Religious right groups and Conspiracies

A continuing favorite theme running through much of the rhetoric of radical/religious right groups appears to be a firm conviction in the existence of massive conspiracies leveled against them. Conspiracies appear everywhere, throughout society and throughout world history. Many groups and leaders are quite literally paranoid of not simply the U.S. government, but also the United Nations and international bankers (the modern term for the traditional scapegoat, "Jewish bankers"). Often we will hear about the "New World Order," an attempt to create a single world government and persecute Christians. Frequently the conspiracies will be given definite Satanic overtones, as many conspiracies appear to be run by the Evil One himself (which means he must be very, very busy).

"Indeed it may well be that men of goodwill like Woodrow Wilson, Jimmy Carter, and George Bush...are in reality unknowingly and unwittingly carrying out the mission and mouthing the phrases of a tightly knit cabal whose goal is nothing less than a new order for the human race under the domination of Lucifer and his followers." -Pat Robertson, The New World Order

"The UN Charter in full operation would mean: The end of the United States as a nation, making it a mere province in a New World Order, with one vote among 186, mostly hostile, nations. States and counties merged into regions, with UN appointed officials enforcing UN orders while practicing extortion on us helpless serfs." -Jack McLamb, founder Police Against the New World Order

"Six thousand people in Sweden have already been implanted with transponder chips in the backs of their hands. It's unbelievably biblical." -Bob Fletcher, spokesman Militia of Montana

Any thoughts?

Toltec....before I comment on this, I wonder if there is a link to the whole article?

regards
seekerof

What I want to know is what this elite cabal is supposed to get from this? What would they have from a one world government that they don't have now?

Originally posted by Mycroft

What I want to know is what this elite cabal is supposed to get from this? What would they have from a one world government that they don't have now?

Simply put....world control.
All nations
All people
All monies
Everything....
You are seeing that there are "things" to be gained that they don't have completely now?
If you wish links so that you can read and determine more for yourself, I encourage you to go through the threads in both the "secret societies" and "nwo" forums. I can provide some if needed.
No one has to believe this.
Its merely one taking the time to put the pieces together to see that there is indeed a picture behind the "picture".

regards
seekerof

Originally posted by Seekerof
You are seeing that there are "things" to be gained that they don't have completely now?

Not really. According to the PCTs, they have those things now.

Originally posted by SeekerofIf you wish links so that you can read and determine more for yourself, I encourage you to go through the threads in both the "secret societies" and "nwo" forums. I can provide some if needed.

That's where I do most of my reading now, but if there are some specific threads you feel I've overlooked, I'd appreciate the direction.

To pull the reality from over your eyes that you may see the truth.Be careful that you are ready to see it,you cannot go back.

This was the whole thing actually

www.adl.org...

www.tylwythteg.com...

but found these.

Any thoughts?

[Edited on 10-8-2003 by Toltec]

Well, I agree with some of it and disagree with other parts.

A continuing favorite theme running through much of the rhetoric of radical/religious right groups appears to be a firm conviction in the existence of massive conspiracies leveled against them. Conspiracies appear everywhere, throughout society and throughout world history. Many groups and leaders are quite literally paranoid of not simply the U.S. government, but also the United Nations and international bankers (the modern term for the traditional scapegoat, "Jewish bankers"). Often we will hear about the "New World Order," an attempt to create a single world government and persecute Christians. Frequently the conspiracies will be given definite Satanic overtones, as many conspiracies appear to be run by the Evil One himself (which means he must be very, very busy).

I wholeheartedly agree with this statement. It seems that anything that another religion does (or an athiest or agnostic group does) is seen as inherently hostile to Christianity and as "destroying Christianity." One prime example was a recent group of Christians screaming over the "demonic names" of features in the Grand Canyon ("Temple of Set" was one of them, I think.) They were up in arms about the removal of Bible verses from the visitors' center -- verses that had been added in 1950 and were offensive to the tribes there.

