Bush's War Creates Terror!

LOL, yeah. Okay. That'll work. The west withdraws, only to find that the KKK and Al Quaeda and MS13 are still there, intending to kill them. Brilliant!Terrorists are everywhere, not just in the middle east. I thought you knew that. They not teach history or current events in Hippy Class?

DE

[edit on 18-1-2006 by DeusEx]

There has been terrorism going on since the MIDDLE AGES. Do you think they flung dead bodies into cities for FUN? Do you think that Assassins were created to STOP wars? It's not a matter of saying "Ok, we won't participate in terrorism anymore. Leave us alone." and everyone is suddenly friends.

Mister Noam Chomsky:

The New War Against Terror

That is the culture in which we live and it reveals several facts. One is the fact that terrorism works. It doesn’t fail. It works. Violence usually works.

Like other means of violence, it’s primarily a weapon of the strong, overwhelmingly, in fact. It is held to be a weapon of the weak because the strong also control the doctrinal systems and their terror doesn’t count as terror.

Terrorism is not the weapon of the weak. It is the weapon of those who are against ‘us’ whoever ‘us’ happens to be.

So, let me ask you again - Did Afganistan Attack United States?

Did Iraq?

Did Iran?

Did Syria?

Did Pakistan?

Did North Korea?

Chomsky criticizes US violence

"The United States can contribute to millions of deaths around the world because of the silence or servility of the educated classes who could easily find out about this."

"This is the first time the guns have been pointed the other way. For hundreds of years, Europeans have been slaughtering each other and slaughtering people all over the world. But the Congo didn't attack Belgium. India didn't attack England. Algeria didn't attack France," he said. "The world looks very different depending on whether you're holding the lash or being whipped by it."

"The world is ruled by force. The only way we can put a permanent end to terrorism is to stop participating in it."

Morality, Terrorism and the Laws of Motion

But they ignore the laws of motion, especially Sir Isaac Newton's law of reciprocal actions. The law states: Whenever one body exerts force upon a second body, the second body exerts an equal and opposite force upon the first body. In popular vernacular, this law is also known as "for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction." Osama bin Laden has translated Newton's law into his own words: "If you bomb our cities, we will bomb yours."

So its pretty Easy to Understand if you look at the Situation from the Global point of view.

We are still part of this Planet and a part of the Nature, where Laws of Physics Work.

Afghanistan was the home base of Al Qaeda. You remember them right? The guys that tried to sink our warship, and killed 3000 innocent civilians? The only way they could have been there was with Taliban approval.

Iran has been sponsoring terrorism for decades.

Iraq DID have ties to Al Qaeda. They might not have had WMDs but Al Qaeda has been linked to Iraq.

North Korea- A State of War has existed between North Korea, South Korea, and the United States for decades. Just in case your history class didn't teach you this, there was NEVER a treaty signed ending the Korean War. There was an ARMISTICE, but not an actual treaty.

Pakistan is our ALLY, and has been HELPING us hunt down Al Qaeda.

Syria is just there.

[edit on 1/18/2006 by Zaphod58]

Originally posted by Zaphod58
Iran has been sponsoring terrorism for decades.

Iran SPONSORING Terrorism for Decades?



Then How do you Call what United States have been doing for Several Decades - and not just in Middle East, but also in South America, Africa, Indo-China, Korea - just to namea Few.

United States SUPPORTED N U M E R O U S Dictatorship/Terrorist Regimes in the Past for their Own Geo-Strategic Purposes.

And you ACCUSE Iran of Supporting Terrorists?

At one point in Time US even Set up their Own Pro-American Regime in Iran, like the one [iInstalled now in Iraq. Even if they never Attacked any American's, they are treated like their Enemy.

Why?

Just because Daddy Bush said so?

To liberate Iraqi people! HA!

Operation
Iraqi
Liberation

Or to Liberate Iraqi OIL from the hands of Terrible Terrorists, and to quickly Privatise it to American Oil Corporations.?

Remember -

Petrodollar Warfare
Saddam Hussein sealed his fate when he announced in September 2000 that Iraq was no longer going to accept dollars for oil being sold under the UNs Oil-for-Food program, and decided to switch to the euro as Iraqs oil export currency.

