Demons, Ghosts, Insanity, or Elaborate Hoax?

we had a massive hallucination

Hallucination - The experience of sights and sounds that are not actually present.

The people who saw that didn't actually see it because it wasn't actually there. You said that yourself.

Was implying that everyone has seen demons .

I have never seen one before, I believe they exist. Just from your story, don't believe you saw one.

I have never hallucinated before

Oh really? Refer to the top quote please.

[edit on 30-6-2005 by JBurns]

"Yeah and my dad was too"--you said i was imagining stuff cause i was 6 and he was not 6 at the time i was.
"and so was my grandpa"--again he wasnt a kid and not on drugs yet saw demons
"my mom" not on drugs and saw one
"and when i sat my sister down to watch them go through the house we had a massive hallucination" this is sarcasm--as in whats the possibility we saw the exact same thing when I wanted to see it?
"and when my dads friend laughed and got shown the one in the shed at night and turned white" When my dad lived here there was one in the shed and it still is there .(He laughed because he thought demons didnt exist or wasnt there)
"...yeah okay keep telling yourself that." meaning all of which i said is what you would expect.

This english enough for you to understand or should i just go through it all even more in detail?

[edit on 30-6-2005 by Wisdumb]

The more detail the better...

Why don't you try running through your story again, try to include every detail you can remember about the experience?

Look i wasnt thinking of how to type when i wrote the reply you keep flaming me on.
Okay my dad used to be evil so there were demons in my house.
2 people killed themselves in my house(my grandma's) so says an old man one day who asked if we live here and told us this.
When nobody was around I saw tall black shadow people walk through my dads room to my grandma's and one day me and my sister were here and I showed her.
My grandpa has seen them (Not the grandma i live withs husband but my other grandpa who doesnt live here) and told me not to fear them and tell them to leave in the name of Jesus.
And yes my dad had friends over all the time so he showed them demons and the really scary ones too.
No drugs needed for this and if you dont believe me come over and wait until night and ill summon one up for ya but you would really really have to want to see one...and you wouldnt like it!

Now i live with one sister and my mom and still sometimes see one out the corner of my eye and kind of get scared but They feed on fear so I make them leave.

[edit on 30-6-2005 by Wisdumb]

Look i wasnt thinking of how to type when i wrote the reply you keep flaming me on.

I'm not "flameing" you on anything, I'm simply trying to get to the truth.

Okay my dad used to be evil

What do you mean by used to be evil? Evil as in the devil, or evil as in the mean old man that steals your birthday cake?

if you dont believe me come over

I'm a a paranormal investigator, give me your address and I'll gladly pay you a visit. As far as me not wanting to see one? I would love to see what your talking about. The truth isn't always pretty....

My dad is not your concern. Only and example of why I would see things around here but i still do and he isnt here....

Getting the truth on what?? We totally took this guys thread and made it a question Wisdumb thing.

Actually if you dont already know my address then its best i dont. Also summoning a demon would piss God off and if you died from one it's my fault and you don't believe in demons...justs hallucinations or "ghosts" so forget about it.

Now your leading me to believe your lieing about all of this.

If you originally had thought "my dad is not your concern," then you wouldn't have brought up his "evilness" in the first place.

Secondly, I have no way of determining your address because you haven't told me. I'm not some government agent with access to advanced tracking technology. You offered to show me one, I've accepted your offer. Now your retracting it, "for my own safety." Also, Who says I don't believe in them? I just don't believe your story.

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[edit on 30-6-2005 by JBurns]

My story is demons are around even as i type and how can you not believe that? Okay I was quite evil and used to try to hurt people at 5 years old and up until 13 years old was always doing evil because I hated God and demons were around me because I HATED everything and everyone and went psycotic as a child but now i can control my thoughts and supress demons. They had me almost killing myself and at school..LOL Grade school was fun going psycho on them other kids so demons try to get me still.

I've almost killed people and am glad i didnt but all the evil things allow evil to show and thats the story. Okay but I am trying to follow Christ now so i was just implying that if you seriously want to see a demon....well i used to send them to people who made me mad but you arent going to make me mad enough to risk that.
--(Well not even close to almost killing someone phisically but the thought of killing someone is close enough for me to feel bad)
Never threatened a life like that--

[edit on 30-6-2005 by Wisdumb]

I don't have time to obviously read through months of replies of some guy, especially this guy.. doesn't do much.

Anyways I think it's a hoax, and if for some reason it isn't it's is insanity, he is a prime candidate for that if this guy is real.

Anyways.. it's cool. (I feel I can say that because it's a hoax.)