It was okay to stomp on the tribes' religion. When the tribes asked the Park Service to remove them, it was "hostile to Christianity."

I found this terribly ironic.

"Indeed it may well be that men of goodwill like Woodrow Wilson, Jimmy Carter, and George Bush...are in reality unknowingly and unwittingly carrying out the mission and mouthing the phrases of a tightly knit cabal whose goal is nothing less than a new order for the human race under the domination of Lucifer and his followers." -Pat Robertson, The New World Order

I don't have much respect for or belief in Pat Robertson. 'Nuff said.

"The UN Charter in full operation would mean: The end of the United States as a nation, making it a mere province in a New World Order, with one vote among 186, mostly hostile, nations. States and counties merged into regions, with UN appointed officials enforcing UN orders while practicing extortion on us helpless serfs." -Jack McLamb, founder Police Against the New World Order

And this would be bad -- HOW?

Oh yes. The US would be a nation-state like Texas is within the US. We'd have to cooperate with other nations (as Texas has to cooperate with the US states.) We couldn't go invading someone because we didn't like their moustache or religious practices.

The days of empire building are over. We need to learn to work together as a world. The US is not always right and isn't the ruler of the Earth. We need to quit playing king of the globe and start playing democracy with the rest of the world.

"Six thousand people in Sweden have already been implanted with transponder chips in the backs of their hands. It's unbelievably biblical." -Bob Fletcher, spokesman Militia of Montana

I'd love to see proof of this one... and WHY they have chips (is it like my great-great aunt who had Alzheimers and a tendency to escape and go wandering?)

What I find interesting about it is the fact that much of what is discussed has been implied as a liberal agenda, nonetheless we see it here clearly an ultra conservative one.

To quote a phrase "something is rotten in Denmark"

I tend to respond myself negatively to the UN because of the mass graves found in Iraq, there is no excuse for that. Clearly and strangely enough the ultra liberal as well as the ultra conservative agenda seem to be the same.

Any thoughts?

no one even gets into politics,or stays in it unless they don't rock the boat too much,religion and politics are the same thing,control mechanisms.

I agree that politics and religions are designed not to rock the boat, the question then becomes what in fact is the correct direction.

What is apparent is that neither liberal or conservatives are interested is offering a valid point, both are feeding us rhetoric (and even worst the same form).

Clearly there is a point to this?

Any thoughts?

IMHO the point is that you cannot see the true decision makers,the ones that you can see are just a distraction.

Unbalanced what we do at this site is acertain (at the very least make the effort) to determine the true nature of the conspiracy. Given that the two extremes are touting the same agenda it is apparent that a real conspiracy exist. It is apparent that out leaders in general are trying to distract us from focussing on the issues that exist.

Those issues are apparent if they were not, both sides would not be engaged in such an effort. The answer is clear as a bell, it is in our face but treated as relevant only as secondary.

At its extreme religions are apparently a pawn and its leaders part of the conspiracy.

Any thoughts?

Linda Thompson, a latter-day Joan of Arc for the patriot movement, represents the most militant wing of regressive populism. She appointed herself "Acting Adjutant General" of the armed militias that have formed cells across the United States. Operating out of the American Justice Federation of Indianapolis, Thompson's group warns of secret plots by "corrupt leaders" involving "Concentration Camps, Implantable Bio Chips, Mind Control, Laser Weapons," and "neuro-linguistic programming" on behalf of bankers who "control the economy" and created the illegal income tax.

Rest of link....

www.nizkor.org...

The whole "white supremacy" thing has got me a bit taken aback. When I think of "worldly agenda's," I don't put a color to it. Its not a color issue to me, its the world agenda issue.

Whether its right wing religious groups or conservative religious groups; whether it is Rupublican's or Democrat's, to me, there is no difference. Sounds and reads like a bunch of in-fighting to me. Perhaps they are all positioning themselves for the inevitable, I dunno. I continually read material that says that every facet of our political and religious organization's are infiltrated by those that are working towards the ultimate "goal."

