Magical Egypt

Does anybody know if this documentary is any good? I know it's going to be "out there" since John Anthony West is involved...but it still looks entertaining.

Better than anything with Zahi Hawass.

Aiwaz uuh , I mean Hawass. That guy is determined to make sure everyone believes the Pyramids are just physical structures built as tombs or markers, or some other act of ego, which is why he can use it to inflate his ego when talking about it.

He is the kind of guy that when he says Egyptologist, you just want to puke because of how he has twisted the meaning of the word. It now means that you are a part of a profession, keeping a lie, and your living, alive.

It does not mean trying to question if what we know about Ancient Egypt is entirely correct, or if it is correct at all, it does not mean accepting possibilities such as The Great Pyramid as used for ritual, and initiation, and much much more.

It does not even recognize the truths in Egyptian religion, because that would expose far too many people's influences, now wouldn't it (Star Wars cough*).

What is it about Egypt? I can't imagine a single child who wasn't fascinated by Ancient Egypt, hell I wanted to be an Egyptologist for 2 years. It can't just be the pyramids, I mean huge monolithic structures were built all over the world; I don't understand the allure of Egypt yet I still plan to visit before I die.

When is this going to be on? It sounds like it can be interesting. I mean, the pyramids are incredible structures so they have a lot to work with. A link to more information would be nice although I'm going to do a google search right now to see what I can dig up.

Edit: I see that it's a DVD. I'll probably pick it up when I get some extra cash/see if I can get it from netflix.

[edit on 6/11/2005 by neosnightmare]

Why dopeople have such an obsession with Egypt? Is it because of the science,astronomy or is it that you feel captivated by the religion. Does this mean that their religion is true?

For me, the allure of Egypt has had me studying it for quite a few years...

It's not just the mummies, the Pyramids or even just their religion: For me, it's been the way they lived their lives...The more I learned, the more that I came to realize that the Egyptians were living in such luxury & leisure (Compared to other nations at that time) that they were quite happy & content with their lives.

Consider how much emphasis they placed upon their funerary procedures & how much thought & philosophy they put into death & the afterlife: They were so content with their lives that they postulated an afterlife that would be much the same as when they lived...To them, that was the greatest afterlife reward possible!

Every nation has it's up-n-downs though...Egypt did have its "Intermediate Periods" in which the rulership of the nation was doubted. However, most of the foreigners who did come to rule Egypt at times were as likely to adopt Egypt's customs & religion for themselves, even as they ruled. Egypt has the longest history of living without a "broken culture" than any other nation on Earth...Not even the Chinese can boast that.

Even though the Mesopotamians became "civilized" before Egypt, that was only by a margine of a couple of hundred years or so. Even so, Egypt was the first civilization to become united as a single geo-political unit...Mesopotamia had always been ruled under a system of independant "city-states".

As much as "standard education" claims that the Classical Age Greeks formed the basis upon modern Western Society, what they don't teach is the fact that those very same Greeks were just as heavily influenced by the Middle Kingdom Egyptians!

Life was relatively easy for the Egyptians...The gentle flooding of the Nile & the always-renewing of the fertilization of their soil, the abundance & variety of their foods, the wealth & trade they conducted made life quite enjoyable, especially when you consider that they were also effectively isolated by the harsh geography that surrounded them. Outside of Egypt was nearly-impassable mountains or burning desert...How could they not consider themselves lucky & prosperous compared to any other nation which which they came into contact?

[edit on 11-6-2005 by MidnightDStroyer]

Originally posted by akilles

It does not mean trying to question if what we know about Ancient Egypt is entirely correct, or if it is correct at all, it does not mean accepting possibilities such as The Great Pyramid as used for ritual, and initiation, and much much more.

It does not even recognize the truths in Egyptian religion, because that would expose far too many people's influences, now wouldn't it (Star Wars cough*).

If you've seen some of the movies...can you elaborate? Oh yea, and Hawass is nothing but a pompous, zealot, nut! You know he banned a movie from being filmed on the Giza plateau because he didn't like the "magical implications" of it? He said it wasn't true about Egypt...akin to the Mummy movies! Now, everybody knows the differance between something fake (Hollywood=The Mummy) and something non-fiction. So what is he trying to prove? The movie is still going to be made no matter what...who the hell does he think he is? He makes me sick!

What is it about Egypt? I can't imagine a single child who wasn't fascinated by Ancient Egypt, hell I wanted to be an Egyptologist for 2 years. It can't just be the pyramids, I mean huge monolithic structures were built all over the world; I don't understand the allure of Egypt yet I still plan to visit before I die.

Well you see, the Great Pyramid isn't just SOME megalithic structure...it's the last standing World Wonder. Until the building of the Empire State Building, it was the tallest man-made structure in the world. That's an amazing track record for a bunch of Ancient people.

As much as "standard education" claims that the Classical Age Greeks formed the basis upon modern Western Society, what they don't teach is the fact that those very same Greeks were just as heavily influenced by the Middle Kingdom Egyptians!

Exactly! They also conveniently leave out the fact that most of the elite Ancient Greeks trained and learned their art in Egyptian schools! There is also a story of how Athens was actually an Egyptian colony founded by Kekrops...I'll do more research on this and get back to you all. I may buy the first DVD of Magical Egypt to see how I like it...it's only $24 anyway.

