US admits it used napalm bombs in Iraq

No, sorry, it was beneath me.

And any sane individual here.

Hey, lets knock off the individual attacks and keep it at generalistic inuendos, please. This will be a civilized war of words or else I'll use my mod powers and nuke the thread!

I think you should napalm it!

Thomas

On the basis that the other member mentioned he rates one million Iraqi lives as less valuable than one American one, that is blatant racism, against any principles of good taste and sensibility, contrary to the rules of ATS and ought to have consequences.

Quite happy for you to intervene.

Does race define a country? Is everyone in America White? Is everyone in china of Chinese descent? Silly post..

No, I don't think Gore's intent was to make a racist remark, and while I do not agree with the actual terms as I don't want any innocent people harmed in any way, I understand what he means, and he doesn't mean it to be racist. As a matter of fact, I imagine that big bag of hot air would risk his own life to save an Iraqi woman or child who was in harm's way. In other words, he's full of it, and he knows it!

Originally posted by MaskedAvatar
Thomas

On the basis that the other member mentioned he rates one million Iraqi lives as less valuable than one American one, that is blatant racism, against any principles of good taste and sensibility, contrary to the rules of ATS and ought to have consequences.

Quite happy for you to intervene.

I dunno, MA...
It sounds more like nationalism than racism to me.
In general, I don't want to see anyone die.
But,
if it comes down to a choice between American lives and the lives of the military trying to kill American soldiers...
I'm going the red, white & blue all the damn way.

I may not like our gov't, but that doesn't mean I'm not in support of my countrymen.

-B.

I think that "Thomas" and "Gore" are burning crosses together in white robes..

Dudes! You are from KKK!

I wonder what will happen now....

Originally posted by Uninen
I think that "Thomas" and "Gore" are burning crosses together in white robes..

Dudes! You are from KKK!

Dude.
Shut up.
That was NOT cool.
Do you have anything worthwhile to contribute to this thread? If not, you may want to go find an old FM post to spout your crap.

-B.

Originally posted by Uninen
I think that "Thomas" and "Gore" are burning crosses together in white robes..

Dudes! You are from KKK!

You know, I see you put a smiley face there, and that's a good thing as I don't take too kindly to being called a racist or a bigot. If you knew my past history, you'd probably feel a bit embarrassed about the joke, especially as I don't see how it fits in with the thread.

But since you put the smiley face in the post, I'll refrin from trouncing you.

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne : I planned on staying out of this fray, but the self-righteous garbage has finally worn me down.

�Humanity? Who was it that wanted to talk humanity? You want to talk humanity, talk to the people that survived the domestic gassing by Hussein, the tortures, rapes and beatings inflicted upon the citizenry by these "humane" soldiers, and then go talk to the Kuwaitis who remember the polite occupation a little over a decade ago. �

The extrajudicial argument, interesting : �The Iraqis are so evil that we need to bring them painful death� . Or what other objective do you pursue with that remark ?

Humanity? Humane is getting the war finished and get it finished darned-well quick-like. Humane is both protecting the infrastructure (that is to say, not blowing all the bridges into space with HE rounds) and at the same time running like Hell to keep the troops from turning the civilian population of Baghdad into a huge hostage scene.

The hypocritical salami-slice argument : Oh what a shame, someone declared war on Iraq, we must finish it quickly. As I pointed out to Valhall in the other thread, it is not because a tortionnary chooses a method of torture that is �nicer� than the one he could have used, that he is less a criminal tortionnary. Also, defeating iraqis was obviously not that extremely hard and dangerous for US troops that it couldn�t have been done without Napalm, an unnecessary and bestial method of killing, intended not on strategical or military rationale and necessity, but on �psychological impact�, another denomination for �Terror�.

And, if you want to show a more "civilized" war from previous recent history, go ahead. WWI? Maybe II? No, they were brutal and horrific. Absolute firestorms were inflicted upon both German and Japanese cities, but that's ok as that was for other reasons, right? No, this war on Terror is mostly for the U.S. citizenry, so we are expected to fight IAW your beliefs, right? I wonder how it'll be if the day ever comes that you whiners' nations are attacked, either by vicious terror attacks that kill thousands and cripple your economy for years, or even yet, a "civilized" neighbor brutally attacks your "civilized" nation. I'll bet the song you sing to us won't be one of peace, love and harmony.

