U.S. Airstrikes Kill About 40 Insurgents

BAGHDAD, Iraq - U.S. fighter planes equipped with precision-guided missiles launched airstrikes on an Iraqi town near the Syrian border Saturday, killing about 40 insurgents who were stopping and searching civilian cars, the military said.

Seven missiles were fired at heavily armed insurgents near Karabilah, close to the volatile town of Qaim, the Marines said in a statement.
Link:
www.yahoo.com...=X3o'___'B2MXQ5MTU3BF9TAzI3MTYxNDkEdGVzdAMwBHRtcGwDaW5kZXgtaWU-/s/135783/*news.yahoo.com.../ap/2005061 1/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_airstrike

why don't they close down the border in Syria already if thats were the insurgence are coming from. the Syrian gorvernment is probably bankrolling most of this with help from Iran, Saudi Arabia time to clamp down on em boys


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Insurgents in Iraq Go on Weekend Killing Spree, at Least 35 Dead
here is some more on the insurgence that are causing trouble in Iraq
Link:

ap.tbo.com...
www.yahoo.com...=X3o'___'B2MXQ5MTU3BF9TAzI3MTYxNDkEdGVzdAMwBHRtcGwDaW5kZXgtaWU-/s/135783/*news.yahoo.com.../ap/2005061 1/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq

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In the midst of all the bombings and killing of terrorists at least 25 Korans were blown to smitherenes. A good way to kill two birds with one stone.

Originally posted by csulli456
In the midst of all the bombings and killing of terrorists at least 25 Korans were blown to smitherenes. A good way to kill two birds with one stone.

and y doesn't the muslium world don't start yellin gaobut those korans being destory???

kill the terrorists! They are just taking away innocent civillians' lives.

Originally posted by ulshadow

Originally posted by csulli456
In the midst of all the bombings and killing of terrorists at least 25 Korans were blown to smitherenes. A good way to kill two birds with one stone.

and y doesn't the muslium world don't start yellin gaobut those korans being destory???

Um,maybe he was just kidding...

Did they check if the 'insurgents' had their 'Iraqi Insurgency Membership Card' with them or did they just bomb 40 people and are hoping they got a few insurgents amongst the rest, knowing full well that most Americans don't care?

Originally posted by TheShroudOfMemphis

Did they check if the 'insurgents' had their 'Iraqi Insurgency Membership Card' with them or did they just bomb 40 people and are hoping they got a few insurgents amongst the rest, knowing full well that most Americans don't care?

Membership to be an insurgent??, exactly what are you talking about??

Im not going to start an argue so could I somehow persuade you not to ignite one?? Their are plenty of threads with flaming back and forth, lets try not to start another

Originally posted by finnman68
Insurgents in Iraq Go on Weekend Killing Spree, at Least 35 Dead
here is some more on the insurgence that are causing trouble in Iraq
Link:

ap.tbo.com...
www.yahoo.com...=X3o'___'B2MXQ5MTU3BF9TAzI3MTYxNDkEdGVzdAMwBHRtcGwDaW5kZXgtaWU-/s/135783/*news.yahoo.com.../ap/2005061 1/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq

[edit on 11-6-2005 by finnman68]

Their getting a bit desperate. It wasn't long ago when a report was released about insurgents forcing civilians to become suicide bombers.

Im sorry if this offends anyone but Muslim fanatics are really starting to sound like Japans empire from 1930 to 1945; in certain point of view.

Originally posted by evanfitz

Originally posted by TheShroudOfMemphis

Did they check if the 'insurgents' had their 'Iraqi Insurgency Membership Card' with them or did they just bomb 40 people and are hoping they got a few insurgents amongst the rest, knowing full well that most Americans don't care?

Membership to be an insurgent??, exactly what are you talking about??

Im not going to start an argue so could I somehow persuade you not to ignite one?? Their are plenty of threads with flaming back and forth, lets try not to start another

Well, we get reports all the time from US press saying '40 insurgents killed' and watch how the war supports start cheering at the acomplishment, but, how do they know who they've killed? How do you define an insurgent in a crowd of civillians? General Franks said that the US don't do body counts on anyone except US deaths, so how do you know who's been killed?
Simply put, because they say they killed 40 insurgents doesn't mean they didn't kill 20 civilians aswell or that 20 of those 'insurgents' were actually civilians themselves.
Surely the US military aren't going to come out and say 'we killed 20 insurgents and 20 civilians, but hey, we got 20 insurgents!', considering they don't do body counts it would be much easier to just say they killed 40 insurgents and let Patriotism blind any deep thought into what actually took place.

The reason i asked did they have their 'insurgent membership cards' was because how do they identify who they've killed when a majority of these killings are done via air raids?

Operations by U.S. and multinational forces and Iraqi police are killing twice as many Iraqis - most of them civilians - as attacks by insurgents, according to statistics compiled by the Iraqi Health Ministry

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While most of the dead are believed to be civilians, the data include an unknown number of police and Iraqi national guardsmen. Many Iraqi deaths, especially of insurgents, are never reported, so the actual number of Iraqis killed in fighting could be significantly higher.