Operation Iraqi Freedom was a war designed to install a pro-U.S. government in Iraq, establish multiple U.S military bases before the onset of global Peak Oil, and to reconvert Iraq back to petrodollars while hoping to thwart further OPEC momentum towards the euro as an alternative oil transaction currency (i.e. petroeuro). However, subsequent geopolitical events have exposed neoconservative strategy as fundamentally flawed, with Iran moving towards a petroeuro system for international oil trades, while Russia evaluates this option with the European Union.

So, who did the Bush Goverment REALLY want to Liberate?

Iraq DID have ties to Al Qaeda. They might not have had WMDs but Al Qaeda has been linked to Iraq.

Sure.

Yes - where have you seen that?

Al Qaeda-Hussein Link Is Dismissed

We have no credible evidence that Iraq and al Qaeda cooperated on attacks against the United States.

BBC - No Links

There are no current links between the Iraqi regime and the al-Qaeda network, according to an official British intelligence report seen by BBC News.

MSNBC - Powell: No proof links Iraq, al-Qaida

Secretary of State Colin Powell reversed a year of administration policy, acknowledging Thursday that he had seen no “smoking gun [or] concrete evidence” of ties between former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and al-Qaida.

Rumsfeld: No Solid Evidence

"We do have solid evidence of the presence in Iraq of al Qaeda members, including some that have been in Baghdad,"

THERE ARE NO LINKS!

But, that does not Matter - Remember somebody Said Once:

“If you repeat a lie long enough, and loud enough, it becomes truth.”

Maybe THATS the case, why there are SO Many people who still belive Saddam and Al-Qaeda are ONE.

"In 125 separate appearances, they (Bush, Cheney, Powell, Rumsfeld and Rice) made 61 MISLEADING statements about Iraq's relationship with al-Qaeda"
As Reported by the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Government Reform

Pakistan is our ALLY, and has been HELPING us hunt down Al Qaeda.

And your ALLY gets Bombed once in a While in this War on Terror - ofcourse that was COUNTER-Terrorism, even if several Innocent Civilaans died in the Attack, including women and children.

Syria is just there.

E-xactly.



[edit on 18/1/06 by Souljah]

Of course there aren't, because that would mean that you'd have to either admit that the US was right about something, or that you were wrong.

I didn't say Iran sponsored terrorists, I said they sponsored terrorism. Difference there. The US may have done the things you said we did. But we don't train children to starp bombs onto their bodies and walk up to enemy tanks and blow themselves up. Or into eneby troops.

If we went into Iraq for oil, where is it? WHy is gas here going up almost every week? Why hasn't the price of oil come down even a little? WHERE is the oil we went into Iraq for? Oh wait, we HAD to go in for oil, because the first letter of Operation, and Iraq are the first two letters of oil. So THAT'S the secret message.

[edit on 1/18/2006 by Zaphod58]

On Sept 11, the US declared war against terrorism and the organizations and countries that support it. Since that time the progress is evident. It is a war, and wars start, escalate, and hopefully end. When WW 2 started in 1939, there were fewer combatants than the time it ended in 1945 because it escalated.

The was on terror started in Afghanistan, has escalated and will continue to involve more combatants, until it is won. The US and its allies have taken the fight to the terrorists, instead of sitting back and waiting to get hit, then lob a couple of cruise missiles at some meaningless target.

In order to defeat an enemy, you have to identify who the enemy is and let him show himself. That is what is being accomplished now, both in the middle east and around the world.

Since Sept 11, there has been no attack on US soil, because the terrorists are to busy fighting in the middle east. The Bush administration cannot brag about this because chances are the US will be attacked at some time. But the bottom line is the war on terror is being waged to counter terrorism, and it has been succesful thus far.

The US and its allies must continue to have the stomach for the fight. War is brutal, ugly, and full of successes and failures. This is a war we must win, because our way of life is at stake

Souljah,

I'm deffinitely on your side here but I think this goes WAY deeper than just oil. Some people are speculating that this 'war' has alot to do with the middle east in general heading towards a euro switch which may very well be part of it. (Just part I'm sure) When you said earlier that the US is under the control of a bunch of corporate megalomaniacs, I think you hit the nail right on the head. Don't forget.. The more 'terror' (engineered or otherwise) there is, the more CONTROL the bushie administration and it's 'puppeteers' have.

