Where have I seen this symbol before...

Originally posted by akilles
It looks ALOT more like a fly, than the 'downward descending Holy Spirit' which doesn't make sense any way, because the Holy Spirit is all around us, not above us.

I can see how it can look like a fly.

The descending bit is usually explained as representing the pentecostal spirit descending upon the apostles. Also, if the spirit is in heaven, then it has to desecend to get to earth.

Shekinah.

Whoa. Good point. Shekinah is Yahweh's consort. In the trinity, its the father, the son, and the 'spirit'. The spirit could be the femal consort, and a dove repsenting that makes quite a bit of sense. Interesting.

makeitso
the Heilig-Geist(holy ghost) church was finally constructed 1327

Intruiging, and here we have confirmation of the dove/spirit association, pointed downwards in flight in descent nonetheless, in the middle ages.

sebatwerk
The All-seeing-eye with rays of lights coming from it has been a symbol representative of deity, which has been used by MANY organizations for a lon time.

Indeed, if this symbol in the pic is original, or a reproduction, then it far predates masonry.


It is difficult to say what the statue is, but it looks like a person with a sceptre and baby. Below is a statue that might be a similar one, also in munich.

Its a statue of mary.

The same site for that image notes that this churches

facade is Neo-Gothic and was re-done in 1888.

So that might include the engarving of the descending dove then.

[edit on 18-6-2005 by Nygdan]

google 'HOly ghost church munich"

You can see a papal mitre in gold too. Atop a tree, which is interesting.

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Something weird going on in that town!

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Definitly.


Here's a full building view, for what its worth
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To sum it up:

TO THE GREATER GOD'S GLORY

In other words, its Isis, with babe. I tried to take it slow, but no... Idol worship. Plain and symbol. Putting it on a church is no less sacreligious, even if it was formerly a site dedicated to Gothic goddess worship.

I dont think that insect in the fresco/sculpture below is a Fly, it might be a BEE.

Bee www.christiansymbols.net...

The bee is symbolic of tireless activity. It represents a good work ethic and being diligent at it’s task. Because the worker bees are “virgins” it is symbolic of virginity/chastity. Because the bee appears to die in the winter and re-appear in the summer, it can symbolize rebirth. The bee’s hard work is connected to the beehive, which symbolizes order. The bee represents the Christian and the beehive then symbolizes the church. Legend also suggests that bees never sleep, thus it is a symbol of vigilance.

Usually the HIVE is used for bee symbolism.

Or a honeycomb.

Or the QUEEN. As in this case. Its a fly/dove.

Neither has entirely positive connotations, and interestingly, that is what we find with these veiled aspects of Goddess worship as well, that the negative connotations are effectively hidden away (ignored, pretend it doesn't exist, etc.)

I dont kno about you guys, but im not gonna lie. When i first looked at the original pictures i thought it looked like the NBC symbol. Conspiracy? Thats up to you to decide.

Wait, wait, wait...

NBC? The television network!?

Originally posted by akilles
TO THE GREATER GOD'S GLORY

Actually youre wrong. It translates to "In the greater glory of God".

I tried to take it slow, but no... Idol worship. Plain and symbol.

Do you ALWAYS see evil and nefariousness in EVERYTHING!?!? Good God man, do you EVER see things for what they are? It's the Virgin mary and baby Jesus, troll. You're sick dude, just sick.


[edit on 20-6-2005 by sebatwerk]

Originally posted by sebatwerk

Originally posted by NuTroll
im sorry, i meant the scot rite symbol. perhaps my geometry is off but it looks like it to me (the angle going into the triangle that looks like someone took a slice out of the sun symbol surrounding the triangle)

What I'm trying to say is that is not a MASONIC symbol. The All-seeing-eye with rays of lights coming from it has been a symbol representative of deity, which has been used by MANY organizations for a lon time.

im not talking about the eye. im talking about 33* of sun missing right below it. I agree the eye predates masonry even though they do use it now.

Originally posted by NuTroll

Originally posted by sebatwerk
What I'm trying to say is that is not a MASONIC symbol. The All-seeing-eye with rays of lights coming from it has been a symbol representative of deity, which has been used by MANY organizations for a lon time.

im not talking about the eye. im talking about 33* of sun missing right below it.

The piece of sun is missing below the eye because that is where the stand for the sculpture is! How else would they fix that to the roof of the church!?!?

I don't think they put as much thought into that stuff when they built it as you guys are putting into it now.