I just wanted to make a reply on all this demon garbage.

TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS.

Blaming it on demons or whatever is complete nonsense, yes you saw things, hear things, whatever.

It's called insanity. Your not having some unknown enity control your actions your just too worthless a person to take a step back look at the world and get some help.

Insanity doesn't come for no reason, take responsibility for your insanity.. it's your fault, and it always will be.

Never some demon.

So, now it's not your dad that was evil, it's you?? Your a very confusing person, who created an elaborate, but poorly planned hoax.

And for the original topic, I'd stick with my assesment of it either being a hoax, or sheer coincidence.

[edit on 30-6-2005 by JBurns]

YES!! You got me good, good job.

Your good but are you good enough to take the challenge of debunking the guy in question? JD or whatever?

BTW Sorry to person who made this thread, didnt mean to have it get off subject.




[edit on 30-6-2005 by Wisdumb]

The starter of this topic doesn't appear to be trying to hoax ATS, like you. So there is really no reason to pick their story apart, peice by peice. They showed us a blog entry, while it is definatley odd, I don't see any reason, at this point, to consider it anything more than a coincidence. However, if more entries like this appear, then that could either mean one of two things:

1) They are hoaxing
2) Something is actually going on

I think that before we conduct an investigaion into it, we should see if this happens again, or see if we were right by just explaining this off.

Oh, and just to let you know, the word "debunk" means to expose while ridiculing. I was not ridiculing you, I was simply letting the facts disprove what you were saying. Nothing against you, just what you were saying. Ridiculing someones ideas doesn't help to find the truth out, however, exposing a hoax does. Basically what you were doing was being a "dis-information agent."

Jack

[edit on 30-6-2005 by JBurns]

IOt's cool guys, but I still would like to keep talking about this website thing. I've been reading it again, and more things keep jumping out at me. I still tend to agree with Ksnazdnzon when he says it's a hoax, because I can't believe that these hudden messages I keep finding are a "coincidence". One would be acceptable. Two would be pushing the boundries. But there are enough that I've found to make me believe either someone wrote it this way on purpose, or the guy is possesed, because there's no way it just "happened" to spell this stuff out.

On the May31st Post, he's begging for help, because he's scared, etc. But what at first appears to be a bunch of typos is actually messages written backwards, which look to be from whatever it is that's taking him over (maybe some sort of split personality thing? I'm not a psychology expert).

But written backwards in all capital letters are the following sentences:

NO!

I WILL NOT ALLOW THIS!

HIS SELF IS OURS!

HE WILL DREAM WITH US FOREVER!

Also, on May 9th, some of the words are colored red, and if you just read the red words it says:

I will claim this body as my own

And the last one I found, was on April 27th. Again, if you take the first letter from each sentence it spells:

Behalah is to be worshiped


I think this has moved beyond the real of "coincidence". Any thoughts?

I was only claiming that the one event of the "list" spelling something out could be a coincidence, if there are all of those things, then the chance of it being coincidental are very slim, at best. Like I said above, either he's hoaxing, or something is really happening. Definatley worth looking into though.

[edit on 30-6-2005 by JBurns]

Originally posted by Garden Spider
Also, on May 9th, some of the words are colored red, and if you just read the red words it says:
I think this has moved beyond the real of "coincidence". Any thoughts?

I say this is very intentional as it takes extra time and effort to do the word coloring.
How many demon entities are going to bother html or whatever the blog coloring code method is?
Why would they bother?

This is a hoax.

On the subject of demons, see insanity, inconsistancy, and desperation of the poster above for examples of what kind of people believe in demons possession. Remember if you actually meet
a person who starts blaming things on demons, satan, etc, and/etc tells you that Jesus is the answer for everything, excuse yourself and back away slowly, they are obviously in need of medication and therapy, and probably confinement.

That was my initial assesment of our friend, Mr. Wisdumb.

My gut tells me this blog is a good hoax. A work of fiction done pretty well for the medium it is using.

I feel like wisdumb is alot more honest than this guy.

Just my gut feeling

I don't trust wisdumb at all, his story was filled with un-answered question, and holes. And the creator of that blog clearly hoaxed it.

I just agreed with Jburns so i dont have to argue with him/it/.
So yes sure im a liar and whatever else he said for the sake of nonargument.
To clear it up though there was no story i was just telling parts of my life and what i have seen and trying to sort it out myself . None of this was thought through because I know nobody believes the things i said.

People believe in ghosts or aliens so if i had a story it would start with one of those.

Like...
--This one time I saw a UFO and a beam came down.........--