The argument of moral relativism : �all wars are evil, so what�s the problem if we do something evil� ? You are missing the point. Using todays legal technology military objectives can be met without infringing international humanitarian agreements. The EU has demonstrates this in all conflicts they have been involved. Using Napalm was a conscious choice by the US-American policymakers, not something given by god. There are people responsible for that choice and unnecessary suffering.

If you little soft, snivling whimps think a handful of fuel/air bombs on military targets are horrific, you should still be gnashing your teeth over the Twin Tower attacks. Wait a minute, did you shed a tear for our fallen, or did you immediately turn to page "You Brought It Upon Yourselves" in your Hate America hymnals?

Why are we wimps ? Because we understand the need for the rule of law ? I would rather say that is the characteristic of people who are courageous and who understand how society works. For example, if someone was to kill a distant cousin of yours, you still aren�t in the right to torture that guy to death, and that for very good reason. BTW, 9/11 has nothing to do with Iraq, nothing at all.

M-A, you've forgotten short-term history, there's no use in trying to discuss long-term history (which I noticed you skirted around it, anyway.)

The notion isn't revenge, the War on Terror. The notion is, we finally awakened from our decades long nap, realizing that all the time these folks said they wanted us dead and that they were declaring war on us, they were serious. It is to win the war that has been brought to us, not to take an eye for an eye. We'll either totally destroy them, or we'll beat them so badly that they will realize we are serious and will forget about continuing the war. The enemy has no respect for weakness or wimpiness. Almost ten years of lack of spine got us here, we now must fight.

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
M-A, you've forgotten short-term history, there's no use in trying to discuss long-term history (which I noticed you skirted around it, anyway.)

What you talkin' about Willis?

In amongst your Mod peacekeeping duties and defense of the indefensible, have you forgotten for a moment to whom you are addressing historical debates?

To assist in future, my stuff is generally in the 'here and now' and 'where to' space, not often historical, but I really enjoy people bringing the historical perspective to important topics.

I just wanted to check though that you weren't talking to me.

Weer you talkin' to me? Yeah, you. I heard you. You were laughin' at me, weren't you. Yes, you. I heard you laugh. Etc etc, ad infinitum.

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
No, I don't think Gore's intent was to make a racist remark, and while I do not agree with the actual terms as I don't want any innocent people harmed in any way, I understand what he means, and he doesn't mean it to be racist. As a matter of fact, I imagine that big bag of hot air would risk his own life to save an Iraqi woman or child who was in harm's way. In other words, he's full of it, and he knows it!

It kinda fits to this..

And NAPALM.. or being burnt to deaht is the MOST HORRIBLE way to die.. just think for a moment..

Yeah, I'm talkin' to you, mistah!

As far as humanity goes, that was the most humane war ever fought. It wrote the book on humane. The only way it could have been more humane is if rifles fired rock-candy and bubblegum instead of lead!

As far as the Baghdad connection, that was made long before we knew we were going into Iraq (officially, that is. We all suspected it early on.). As a matter of fact, it was foreign intelligence services that made it, I believe the French. BTW, remember the passenger liner training camp in the desert? Or did Saddam merely agree to hold it for Momar for a few years after Reagan sent him running into the desert, wearing a dress (Momar in a dress, that is, not Reagan)?

Dudes! You are from KKK

Dude! You come from left field!
Please do not associate me with a bunch of cowardly, racist rednecks. Wherever the hell you're from (drawing from your grammar), here in America you'll catch an a$$ beating for comments like that.

And btw, if they were using napalm bombs, we're talking instant incineration. No pain. See, we're not THAT bad.

Originally posted by goregrinder

Dudes! You are from KKK

Dude! You come from left field!
Please do not associate me with a bunch of cowardly, racist rednecks. Wherever the hell you're from (drawing from your grammar), here in America you'll catch an a$$ beating for comments like that.

Ha-Ha.. I heard this thing that US Mafia scene is now days ruled by my friend from Russia.. "a$$ beating" is nothing to us.. it just gives good start for a day.. like the sun was shining.. same effect..

Every where i go, i got people i know, who got people they know.. so i suggest that you lay low..

I like it best as General S Patton put it, "You dont win a war by sending some dumb Ba$#%$# to die for your country, you win a war by killing the dumb Ba$#%$# who is dying for his country." Hey at least we didnt give em what they deserve and nuke their butts!