German TV show depicts 9/11 as Bush plot

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A fictional crime drama based on the premise that the Bush administration ordered the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and Washington aired this week on German state television, prompting the Green Party chairman to call for an investigation.

Sunday night's episode of "Tatort," a popular murder mystery that has been running on state-run ARD-German television for 35 years, revolved around a German woman and a man who was killed in her apartment.
According to the plot, which was seen by approximately 7 million Germans, the dead man had been trained to be one of the September 11 pilots but was left behind, only to be tracked down and killed by CIA or FBI assassins.
The woman, who says in the program that the September 11 attacks were instigated by the Bush family for oil and power, then is targeted, presumably to silence her. The drama concludes with the German detectives accepting the truth of her story as she eludes the U.S. government hit men and escapes to safety in an unnamed Arab country.
As ludicrous as it may sound to most Americans, the tale has resonance in Germany, where fantastic conspiracy theories often are taken as fact.

Germans are so awesome that they believe this type of plot as well as other conspiracies had existed, in ani case its their choice to believe it or not.

Originally posted by deltaboy
As ludicrous as it may sound to most Americans, the tale has resonance in Germany, where fantastic conspiracy theories often are taken as fact.

Germans are so awesome that they believe this type of plot as well as other conspiracies had existed, in ani case its their choice to believe it or not.

Such as what? Would you care to elaborate as to which fantastic conspiracy theories often are taken as fact?

From the very source you linked to:

A German diplomat in Washington said no one in Germany took the plot seriously because it was "pure fiction."
"It was so out of line with what people really think," the diplomat said, adding that the episode does not deserve further comment.

Jak

Originally posted by JAK
From the very source you linked to:

A German diplomat in Washington said no one in Germany took the plot seriously because it was "pure fiction."
"It was so out of line with what people really think," the diplomat said, adding that the episode does not deserve further comment.

Jak

excuse me Sir i meant the majority of Germans. sorry i should be more clearer to wat im saying.

Originally posted by deltaboy
excuse me Sir i meant the majority of Germans. sorry i should be more clearer to wat im saying.

So your saying the majority of Germans believe the conspiracies?

Before this turns into WW3 could you clearly explain what you meant?

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OK then what eveidence do you have that 'the majority of Germans' often accept fantastic conspiracy theories as fact?

I doubt you have any and if I were German I might well take offence at such an assinine comment. It's not about being clearer in what you say or how you say it, it's about not making stuff up that suits your politically driven xenophobic fantasies.



Jak

That's like saying that there's a bunch of TV shows in America that claim World War II was a German conspiracy to kill over 50 million people.

Wait, wasn't that true?

Originally posted by centurion1211
That's like saying that there's a bunch of TV shows in America that claim World War II was a German conspiracy to kill over 50 million people.

Wait, wasn't that true?

And world war 2 has what to do with the comment said so far?
Try thinking about what you type..it helps wonders

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As always with conspiracy theories, the average person is caught in the land of ambiguity. To think gross frauds have never been perpetrated by governments and political groups in order to manipulate public [political] opinions would be foolish. But then that has to be balanced by the practical efforts of perpetrating some [large?] set of actions and having no one step foward and expose the fraud.

You always have to keep in mind that passionately devoted people will do virtually anything, even kill themselves and others. Also with modern technology it is probably possible to manipulate people's core beliefs and passions.

If someone did perpetrate this or any other politcal fraud, rather than convince people's conscious rational mind to become perpetrators, they would have much more likely hooked and reeled them in emotionally. But for those emotional hooks not to eventually erode the external circumstances of those participants lives must support those emotional hooks. Otherwise you would probably have to terminate those participants. Note: the only possible defense from being emotionally manipulated is to try to be as dispassionate as possible. Of course even that can be used against you, to keep you from irrationally seeking out the truth. What's a person to do?

All in all, based on experience, it is much easier to fantasize some grand designed conspiracy inside our heads than it ever would be to create one out in the 3D world of mass, energy and very complex human interactions. But one can't be naive and say something could never be perpetrated.

In truth the shortcommings of political leaders are usually much simpler. They often cheat [while rationalizing it as not cheating in their own minds], then usually lie about it when it starts comming to light.

In most circumstances governments and officials, even if they start out inspired, usually become tired and then degenerate into self-serving and corrupt actions.

Just as people have evolved to become convincing liars, we have also evolved to detect and suspect lies.

The trouble with 911 is that no good forensics were done afterwards. Everyone was in shock. [perhaps a state of shock makes people more easily manipulatable?] Is it that we have bone headed leaders without the experience and foresight to make sure all information is derived and used to learn from? Or were they overtly or inadvertantly a part of fuzzing over the details? They certainly lied about the toxic effects of the dust and smoke.
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There is nothing uniquely German about fictional or factual works exploring the US government complicity and negligence in 9/11. There is no cultural divide in that... but it so happens that Hamburg in particular has been a hotbed for terrorist cells in the past.