Regards


[edit on 18-1-2006 by TxSecret]

Originally posted by Zaphod58
If we went into Iraq for oil, where is it? WHy is gas here going up almost every week? Why hasn't the price of oil come down even a little? WHERE is the oil we went into Iraq for? Oh wait, we HAD to go in for oil, because the first letter of Operation, and Iraq are the first two letters of oil. So THAT'S the secret message.

No that's not the Message - but its really Convenient, isn't it?

Anyway,

Iraqi Oil Shock

During the run-up to the war, the Bush administration denied that oil was a factor in its desire to oust Saddam Hussein from power: Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, during a November 2002 interview with CBS News' Steve Kroft, declared that the approaching U.S. invasion had "nothing to do with oil, literally nothing to do with oil." But four months later, as U.S. troops seized Iraq's oil infrastructure and closed in on Baghdad, then-Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz (now the president of the World Bank) made it clear that Iraq's oil was going to save American taxpayers a lot of money.

Well Well Well, another Anti-American/Bush-Bashing thread from Souljah......how nice.


Truth of the matter is America was viciously attacked on 9/11 and many times before that. A push has come to a shove and now its a fight to the Death....its us or them and I would like America and her allies to win against the throat-cutters in the Middle-East.

To say Bush has created terror is ignorance beyond belief, because radical Islam has taken root in many countries which have no connection to the our Terror war in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Read up on the history of radical Islams war with "everyone" and it will prove me right.

Maximu�

Cant get a much more biased source than Salon.com. Joan Walsh the editor in cheif, please. Get a source that practices objective and not subjective journalism. How did this interview make it clear to anyone that this war was for oil, how is it saving our taxpayers any money. My taxes havent gone down, federal or state level tax. In North Carolina we have the highest gas tax in the southeast. Gas is high everywhere, and diesel fuel, which has traditionally been lower than regular unleaded gasoline, is now more expensive.

Originally posted by LA_Maximus
To say Bush has created terror is ignorance beyond belief, because radical Islam has taken root in many countries which have no connection to the our Terror war in Iraq and Afghanistan.

OK, lets chek it out, shall we?

The 15 Hijackers of 9-11 were Saudi - so, tell me what is the Relationship between the US and Saudi?

Second - Remember Russian invasion of Afganistan? Who did the CIA Found and Arm to fight the Russian Invasions? No Links to Al-Qaeda, huh?

And Saddam's Regime of Power - established by the CIA, and Armed later by All of the Countries of the West, especially the USA to fight the Iranian Islamic Regime, which overthrew the Pro-American goverment in Iran.

So basicly you have American Involvment in ALL OF THIS Countries, that are or were Harboring Terrorists.

But that is not the Deal here.

If you see the Numbers, you see that the Terrorist Attacks Have SIGNIFICANTLY Increased since the War on Terror, and that the Means of this War are not very Suitable, for it is like spilling gasoline on fire - not Smart.

Anyway, Enjoy the Forthcoming Attack on Iran!

Originally posted by zoso28

Since Sept 11, there has been no attack on US soil, because the terrorists are to busy fighting in the middle east.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but besides 911, there have been only 2 acts of terrorism inside US (atleast in 40++ years), WTC in 1993 and Oklaholma in 1995.
Oklaholma bombing was made by american, not by fundamentilistic muslims, so i don't think it counts.

So there has been only 2 acts of muslim terrorism inside, with 8 year interval.

This means that it is way too early to say that invasion of Afganistan / war against terror has stopped or even distrupted terrorists from attacking against US in US soil.

Afghanistan -also supplied a hell of alot of drugs that supported terrroism, directly. Taliban may have visited the US in the 80's, but it was one guy on a diplomatic mision, and if you research it there were even some issues regarding his trip. It is not like the envoy and Bush hit Disney and went out for beers. In the international community, sometimes you have to grin and bear it.

Iran-has had our support in the past, going back to the 50's, but I remember some kidnappings and ALOT of demonstration and religious leadership since the 70's. Things change and it they do not watch themselves, they will trhow the region into a larger conflict than there alread yis.

