Is it possible that a Human is god itself?

ok, i'm not a philosopher, i'm just asking a question

imagine, there is no limits what a human can create, seriously, humans achieve anything they want, so what if a human has evolved so much into the future that it can do anything it wants? control the universe(earth anyway) from the future? change events, decide where do souls go when people die? God's system is very like our system, be good, you'll be good, be bad go to prison to suffer!, god doesn't like to give information and him/her self, aren't humans the same? CIA for example, so i think God and his company, are like CIA of the future, that are so evolved, that they control past, they know everything, they can do anything, they are almighty

well that's what i thought

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Well I would believe that if such a man were to exist, he would have long ago freed himself from the confines of a physical body. I believe in spirits, so I think that as a form of energy and using his thought/concentration/powers this man could do it yes.

[Edited on 13-8-2003 by Megalodon]

Quantum physics would prove it by "many world" idea where in an infinite universe every possible outcome can and does exist. Just a giant web branching from each choice where you are only in perception of one but all the others are also going too. Essentially you've already gone full cycle too and have done what you will do already.

Another way you might see it is that infinity is all within but also comes from 0 and 1. From this you get phi and within phi is all. Phi can be seen as the "Word" of God and is the language in which it is written. It is the most irrational number yet has cycles and patterns within it that make up the univers from us to flowers to trees and planets rotation, etc. But still just 0 and 1. I could go on for days, but look it up to know more and enjoy!!

You can also say that since God is all and therefore is 1 complete yet represents everything devided at the same time. So our perception is really the perception of God experiencing itself through the many. This is the reason why we should treat everyone like they are ourselves, which they are. We just experience the world, which is also God and Me and You, one viewpoint at a time. So the next time you see anyone, treat them as if you already know them, because you do. They are you and you are them, you have just forgot. We are supposed to be enjoying ourselves talking and sharing the differences of our perception with each other. I could keep going for a while, but I think that should get ya going!

There is a song by Bob Marley called "Get Up Stand Up" Seldom has the Rasta ethos been spelled out with greater sagacity, yet the theme transcends all religious and political boundaries.

I think that God in beyond infinite and by definition such a state would by its very nature, present God from the perspective of a finite being. An existence as all things means everywhere which includes this form of being.

By no means am I implying this as a restriction.

The 0 and the 1. Read this and let me know what you think. If you don't want to read the whole thing then I would at least read all of "GOD-BODY's" writings on the subject. His posts don't start until the 9th or 10th reply.


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[Edited on 13-8-2003 by Tamahu]

I just skimmed it for now but will get back to it again later. God-Body's obviously found himself within the WAY. Did you participate in that too? It is the best trip everyone can take to nowhere that's for sure. Once you realize you have to get lost to find your way, you can't help but wonder how you could ever lose everything that you never had and always is. One will sometimes forget that there is only ever one, and it came from nothing, everything else is just a version of it. It seemed that some still couldn't see it though because they still were looking to hard. Then again if you could explain to someone how to actually find nothing without it being them who finds it, that would certainly be something now wouldn't it.

We are all part of God. We all have the Holy Spirit within us.

God has given us the means to do anything we put our soul into.

We and everything around us are God.

And we're physically seperated from God, the flesh instinctly knows only what it senses.

God chucked us out of the Garden of Eden lest we ate from the Tree of Knowledge again and became immortal.

If we were Gods wouldn't we be able to choose to be immortal?

We are all immortal. Our spirit lasts forever.

We created god because we needed a explanation for things that we did not understand. You can tell that we created god by that before a few thousand years ago their was no mention of god. Also who says god is the "one". Some tribes in other countries believe they come from trees or the clowds. Who is to say that they are wrong. All people know that we created what we believe in, they are just afraid to admit it.

There is a lot of effort right now going into developing intelligent and emtotional robots and/or software agents... Scientists talk about simulating nerve cells etc... Well if we can "create" beings like ourselves doesn't that make us God, at least a personal God to the robots that get developed?

The Books "Do Andriods Dream of Electric Sheep" comes to mind...

This brings up another question: if we are Gods, is it possible that just as we are Gods, God is God? Maybe we were just a science project too??!!

-JAH

["One will sometimes forget that there is only ever one, and it came from nothing"]

It's not that "it" came from nothing but that "it" has always been here.
Not possible to wrap the conscious mind around.
You can go insane trying though.



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[Edited on 14-8-2003 by Tamahu]

Exactly!! Another important point is that since "it" always was, always is and always will be, "it" therefore defines "itself" which makes "it" undefinable.

Some of the old Masters said it best with:

THE EMBODIMENT OF TAO

Even the finest teaching is not the Tao itself.
Even the finest name is insufficient to define it.

Without words, the Tao can be experienced,
and without a name, it can be known.

To conduct one's life according to the Tao,
is to conduct one's life without regrets;
to realize that potential within oneself
which is of benefit to all.

Through knowledge, intellectual thought and words,
the manifestations of the Tao are known,
but without such intellectual intent
we might experience the Tao itself.

There is a song by Bob Marley called "Get Up Stand Up" Seldom has the Rasta ethos been spelled out with greater sagacity, yet the theme transcends all religious and political boundaries.

The lyrics you speak of, correct me if I'm wrong, are as follows

We sick and tired of your ism schism game
Die and go to heaven ina Jesus' Name. Lord
We know and we understand.
That Mighty God is a living man.

You can fool some people sometime
but you cant fool all the people all the time.
So now you see the light.
Stand up for your right.*
Deep**

*- plus a little Rasta speak 'mon
**Stealing one of the Colonel's idioms i believe

I like that. Is that from the Tao Te Ching?

Zazen is the best way to develope the "unconscious" mind and experience The All as opposed to trying to consciously attain it; but it can be very difficult.

