"World sees Uncle Sam as the bad guy"

"World sees Uncle Sam as the bad guy"

America's reputation continues to suffer around the world because of the Iraq war and the re-election of President George Bush, according to a new worldwide poll.

The Pew Global Attitudes Project, which asked 17,000 people in 16 countries about their attitudes to the United States, found only limited signs of anti-Americanism abating, with America's reputation significantly improving in only three countries: Indonesia, India and Russia.

I found this part interesting:

Underscoring that politicians are perhaps best viewed from afar, Britain's Tony Blair was more popular in America than President Bush, while President Jacques Chirac was more popular in Germany than in France.

And this:

A majority (58 per cent) of Americans say their country is not religious enough. Europeans see America as too religious, but Muslim countries actually agree with Americans.

I guess you guys have something in common. Next step > create a Christian/Muslim coalition and invade Europe?

Originally posted by cargo

I guess you guys have something in common. Next step > create a Christian/Muslim coalition and invade Europe?

Actually, I like this idea.

Day one: Invade France
Day one (afternoon): France is done, whos next?
etc....

I don't think you'll find anyone putting up much of fight these days. Prolonged resistance campaigns seem to be all the rage. Hell, Rummy's just finding that out now.

And the French were quite good at it.



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Originally posted by skippytjc

Originally posted by cargo

I guess you guys have something in common. Next step > create a Christian/Muslim coalition and invade Europe?

Actually, I like this idea.

Day one: Invade France
Day one (afternoon): France is done, whos next?
etc....

Day two:invade the UK
Day two(afternoon): US is done, watch em run run with their tails between their legs.

That the kind of response you were looking for?

Still I suppose it does show that religous nuts around the world share a common goal, eh.

There's at least one problem with the source article cited in this thread.

If you go to the source of the poll, Pew polling or whatever, they state that 16,000 (less in some countries) were polled.

[EDIT] Should've said less than 16,000 polled. 1,000 or less in each of 16 countries. [end edit]

Also, if you read the poll itself, no country wanted to see China have the military power of the US.

related discussion has and is going on here:
world favors china over US



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I dont read atsnn. And my search before posting came up with nothing.

How does it work out that Blair is more popular than Bush in America? I mean, we know that Blair is more popular in Britain than Bush.

So ... I love being the underdog, it drives us Americans to be the competitors that make our country great, possibly a reason why America remains one of the worlds strongest super poweres.

Damn ... we need a new space race then will show 'em whos boss.

I don't think you'll find anyone putting up much of fight these days. Prolonged resistance campaigns seem to be all the rage. Hell, Rummy's just finding that out now.

Too bad for you they never work out. Resistance and guerilla warfare might seem romantic, but they never win.

As far as Blair being more popular than Bush, don't you think it has something to do with no one picks on Blair with the same intensity as Bush? I bet 3/4 of the people here don't know who Blair is.

Originally posted by RedWhiteandBlood
Too bad for you they never work out. Resistance and guerilla warfare might seem romantic, but they never win.

How is this too bad for me?

By the way:

Mr Rumsfeld also admitted on Sunday that it could take as long as 12 years to defeat the gunmen and bombers. But he said the Iraqi security forces would finish the job because US and other troops would have left.

"We're not going to win against the insurgency; the Iraqi people are going to win against the insurgency," he said. "That insurgency could go on for any number of years. Insurgencies tend to go on five, six, eight, 10, 12 years."

www.theage.com.au... with-iraq-rebels/2005/06/27/1119724577334.html

As far as Blair being more popular than Bush, don't you think it has something to do with no one picks on Blair with the same intensity as Bush? I bet 3/4 of the people here don't know who Blair is.

I think you'll find it is you who will be perceived as ignorant if that statement is honest and true, on your part. That is, if it was not an attempt to put down 3/4 of the ATS community. You also appear to have no knowledge or understanding of British politics. So I will point you to this thread

politics.abovetopsecret.com...
US vs. UK: Town Halls

On the May 4, 2005 episode of the Daily Show, Jon Stewart contrasted the British style of Town Hall forum with the American style. He showed clips of the populace's meetings with Mr. Blair, and clips of meetings with Mr. Bush. Now, and I hope I am not breaking any copyright rules, I will give you some quotes from these two forums.

England: Citizen- "If you arent fraudulent, you're grossly negilgent and for that you should be resigning anyway." (imagine it with a nice british accent, it seems less insulting)

America: Citizen- "I'm very happy to have you as a president." (bit of a southern drawl on that one, followed by lots of applause)

England: Citizen- "That is a lie, you lied to this country, and that is why we cannot support you in the following election." (lots of applause)

America: Pretty Sandra Bullock Lookalike Citizen- "First of all I would like to commend you for taking on this monstrous task."