I think that no matter the organization, whether it be political or religious, these organization's see what is transpiring. Its like terminal cancer....you see and don't see, you know and don't know, but you do realize that in due time, the cancer will kill you and that its all a matter of "when" not "if." These groups are just seeking a 'place' within the scheme of things. You would hope that they would be fighting this but I just don't see where they are doing such.

Just my thoughts, as unguided or unfounded as they may seem....

regards
seekerof

In the political and religious arena are individuals that prey upon the fear of others. This fear factor is what is stopping many things from being solved(world hunder, health care, etc.).

Most of these individuals preach fear for a reason. If they did not they would not have a job. It is the unnatural state of pitting one individual or groups of individuals against another that has the world in a big mess.

Why do I call it unnatural? The natural thing is recognition of the father and passing his love for us on to others. If everyone did this our problems would go away. We do not need churches for this, or sinagogs(sp), or temples or whatever. All this can be found within the heart and soul of each individual.

Many politicians and religions prey on fear to further their agenda whatever that may be. Fear is one of two basic emotions that we have. The other is love.

Ever get a kick out of these TV "evangelists". They preach fear. They have people send them money to further their cause. One, Pat Robertson, even has a TV show with "news" on it to help soldify these fears.

"Unbalanced" is right except I think he worded his statement wrong when he said the true decison makers are unseen. The true guidance is "unseen". By this I mean that the holy spirit that is within each one of us are the true decison makers. If our mind does not listen to the spirit that is when decisons become screwed up for the decision is many times not made with what the spirit is telling us.

Madman,
Thanks for the support,but I don't agree that "I" am right,we have developed this thread together,all who have participated.

Some of the things that I have said were just half thoughts,like the term"shadow government",a half statement,no form,just a shadow,but we know it is there,or is it?.

Many of the thoughts shared on the thread have helped me to understand the topic better because I never would have thought about it on my own,in that way,a different view on things always helps.

I KNOW God is there,God saw it fit to prove it to me one day,I know many no longer give credit where credit is due,not to themselves,not to their creator.

You are right in your observation that the population of this country where I live,the US,and many other countries around the world are steered around and manipulated with fear.

The problem now is to expose the manipulators,and those manipulators have always been there.

These are the same types of forces that were in mind when the founding fathers wrote the constitution,and they manipulated that away to the point that the manipulators are once again in power.

The problem we face now is what to do about it,if anything truly needs to be done.There are so many pieces to the puzzle that it is difficult to know exactly what to do,like I have the power to change anything anyway.

I guess if everyone cleaned up their own little space,their own little portion of the world,the whole world would be cleaner.

I think the real problem is that many people have become lazy.

Peace to you.

God has given us the tools to correct the wrongs.

It is up to each of us to promote God's love. If each one of us did this without touting a certain "religion" we could solve alot of the problems.

Do not give up. The power is within us given to us by the father.

I say many things and the ones that have followed a certain "religion" all think I am off base. I, like you apparently, have seen the Holy Spirit.

I have had a lot of personal problems healthwise, marriagewise in the last few years. I have sulked and hidden from these and other "fears". I sulk and hide no more. My strength and belief in myself and God continues to grow.

All we can do is keep talking, and hope that we hit others that have given up on themselves and God.

Have a good day my friend.

There are more out there.

To appreciate what is reality,you must first be reduced to nothing in your own mind,and while you are sinking,wanting to die,you realise why it is you're alive.

Just from looking at this situation from the surface I see one problem certainly does exist, this with respect to industry. Companies which began in the US and Europe move to countries when totalitarian regimes are enforce and as a result, in essence support that system of rule (financially).

These are the countries which are more prone to react to extremist sentiment with respect to the masses (in regard to either extreme).

Religion is being used as a psychological weapon.

Any thoughts?