[edit on 12-6-2005 by Koola]

I can't say that I really have that much of an interest in this but perhaps if someone could post a few links I could look further into what all the interest is. I hear from some folks that the place is just mystical to them and a few seem to associate it with aliens for some reason. Thank you.

Who hasn't fallen a little bit in love with ancient Egypt?

You know that bust is fake right?

Khemetians were black for the most part.

Not saying their 'ruling class' was, but I DO mean the scientists, priests, politicians, astronomers, were black.

And yeah, you have to love Athens and Rome's little stories of origin. Funny how the 'center' of the world has moved steadily west, no accident I imagine. So does that mean that the center of power is now somewhere beyond New York and before Denver?

What do you think is the deal with all the hands being cut off in Star Wars? Or similarly, how different Padme is after Anakin's mother dies, her role changes, she becomes the romantic figure finally, etc. Then, when Princess Leia is born, the form of the Goddess changes again, and Natalie Portman's character is dead.

Innocent Horus who gets ripped to pieces. Hand and legs cut off, etc.

He did do a lot of mixing and matching, but you'll find what you're look for.

Originally posted by akilles
Khemetians were black for the most part.

Not saying their 'ruling class' was, but I DO mean the scientists, priests, politicians, astronomers, were black.

And yeah, you have to love Athens and Rome's little stories of origin. Funny how the 'center' of the world has moved steadily west, no accident I imagine. So does that mean that the center of power is now somewhere beyond New York and before Denver?

What do you think is the deal with all the hands being cut off in Star Wars? Or similarly, how different Padme is after Anakin's mother dies, her role changes, she becomes the romantic figure finally, etc. Then, when Princess Leia is born, the form of the Goddess changes again, and Natalie Portman's character is dead.

Innocent Horus who gets ripped to pieces. Hand and legs cut off, etc.

He did do a lot of mixing and matching, but you'll find what you're look for.

I don't know about Rome, but Greece was definently influenced by Egypt. Yea, they did do a lot on their own, like arches and stuff. But you can't deny the facts. Not to mention numerous Ancient Greeks admitted this fact.

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[edit on 13-6-2005 by Centrixinal]

Originally posted by akilles
Funny how the 'center' of the world has moved steadily west, no accident I imagine.

Actually, the geographical center of all of Earth's land masses is right near the Great Pyramid...More accurately, the Pyramid is the closest suitable building site to that spot.

Can you imagine what it must've been like to try building a structure like that with copper tools? No wheels could be used to haul all of that stone. It would take the technology of modern times to duplicate that, even though there's probably no one willing to front that kind of expense & effort to do so. Also consider that the vast majority of work was done by Egyptian citizens getting paid (in beer & grain) to work on it! They were farmers working in the "off-season", when the opportunities for work were dried up (so to speak).

Originally posted by akilles
Innocent Horus who gets ripped to pieces. Hand and legs cut off, etc.

Actually, that was Osiris (Horus' Father & husband of Isis). When the Greeks started learning the stories of the Osiris cycle they began to identify Osiris with Dionosys...As such, the Dionosys cult got a bit less wild-n-bloody & turned into a massive wine-party.

Originally posted by Koola
I don't know about Rome, but Greece was definently influenced by Egypt. Yea, they did do a lot on their own, like arches and stuff.

Actually, Rome took a lot from the Greeks, who took a lot from the Egyptians; But many ideas in arcutecture were taken from Egypt as well, such as the basic structure. The Greeks merely used their own decorative motifs (IE: Turned the papyrus-style columns into the fluted columns).

Originally posted by Koola
You know that bust is fake right?

What d'ya know, the 1st fake bust in history, and they didn't even need silicone. They were so far ahead of us.

Originally posted by GrandCourtJester

Originally posted by Koola
You know that bust is fake right?

What d'ya know, the 1st fake bust in history, and they didn't even need silicone. They were so far ahead of us.

I don't get it...

Bust, breast. Bust is another word for breasts. Hence a play on 'fake bust' is fake breasts. The 1st fake breasts in history. Her bust is fake.

Originally posted by Baphomet79
What is it about Egypt? I can't imagine a single child who wasn't fascinated by Ancient Egypt, hell I wanted to be an Egyptologist for 2 years. It can't just be the pyramids, I mean huge monolithic structures were built all over the world; I don't understand the allure of Egypt yet I still plan to visit before I die.

For one thing: when the one ton "bricks" were put into place, nearly 3,000 years ago, there were no tractors, hydraulic conveyors etc to move them, that's what is sooooo mind bogling and fascinating.

The list could go on -
the story of Isis/ Osiris/ Horus written on the pyramid walls, preceding Jesus' story - 3,000 years ago
beautiful craftmanship/jewels in the pyramids
totally sophiscated, advanced civilisation

About the bust being fake, they did a reconstruction on Discovery Channel, of a mummy supposedly that of Nefertiti, and this was the result.



I'm not sure if that's what you meant.

Originally posted by GrandCourtJester
About the bust being fake, they did a reconstruction on Discovery Channel, of a mummy supposedly that of Nefertiti, and this was the result.



I'm not sure if that's what you meant.

I was talking about that fake stone head you showed us.