I think Bob Marley was refering to Emporer Haille Selassie in that song. I thought he was talking about the original man/people at first and then realized that Rastas recognize Haille Sellasie as an incarnation of Jah or the second coming of Jesus; but correct me if I'm wrong.



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Yes, Ball that is the correct one.

Tamahu you will find that in the Egyptian Book of the dead many names of people and cities are repeated, with exception of one "Rasta" which is only said once.

This would be in the Negative confession.

So while yes there is a connection between the rastafarians and Haille Selassie the meaning goes
well beyond that.

Originally posted by JustAnotherHologram
There is a lot of effort right now going into developing intelligent and emtotional robots and/or software agents... Scientists talk about simulating nerve cells etc... Well if we can "create" beings like ourselves doesn't that make us God, at least a personal God to the robots that get developed?

The Books "Do Andriods Dream of Electric Sheep" comes to mind...

This brings up another question: if we are Gods, is it possible that just as we are Gods, God is God? Maybe we were just a science project too??!!

-JAH

But we aren't able to create anything ourselves. That is to say, we have to start with that which God has already made.

The best we can hope for is to someday have a government that doesn't spend most of our money, and for someone to stumble across a cure for the common cold. If we were God-material, do you think our associate potential -gods would "create" items like public sinks with automatic shutoff water knobs that turn off before you can even get your hands wet? Or are these sick people the Satan-Humans?

JAH (nice acronym)

Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep
loosely --------> Blade Runner

Super Toys Last All Summer Long
-------> Kubrick --------> Spielberg ---------> A.I.

But you know that already I'm sure.


No doubt homo sapiens is not far from creating cyber-entities, which will have protected rights, and which will reproduce asexually and evolve through 'unnatural selection'.

In the 'creation' sense of being 'Gods', definitely the case, and no disused body parts a la Frankenstein.

Brave New World, yes.

But will these entities regard homo sapiens as God?

I doubt it.

Interesting to consider your position on this issue taking into account historical alien influences on human evolution, as well.

I forgot to mention that the Khemetians called certain men gods. This practice carried over to the Rastafarian culture, as well as the Nation of Islam. Here's an interesting take on the Jah subject. Not my own words just so you know.


["Ras Tafari as I said before has its roots in the Ethiopian Coptic church. The nation of Ethiopia is the modern day Kush. The Habiru who are the people spoken of in the old testiment and the followers of YHVH, or Yah-Kub are originally a group from Kush. If anyone is familiar with some of my and other posters prior posts on the origin of wh1t people you will know that the the wh1ts are the descendants of a group of these Habiru(hebrew) Ku#es who followed the strictest of marriage and birth laws of their tribal leader/god YHVH. Evidence of this can be seen by the similarity between the charectoristics of most modern day Ethiopians and wh1ts. Ie Nose, hair, bone structure etc. Not to mention that the most recent genetic experiments and inquirys link them to the people of this region.

The Rasta follow the culture of Yah(Jah), but I often wonder if they are aware of what he has done to bring about the current groups of races and our current world situation. The cultural practices they follow can be positive, Ie the nutritional practice, and back to natural living bit. The question is are they following Yah-Kub, or are they following the principle expressed by the term Yah, which is the genrative principle, or the phallic principle. Yah by itself is the phallic principle of generative power. I have yet to meet a brother knowledgeable enough in this culture to discuss wether it is Yah alone they follow or if it is Yah-Kub or YHVH(Yah Hova).

Either one wouldnt suprise me, as a large majority of the world worships YHVH in one form or the other.

Many of them who adamently follow the Maroon and rebel slave culture definitely dont have much love for YT.


The Fard Muhammed bit in the NOI is very perplexing to most. Farrakhan, I dont know about, some of his actions seem a bit off to me. But Elijah, was on the money.

Fard Muhammed, is said to be God in Person. This is tantamount to saying God in the Flesh, or God in the Person of. When they Say "God in the Person of" it is saying that this "person" is representing the power and principle of God. THey are not saying that this is the All in All god, but simply a messenger or example of the principle. As a matter of fact is you read message to the black man, it clearly states that god is the original b1ack man. Fard is called God in the person because he was chosen to bring the message over to b1ack folk here in the US, and was the founder of the movement here. The practice of calling one God in the Person is an ancient one and is in line with the God King titles of Khmt(Egypt), Kush, and the like. One would attain this level of existence in which they were given this title. They in essence would be one among the "We" that is god, a representative or example of the force and will of god on earth. This goes for Haile Selassie as well.

Among the original people, who as a whole are the God force on earth, there would be one, or one group that would embody the principle moreso than the others. This one, or ones in the group are given this title as the leaders of the group, and serve as an example for all others who want to attain this level or degree of "Godhood". Those who attain this are thus included in the "We" and "Us" that is referred to in scriptures. Our educational system, or mystery schools were designed for the purpose of Raising "man" to "Godhood". Thus the symbolism of resurrection, or bringing the dead to life. This is the principle that is expressed in the Masonic ritual as well. The masonic ritual being a form of this ancient practice of Raising men, morally, mentally, and spiritually.

Fard was raised in this way. He went through the necessary training and degrees of the remnants of the original mystery schools, and brought this info and teaching of Raising the original people of this region to the US.

The term God as applying to something other than "raised" men is a very recent practice, and before certain priesthoods started teaching that "God" exists somewhere in heaven, the term always applied to men and women on the Higher or elevated plain of existence. Fard is given the respect in the NOI of being the first among the b1acks of america, and of founding the NOI. His being mixed was a tactic to get the information of here unobstructed.

Fard is/was an example for the potential that all the original people have to achieve their long lost state of Godliness. This is the same principle that applied to the Xstian Jesus. They are examples of a potential state of being that all can attain if they struggle hard enough."]



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