Iraq is not about oil. give me one link that shows we benefitted from Oil in Iraq.

Syria- are you kidding, call up google and type in Syria + terrorism

Al Qeada created the War on Terror, not Bush. If Clinton would have had the balls to do something about them in the 90's 9/11 could have been prevented. As far as the US supporting terrorism, I cannot disagree that some of the choices of who they choose to back were not the right ones, but it is not all Bush's administrations fault. It is how ours and other governemts have operated for centuries.Plus, I cannot recall us supporting a nation or groups that suddenly killed 3000 innocent people.

The ramping up of the war on terror is a incremental process and it seems that with Iran acting the part and Chian/Russia backing off support of Iran, you just might see some fireworks here real soon.

Pakistan- Well , we just pissed them off with the air strike on AQ no 2, but they will come back around. THey need our weapons.


NK- Not even going to try and attmept to prove why this guy is dangerous. His recent trips though are provocative however.




[edit on 18-1-2006 by esdad71]

Originally posted by Tuk
Correct me if i'm wrong, but besides 911, there have been only 2 acts of terrorism inside US (atleast in 40++ years), WTC in 1993 and Oklaholma in 1995.
Oklaholma bombing was made by american, not by fundamentilistic muslims, so i don't think it counts.

So there has been only 2 acts of muslim terrorism inside, with 8 year interval.

This means that it is way too early to say that invasion of Afganistan / war against terror has stopped or even distrupted terrorists from attacking against US in US soil.

Doesnt matter who did the terror acts, 3 are 3 too many. Its true, there are terrorists besides muslim terrorists. But those terror groups that are white supprmacists, environmental, or muslim fundamentalists all share one thing in common. Extreme ideals that allow violence. Those that operate inside are borders, are always being watched for their activities, and rightfully so. You would be right to say that it is too early to tell whether or not it has slowed or stopped terrorists, because we know it hasnt(ie. London Tube Bombings, Spain ect.). But you have to take the fight to them and keep them on the run, thats how it has to be done. Dont let them set up shop, get planning and perpetrate other attacks. It has shown results here in the States, no attacks since 9/11. I dont expect you can ever really defeat the ideals of terrorism, but I do expect to continue the fight. Those ideals have to be delt with inside the Muslim communities and by their society. But I dont expect they ever will be delt with by those societies.



[edit on 1/18/2006 by ludaChris]

Originally posted by esdad71
Al Qeada created the War on Terror, not Bush. If Clinton would have had the balls to do something about them in the 90's 9/11 could have been prevented.[edit on 18-1-2006 by esdad71]

Believe me i am no fan of the clinton presidency(past or future) but Clinton or anyone else at that time had their hands tied. Because of the UN, intl' law, politics and good ole' american complacency, his hands were tied. The US is a reactionary society. We do not want the status quo disturbed until a tragedy happens, its just the way we are. Its not fair to blame Clinton for not waging a war on terror, just typical partisan politics, which by the way is what keeps the US from being as great as it could be

Clintons hands were not tied. he bombed the hell out of Iraq and Dealt with ehtnic cleansing in more than a few countries. The only point I was trying to make is that "Bush's War" is not creating terror. It is attempting to fight it.

Who do you think we are fighting in Iraq? The Republic Guard rogue elements? No, they are freedom fighters/terrorists/guerillas/revolutionaries, just as was done in the 80's in Afghanistan, and they fought back the Soviet Union and contributed,some say, to the decline of Russia.

So here we have another major superpower, embrioled in a fight with those who choose to fight against the US and the stage is Iraq.

and the big question is, if Al-Qeada is not real, who IS bombing the nightclubs and hotels around the world? A group would not claim to be someone they are not, they are looking for exposure.

George W. Bush has done more to harm the reputation of the United States than any other commander in chief. Daddy Bush missed the boat when he had Saddam on the ropes and little Georgie W. thought he would make amends by securing access to the world?s second largest oil reserves. He decided that a ?weapons of mass destruction? strategy would be likely to garner certain world support and so this methodology was employed. When the WMD position was proven to never have had any basis in fact, he conveniently invented a link to terrorism and anyway wasn?t Saddam murdering his own people? The war is simply an arm of American foreign policy with sympathy from 9/11 as the supporting cast. The strategy is: get a foothold in the Middle East, install a sympathetic puppet government, secure access to major oil reserves and over time bring home the benefit to the American consumer and corporation. If the plan B justification was to get rid of the evil Saddam where was/is America with relation to far more murderous African regimes such as those of Edi Amin. Was the lack of an oil bonanza the reason the U.S. didn?t utilize its self-proclaimed role as ?world policeman? there?