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Iraqi officials said the statistics proved that U.S. airstrikes intended for insurgents also were killing large numbers of innocent civilians.

www.notinourname.net...

When the .gov announces they've killed "40 insurgents", I suspect what it really means is we attacked suspected insurgents, and killed 40 people. I'd be suprised if a good number of those people weren't just bystanders who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. It would fit the established pattern...

Insurgents or not. If they were armed with the weapons that they were reported to have had. Then they were fair game if they didn't lay down their weapons. Thats if they were asked in the first place.

I think if it was just civilians with rifles, we would not have heard about in the news. Maybe, just maybe they did kill that amount of insurgents.

Originally posted by Bikereddie
Insurgents or not. If they were armed with the weapons that they were reported to have had. Then they were fair game if they didn't lay down their weapons. Thats if they were asked in the first place.

I think if it was just civilians with rifles, we would not have heard about in the news. Maybe, just maybe they did kill that amount of insurgents.

But guns aren't illegal in Iraq at all.
Even under Saddam i think it was legal for each household to have an AK-47.
Under US occupation your allowed to carry a gun if you've registered it with the US and really, who wouldn't be carrying a gun if they were able too?

You can't just shoot people who have guns or fire into a crowd if one person shoots at you. That' the excessive force the US are being blamed for which is why they aren't getting support from Iraqi's.

The Gun Lobbies in America will bend over backwards to show that the people of the US deserve to be able to carry and possess guns and they constantly reference the 'right to bare arms' and if there was ever an uprising or a revolution that this very right will be what saves America from a dictatorship or invading force.

So why expect the average Iraqi to leave his gun at home in a situation which if it occured in America, would be the very reason why gun supporters demand the right to have guns?

What do you propose we go down there and ask them whoever is insurgent line up over here and civilians line up over there? C'mon, if they have guns and masks and are stopping cars at checkpoints I find it hard to believe they are anything but insurgents.

Originally posted by WestPoint23
What do you propose we go down there and ask them whoever is insurgent line up over here and civilians line up over there? C'mon, if they have guns and masks and are stopping cars at checkpoints I find it hard to believe they are anything but insurgents.

Oh, so they all wear 'masks', that's how you tell them apart! Righteo. Tell the fighter pilot to aim at the Iraqi's wearing masks. Rodger that.

Do some research, the invading force is responsable for TWICE the amount of innocent deaths than the amount caused by any insurgency in Iraq. (the link to this has already been posted in a previous thread but it's not hard to google)

You killing 2 for 1 - you'll never end a war with these statistics. Who knows what the ratio of enemies/per death your creating.

Excessive force is what most US forces in Iraq are known for and adding that with a general lack of respect for the people, the war is already lost.

There's no such thing as freedom and liberty at the barrel of a gun.

If an invading force killed your father, would you grow up with respect for that country and not want revenge? If it was the dictator of your country who killed your father, then you could uprise and join a revolution. Instead of having a revolution just like America had when it earned it's freedom, we're going to have kids growing up who want to vent their rage on another country and more innocent people will die because of it.

Can't you see the circle that's being created?

Originally posted by finnman68
BAGHDAD, Iraq - U.S. fighter planes equipped with precision-guided missiles launched airstrikes on an Iraqi town near the Syrian border Saturday, killing about 40 insurgents who were stopping and searching civilian cars, the military said.

Oh, it must have been those special new top secret anti-insurgent guided missiles I was reading about.

Originally posted by finnman68
BAGHDAD, Iraq - U.S. fighter planes equipped with precision-guided missiles launched airstrikes on an Iraqi town near the Syrian border Saturday, killing about 40 insurgents who were stopping and searching civilian cars, the military said.

In military math, 40 insurgents = 1 guy with a weapon, a dozen civilians, 2 camels, and a dog.

Again people criticize and blame yet don't come up with alternative solutions, just the same old BS.

Originally posted by WestPoint23
Again people criticize and blame yet don't come up with alternative solutions, just the same old BS.

Precision strikes, doing away with wanton bombing, special forces, better intelligence etc etc would all help to stop the US from targetting and killing innocents.

It seems like many patriots have the mentality of "Let God sort 'em out." As if we are doing the Iraqis a favor by blowing them to smitereens after we invaded to protect them from a leader who did much of the same. If Saddam bombed a city and killed 20 of his enemies the civilians he killed would become proof positive of his monstrocity. In fact it was examples such as this which (partly) justified the US's invasion of Iraq. Its a double standard.

Precision strikes, doing away with wanton bombing, special forces, better intelligence etc etc would all help to stop the US from targetting and killing innocents.

Are you kidding me? 70% of the ammunitions dropped on Iraq were precision guided and there are so many SF units in there its hard to keep track of me. Not to mention that were doing the best we can at gathering intelligence.
No matter how many PGM’s you use or how good you intelligence is civilian casualties will always happen in a war especially when the enemy fights from schools, mosque's and dresses like the population.