is considered teh year of Indpenedence. So why is Trade connected to Independence?

If masons laid the cornerstone, why was the building originally considered weak to truck bomb attacks?

And I get sick of trolls who continually misrepresent theory as fact, and think they know more about an organization than its own members.

If ONE group of people on this website have consistently presented factual, verifiable and legitimate information, it has been the Freemasons.

I agree with this poster. Thus it must be a Masonic conspiracy

Originally posted by Gerard
America is the home of the free and the land of the brave . That is why there are people who hate this land of many peoples and this is why America will endure

God bless America

It's land of the free and home of the brave.

Originally posted by SebatwerkWhat are you talking about?!? Do you know how to read!?!?!?

Try a little decaff bro?

Originally posted by akilles
So we will use the traditional number system,
1776 = 1110 + 666

And the point is .... ?

Originally posted by NuTroll
If masons laid the cornerstone, why was the building originally considered weak to truck bomb attacks?

I don't know about the original twin towers, but best I can figure, the Masons had nothing to do with the cornerstone ceremony for the Freedom Tower.

The Punisher:

Please explain to me what is so occult about 1776? It says right there in the article that this is representatinve of America's independence.

Why must you people always make something out of nothing?

[edit on 6/30/05 by The Axeman]

Originally posted by JustMe74
The article says that this is to reflect the Statue of Liberty's torch.

Not to mention that the interim memorial were twin shafts of light.

Thread's off topic, closed.

Originally posted by Nygdan
Thread's off topic, closed.

Uuhhh... you didn't close it.

How is it a temple anyway, its an office building, maybe if it were some secret area in which only super secret people were allow in i would agree but that is not the case.


oohhhh seb you go the warn flag!!!

[edit on 30-6-2005 by Boatphone]

Please explain to me what is so occult about 1776?

The same year the Illuminati was founded...and yes also the year of American Independence..

1776 may have occult significance, but it doesnt mean everything that comes after it does. some things may just be tied into the date because thats the normal accepted history.

any masons want to answer axeman's and mine question about the WTC? or are you guys agreeing that the cornerstone cermony wasnt performed on the new trade center?

Wow we have the Freemasons in here again defending The Illuminati (who don't exist of course) again...give it a rest guys, no one’s even talking about you here.

So why is the WTC now "The Freedom Tower" - this is a financial centre building, do they really mean "The Free Economy Tower?"
I'm reading a section in Barruel's "The Illuminati" which describes the Illuminati goddess of "Reason" who seems to be represented by The Statue of Liberty (verbatim.)
Anybody else know of another explanation of what it's supposed to espouse or where the design originated from?
The statement says that the beam of light is to reflect her torch.
And yes, bally-hoo for all the wonderful freedom fighters of America providing freedom for all those dirty ungrateful camel jockeys and their invisible weapons of mass destruction by turning their country into a desolate slum so they can rebuild it in exchange for all that worthless gooky black stuff that’s lying under the ground.
Yay Freedom (tm)!

Originally posted by aelphaeis_mangarae

Please explain to me what is so occult about 1776?

The same year the Illuminati was founded...and yes also the year of American Independence..

Tell me something I don't know. There is nothing occult in either of those references, seeing as we all know that those things happened.

So you're telling me that because the Illuminati (Bavarian) ostensibly was in possession of occult knowledge, and they just happened to be formed in the year 1776, that makes the number have some occult value?

You'd have better luck saying the number 1776 = 3, which we know has mystical meanings. Didn't think of that though, huh?

I'm surprised akilles didn't jump on that one.

Is 1776 really regarded as the year of Independance in the USA - is this taught in schools?

The bill was originally drafted in 1775 and as far I'm aware there was at least one more draft after the 1776 signing before it was presented to the British government in 1777.
Correct me if I'm wrong...please.

Originally posted by MrNECROS
Wow we have the Freemasons in here again defending The Illuminati (who don't exist of course) again...give it a rest guys, no one’s even talking about you here.

Aren't you talking about us right now?? Besides, this is a public forum and anyone can post here. If you have a problem with that, then go somewhere else or start your own discussion forum.

And it's not Freemasons debunking the supposed existence of the Illuminati, it's rational-thinking people who see through the B.S. and realize that there's no such evidence to support the existence of such a group. Just because your vision is clouded doesn't mean that I'm wrong. And only you would think that my fraternal affiliations would have something to do with my belief that something that has no evidence to support it is absurd...

...then again you believe that Freemasons blew up your toilet and drugged you and forced you to watch masonic rituals (even though we have never allowed non-masons to view them, but YOU were the exception).

Originally posted by MrNECROS
Is 1776 really regarded as the year of Independance in the USA - is this taught in schools?

Uhhhhhhhh... Yeah. It is.

www.usacitylink.com...

usinfo.state.gov...

The bill was originally drafted in 1775...

Wrong.

from: www.archives.gov...

Drafted by Thomas Jefferson between June 11 and June 28, 1776, the Declaration of Independence is at once the nation's most cherished symbol of liberty and Jefferson's most enduring monument. Here, in exalted and unforgettable phrases, Jefferson expressed the convictions in the minds and hearts of the American people. The political philosophy of the Declaration was not new; its ideals of individual liberty had already been expressed by John Locke and the Continental philosophers. What Jefferson did was to summarize this philosophy in "self-evident truths" and set forth a list of grievances against the King in order to justify before the world the breaking of ties between the colonies and the mother country.

...and as far I'm aware there was at least one more draft after the 1776 signing before it was presented to the British government in 1777.
Correct me if I'm wrong...please.

I'm not sure about the presentation, but considering the inaccuracy of your previous assertion, I'm going to have to assume that you're wrong. Now if you can present some facts from *credible* resources, then I will be forced to concede.