England: Blair enters to a smattering of applause and boos.

America: Bush enters and shakes the hands of the ethnically diverse backround props.

Yeah right, Blair isnt picked on...

Originally posted by iksmodnad
So ... I love being the underdog, it drives us Americans to be the competitors that make our country great, possibly a reason why America remains one of the worlds strongest super poweres.

Damn ... we need a new space race then will show 'em whos boss.

That's quite interesting. I would like to know more about america being the underdog, if you would like to expand on your comment.

Thanks. (I'm serious)



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We like to win and prove our selfs, take the space race for instance we made it too the moon with technology that was less advanced than todays calculators. This was all out of determination to be the First to the moon and we did it and we are still proud of it. Its that same determination and pride to be the "First" or the "Best" Its the competitive drive that turn ordinary Americans into great Americans.

Ok I guess I didn't make myself clear.

I meant 3/4 of the US citizens don't know who Blair is.

I meant Blair doesn't get picked on in the US media as much as Bush.

Too bad for you is right. You do want the US to loose and the terrorist to win, don't you? Wouldn't that make you feel all good inside, knowing that you are right and we were wrong?

I'm very proud of America for landing on the moon too (conspiracies aside). Im also proud of Russia for sending a man into space. I'm not impressed, however, by your calculator comment. It's not like this happened 5 years ago.

As for underdog, America imported many, many extraordinary scientific minds after world war 2. I am 100% sure America has not been an underdog for a very, very long time.

Originally posted by RedWhiteandBlood
Too bad for you is right. You do want the US to loose and the terrorist to win, don't you? Wouldn't that make you feel all good inside, knowing that you are right and we were wrong?

Are you asking me a question or making a statement? Are you assuming things and showing extraordinarily high levels of ignorance?

You don't need to hear it from me. You can hear it from Rummy. You will not win against the insurgents. You did not win against the Vietcong. This is not my wish, it is how it works. Take on a conventional force and you will win.

Einstein was an imported scientist from Germany, thats just it we are the melting pot and open the opportunity for others to come here and do their best, and this still exist today.

Thats why whenever another country puts us down and turns us into the under dogs we are ready for the challenge.

"It's not like this happened 5 years ago."

Fair enough, Burt Rutan started his space ship one project 5 years ago and he put civilian in space. He an American was the first person to send a non government funded space vehicle in space. Thats quite an accomplishment and another example of the American competitive drive.

BTW he won the X prize.

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Originally posted by iksmodnad
Einstein was an imported scientist from Germany, thats just it we are the melting pot and open the opportunity for others to come here and do their best, and this still exist today.

You think he was the only imported scientist from Germany? Do some research from the years immediately after World War 2. Make sure you put "Nazi" in your keywords.

Oh forget it, here click this:

Operation Paperclip

Welcome to ATS.

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Actually yes I do know about how Nazi's were imported into the united states and on the US pay roll (watched the documentary on the history channel about it). Although it might seem bad it was actually really smart , considering the Germans during that time had some of the best technology. Just because their leader was a lunatic does not mean all there intentions were genocide.

"Over 700 members of the Nazi scientific community were brought to the US as a direct result of Operation Paperclip, many of whom were still ardent Nazi supporters."

But you can think whatever makes you feel the most comfortable about the situation, iksmodnad.

Let's face it, Iraq was either a terrible mistake or infiltrated by powers for reasons only speculated and not understood as yet?

All and all, forces are being killed and they are still deployed and at 39% of favor for the US power admin.
I'd guess time is running out to tell, leave or perhaps get to the real problem in the area?

Dallas

Just because they supported it does not mean the government would let them practice their beliefs here. I also don't think the united states government gave a crap about what they did.

Its like this you find the man who has the cure for aids only problem is he is a mass murder do you pay him to work for you and have people actually benefit from him or do you send him to prison missing out on one of the greatest medical achievements possibly ever.

The nazi's also had a lot to offer:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

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Dallas, what we are seeing was inevitable, I guess. I remember Baghdad Bob (the spokesman for Iraq during the invasion who was denying that they were being defeated, blah blah) saying that they will turn Baghdads streets into a jungle. Maybe that was a reference to Vietnam, who knows. But it seems to be the only thing he ever said that was the truth.

I honestly don't know what we can do now. But the fact remains that it is a no win situation and is akin to a hole in a bucket of water. You are losing water all the time (dead soldiers) but you can let it leak and there will still be plenty of water in the bucket in the short term. But eventually you will need to fill the bucket again, and again, and again. How long you inted to do this is what matters. I think the US admin is desperately looking for an exit strategy now, And I dont think Iraq will be able to cope on it's own so soon.