Let?s back up a little though and look at some history that I believe sheds some light on the American way. These people who proclaim that freedom is their raison d?etre enslaved and tortured a race of people more efficiently than any other nation in the history of the world. When one of their leaders had the balls to oppose such behaviour they fought a civil war where they brutally murdered, persecuted and raped each other in a colossal exhibition of savagery. As late as the 60?s African Americans were being hung from trees and white Southern Baptists let their children out of Sunday school early so they could take in the lynchings. Mississippi Burning is not that long ago.

Friends have told me to move on from the American Civil War and the slave trade. Get over it they say. Well then let?s move on to WW II . Hitler, a real opponent of freedom was burning, bombing and murdering people in numbers exceeding the millions. While Australians, New Zealanders, Canadians, Brits and other Europeans were defending freedom, where were the Americans? While my father was fighting to protect the values that Yanks hold dear they were home watching the World Series. Not until they were attacked on their own soil did they get off their ass to lend a hand. Hollywood went on to produce films that make it look like the U.S. was the saviour when in fact they were helpful but Johnny-come-latlies.

Much criticism has been pointed at suicide bombers. I am no supporter of terrorists or of such actions in any manner. But is it accurate to say that these people are more cowardly than one who would fly an airplane thousands of feet over Hiroshima or Nagasaki and drop bombs that would melt the skin off of school children and cause their eyes to burn away in their skull while thousands of other innocent people lost their lives? Is it more cowardly than dropping napalm and Agent Orange on Vietnamese children? Where is the line that separates right from wrong? If you fit the definition of defending the American version of freedom then is it ok to employ weapons of mass destruction including those of a chemical nature?

And what is the American version of freedom? Is it the right to create a country whose citizens murder each other at a greater rate than any other western country. Is it the right to create a country whose citizens commit more violent crimes than any other western country, carry more guns, commit more hate crimes, steal more personal property and create cities where ordinary people cannot go out at night because of the ultra dangerous environment? That?s freedom?

The U.S. administration has made a big deal of the 9/11 events. It was a big deal but it needs to be put in perspective. It is out of perspective because Americans were killed on American soil. At 30,000 Iraqi?s killed on Iraqi soil in this latest campaign we would need about 10, 9/11?s to equal that number. Hitler killed the equivalent of about 2000 - 9/11?s. American bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki equalled about 170 - 9/11?s.. The American corporation Union Carbide fatally gassed 20,000 people in Bhopal, India or about 7 ? 9/11?s (admittedly an act of carelessness and not one of aggression). The American media will remind us of 9/11 over and over because it is in their interest to do so. Many other far more serious events will be given much less significant coverage. Likewise 9/11 will continue to be used as justification for cruel and brutal American foreign policy initiatives.

The United States is undisputedly the most powerful nation in the world but it has not exercised its potential in a way that is compassionate and considerate of the people outside the borders of America. It is ignorant of the ways of others and has made little effort to understand that you cannot inflict American culture and its definition of freedom and democracy on the lifestyles of people who come from a completely different background. They need to understand that the ways of others are as important to them as American values are to Americans. The world is not simply out there chomping at the bit waiting for the U.S. to come in and give them 500 channels, a universal remote and access to Super Bowl coverage by February 5.
My daughter recently travelled to Europe and was keen to ensure that her backpack sported a large Canadian flag so that she would not be mistaken for an American. One of her friends was from Boston and she asked my daughter to also send her a Canadian flag so she could disguise herself as a non-American. What a shame I thought - a country with so much potential to do good is further cementing its reputation as a world pariah – arrogant, obnoxious, selfish and in general just greedy and unlikeable. What a shame when young people are ashamed of their country.