In terms of believability of conpiracy theories... it is probably true to this day that a small majority of Americans believe that 19 terrorists (of who knows what Middle Eastern extraction - probably Iraqi, that's why we invaded Iraq to show 'em!) conspired to hijack commuter aircraft and crash them into landmark buildings after a few flying lessons, then beat the most sophisticated security systems on the planet simultaneously in different locations to achieve that, aided by boxcutters and the sheer luck of being able to outrun NORAD fighter craft on their tails. Yep, that's plausible, and it's believed in many parts. Just not in New York City, where most of the damage was done.

Um, hello people? The Lone Gunmen pilot episode? 100% American... and it came out BEFORE 9/11.

Google it if you haven't seen it.

-koji K.

www.newsmax.com...

WASHINGTON - Five years before the worst terror attack in American history, a U.S.-educated Kuwaiti pitched an outlandish idea to Osama bin Laden. Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, now a U.S. captive, concedes his apocalyptic vision of 10 planes steered into nuclear power plants, skyscrapers and other American targets received only a lukewarm response from the al-Qaida kingpin.

The meeting in Afghanistan in mid-1996, however, apparently was the genesis of the attacks that killed nearly 3,000 people on Sept. 11, 2001. Three reports issued this week by the Sept. 11 commission provide the fullest picture yet of how Mohammed's idea evolved from wild scheme to unfathomable reality — and the government's chaotic response.
Mohammed had targeted U.S. airliners before. He was indicted in the United States earlier in 1996 for plotting to bomb 12 flights over the Pacific Ocean, but he wasn't captured. Mohammed, born in Kuwait and a 1986 graduate from North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University, also wanted to crash a plane into CIA headquarters.

His new plan needed bin Laden's money and his muscle.

Between May 1996, when bin Laden moved to Afghanistan from Sudan, and the Sept. 11 attacks, more than 20,000 men trained at his terror camps. They learned to be soldiers and, the Sept. 11 commission said, "to think creatively about ways to commit mass murder."

yep the Al Qaeda hatched a very good conspiracy to make 9/11 worked, they knew Americans are very soft and very incompetent in defending our own country and they took advatage of it. tsk tsk. its pretty simplistic, hide yer box cutters, walk to the cockpit, assure the passengers that this is just a hostage takeover that u have seen in the past and nothing will happen. steering the planes into the towers is probably the easiest of all in the plan. they aint that hard to miss thanks to the size of the buildings.

So they have made a FICTIONAL show that suggests the 9-11 was an inside job. SO WHAT?!

In fact I already was thinking about doing much the same.

There is so much good writing out there (true or NOT - that isn't the point) over the possiblity of a conspiracy on 9-11-01 that involved Bush that its just going to waste not being put together as a fictional account and published. I was going to do it myself.. like I said. Weave all the sites together in to a GREAT story .. if you were smart you could include the variations in conspiracy theorys as part of the plot where there are multiple conspiracies taking place that day but everyone thinking that they are running the main plot line.. when there isn't one (there are many small compartmentalised operations) .. or something to that effect.

Not that I'm a writer.. I just like when this stuff is done.


Have any of you read Brother Termite? (anyone know of any books like it btw?)

And how about Interview with an Assassin? (terrible, but good idea)


Its the same idea.. and to whoever suggested the Lone Gunman episode? Good point!

-VMX

Originally posted by deltaboy
steering the planes into the towers is probably the easiest of all in the plan. they aint that hard to miss thanks to the size of the buildings.

Think again, study the video footage and eyewitness accounts from minutes before impact, find out a little more about what is needed to have planes behave that way aerodynamically, and your opinion might be quite different.

As per Loki's thread, it is a shame that so little by way of real forensics has been done. None of the reality has been intended for the public eye, only cosmetic accounts - especially ones that drive fear and hatred.

Why did WTC Building 7 fall down anyway?

Originally posted by MaskedAvatar

Originally posted by deltaboy
steering the planes into the towers is probably the easiest of all in the plan. they aint that hard to miss thanks to the size of the buildings.

Think again, study the video footage and eyewitness accounts from minutes before impact, find out a little more about what is needed to have planes behave that way aerodynamically, and your opinion might be quite different.

Why did WTC Building 7 fall down anyway?

call it chain reaction. if u have a pyramid of cards and a small pyramid of cards and they both next to each other u can see wat happens.

wats this behave that way aerodynamically, all they did was make sure the nose was pointing at the buildings. kinda like pointing a gun.

We had this exact same discussion already a few days ago:

www.abovetopsecret.com...'

It is a freakin' fictional TV series!!


So, chill everybody




[edit on 9-6-2005 by paperclip]

Originally posted by centurion1211
That's like saying that there's a bunch of TV shows in America that claim World War II was a German conspiracy to kill over 50 million people.

Wait, wasn't that true?

Replace German with Nazi and you've got it about right. Even then it isn't quite correct because there were many members of the Nazi party who wouldn't condone or propagate the idea of killing 50 million people.

Thanks, paper clip.
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