[edit on 18-1-2006 by walter32]

Ummmm, excuse me, to all those who still think Bush is some kind of hero trying
to bring peace to the world, I got news for you: ALL the evidence shows that it was Bush and his government that carried out 9/11. Shall I post links?

www.serendipity.li...

www.reopen911.org...

www.martiallaw911.info...

www.infowars.com...

There can be no doubt that Bush AT THE VERY LEAST knew about the attacks.
www.infowars.com...

Dont forget all the pre 9/11 warnings from all over the world.

www.infowars.com...

www.commondreams.org...

www.globalresearch.ca...

www.cooperativeresearch.org...

thewebfairy.com...

I have so much evidence.....

Shall we go into the Bush-Bin Laden connections?

www.infowars.com...

www.infowars.com...

www.scoop.co.nz...

www.tvnewslies.org...

How bout that 7 of the supposed hi-jackers were found ALIVE AND WELL after 9/11, including one who works for Morrocan Airlines today!

www.rense.com...

911review.org...

www.uscrusade.com...

www.allaahuakbar.net...

PLUS, im not done, plus the fact that NORAD stood down on 9/11.

www.prisonplanet.com...

www.rense.com...

www.ratical.org...


Face the facts America, Bush and his government are the real terrorist. They have passed laws that gut the constitution, laws such as the Patriot Act....

www.epic.org...

www.prleap.com...

Dont forget about the Patriot Act 2, which alsolutely destroys the constition.

www.eff.org...

Thank God that legislation hasnt passed....yet.

The War on Terrorism is really the War of Conquest. They planned to attack areas in the middle east long before 9/11.

www.newamericancentury.org...

www.nadir.org...

www.informationclearinghouse.info...

www.commondreams.org...

www.globalpolicy.org...

www.the7thfire.com...


The proof is overwhelming: Bush and his masters used 9/11 as the pretext to launch their War of Imperialism. The facts are the facts. If you still believe CNN and FOX (all controlled by your government), then what can I say....go fight the war.

Originally posted by LetKnowledgeDrop
Ummmm, excuse me, to all those who still think Bush is some kind of hero trying
to bring peace to the world, I got news for you: ALL the evidence shows that it was Bush and his government that carried out 9/11. Shall I post links?

www.serendipity.li...

www.reopen911.org...

www.martiallaw911.info...

www.infowars.com...

There can be no doubt that Bush AT THE VERY LEAST knew about the attacks.
www.infowars.com...

Dont forget all the pre 9/11 warnings from all over the world.

www.infowars.com...

www.commondreams.org...

www.globalresearch.ca...

www.cooperativeresearch.org...

thewebfairy.com...

I have so much evidence.....

Shall we go into the Bush-Bin Laden connections?

www.infowars.com...

www.infowars.com...

www.scoop.co.nz...

www.tvnewslies.org...

How bout that 7 of the supposed hi-jackers were found ALIVE AND WELL after 9/11, including one who works for Morrocan Airlines today!

www.rense.com...

911review.org...

www.uscrusade.com...

www.allaahuakbar.net...

PLUS, im not done, plus the fact that NORAD stood down on 9/11.

www.prisonplanet.com...

www.rense.com...

www.ratical.org...


Face the facts America, Bush and his government are the real terrorist. They have passed laws that gut the constitution, laws such as the Patriot Act....

www.epic.org...

www.prleap.com...

Dont forget about the Patriot Act 2, which alsolutely destroys the constition.

www.eff.org...

Thank God that legislation hasnt passed....yet.

The War on Terrorism is really the War of Conquest. They planned to attack areas in the middle east long before 9/11.

www.newamericancentury.org...

www.nadir.org...

www.informationclearinghouse.info...

www.commondreams.org...

www.globalpolicy.org...

www.the7thfire.com...


The proof is overwhelming: Bush and his masters used 9/11 as the pretext to launch their War of Imperialism. The facts are the facts. If you still believe CNN and FOX (all controlled by your government), then what can I say....go fight the war.

Yo that's are some sites to be read by the ATS readers infact go to this site aswell www.thetruthseeker.co.uk...
tells you allot of the truth around the world and especially about the Illuminatia and Freemason activities around the world don't let your childern trun into slaves of the elites of the world Read rather Than watch corrupt news that is filterd around the world.

To all ATS Members watch the Video
watch this video about 9/11 the truth.
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