No Honor among thieves

Looks like Saddam's bud's are going to rat him out. COOL! This is one of the things that Galloway maybe trying to head off.

June 13 issue - Some of Saddam Hussein's most notorious former lieutenants have been dishing dirt. Senate investigators looking into prewar U.N. Oil-for-Food deals have named Saddam's former personal secretary and security chief, Abid Hamid Mahmoud al-Tikriti, former vice president Taha Yassin Ramadan and former foreign minister Tariq Aziz as key witnesses who have provided inside info about Saddam's regime.

www.msnbc.msn.com...

[edit on 5-6-2005 by Roper]

[edit on 6-6-2005 by John bull 1]

Who wants to bet Saddam dies of Cancer.. in the not-so-distant future?

Exactly how much worth can you get out of plea bargained testimony? Is there any other evidence against Saddam Hussein other than from people who have been jailed by occupational forces and are looking for a means to escape their imprisonment?

Considering their effort so far at obtaining information, with news like this you could also assume the CIA are spreading the word that Saddams boys are ratting him out, so they can try and draw more people out into the open and actually get some real info. Maybe even the 'real' Saddam if it's true he's not the one in the photos. The press is a very loud public mouthpiece, a great way to spread information as fact around the world overnight.

I think Saddam will be dead before the trial ends, there should be a lotto on how it will be done.

As much as some patriots here will hate it, Saddam is a treasure trove of dirt that is directly pointing at America and the UK. They can't afford to allow him a trial.

If the claims that the Saddam who has been captured is in fact a double, then his trial would be produced to allow information to never be released, it would be purely for show. How much does Saddams double actually know about his political career in great detail? Is the real Saddam living elsewhere on taxpayer dime for swaping his life for Iraq's - the offer was made!?

I think we all need to be very vigilant and open minded with info regarding Saddam and how any trial runs. It's going to be a breeding ground for propaganda and manipulation, it can't possibly run fair without indicting the US and UK, therefor, if any trial does run to an end it will only be for show.

My bet:

He Lives: If Saddam get's convicted and sentanced and either locked away or given a death sentance, then that was a FAKE Saddam and they ran the trial to satisfy those that wanted him dead. He is probably living somewhere else, locked away tight to be offed secretly once bleed dry or already dead during the war but not until after photos of him in capture were made public, making it impossible to admit he died in the war.

He Dies: If Saddam doesn't make it to the end of the trial or even MAKE it to the trial, then that was the REAL Saddam and they killed him to avoid dirt he could reveal about western policy.






[edit on 6-6-2005 by TheShroudOfMemphis]

With all of Saddam's dealings w/officials in the Reagan administration (who are currently in power), and with American & other western companies, I can't see him making it to trial. Punchy a fellow as he is, he'll sing loud.

Originally posted by TheShroudOfMemphis


I think Saddam will be dead before the trial ends

I could see that happening.

Saddam is a treasure trove of dirt that is directly pointing at America and the UK. They can't afford to allow him a trial.

Agreed. Saddam can spill the beans on everything, anything, and everyone. He was a puppet that went astray from his strings when he invaded Kuwait. Before then, he was the US and UK's best friend.

I heard this morning that they're gonna try him (one part) for his using chemical weapons against the Kurds. That will only open a can of worms that the west does not want opened.

Well I don't think that the guy we are looking at is a double. I also see him going to trial, being convicted and life in prison.

I don't think the USA has anything to hide BUT we will see.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Thats not saying that your friend won't become your enemy.

Roper

Originally posted by Roper
Well I don't think that the guy we are looking at is a double. I also see him going to trial, being convicted and life in prison.

I don't think the USA has anything to hide BUT we will see.

There's no way the guy we've seen on film (sitting in front of the judge) in court is a double. THAT is Saddam.

Trust me, American business & US Defense has plenty to hide with regard to Saddam's regime.

I'm wondering if they will allow the trial to be publicized; cameras in the courtroom, etc. And I heard that if he is found guilty, he does have the right to an appeal. So his execution is some time away, yet.

Originally posted by jsobecky
I'm wondering if they will allow the trial to be publicized; cameras in the courtroom, etc.

I'll bet we'll see as much of that trial as we saw of Slobodan Milosovic's. Which was next to nill.

Very simply, if I were an official in the current administration who was also heavily involved in the 80s, I'd make damn sure Saddam didn't make it to a public trial.

There is so much dirt on that guy, it's a tsunami of evidence. (he used that gas on Iran, also didn't he?)

He fired the oilfields, worst deliberate ecological spoilage in history.

Which is nothing compared to his murders of huge numbers, but don't forget, poison gas is a violation of the Geneva Convention, a treaty that George Bush himself has decided to ignore.

[edit on 6/6/2005 by Noumenon]

The countries that don't want him to go to are the French, German and Russian.

His former buddies may tell us if there were WMD's and if so where are they now. Who helped him get the WMD's? There is a lot of intel. here.

Roper

They don't have to kill him to silence him, couldn't they put him on trial and just keep it closed and shielded from the public? Surely everything Saddam could say is already (pretty much) known to the public if you just do some research, all he would do is lend more credibility to it (or would he? deranged despot looks to bring down American prosecutors in a desperation attempt) I think they could let him live and just spin what he says or make sure nothing he says gets out.

If he does die, I bet they frame it as an assassination, an explosion of some sort by his "arab" political enemies. Not onlt would that shut him up but it would also feed into the terrorism scare AND bring a sense of justice to those who hate him so much they want him to die in a gruesome and bloody manner (tel aviv)

Originally posted by CaptainJailew
If he does die, I bet they frame it as an assassination, an explosion of some sort by his "arab" political enemies.

I can tell you right now that he will die before the trial is complete and he will die via a 'terrorist' bombing which will seem at random at first but shortly after will be attributed to either Al-Zarqawi or another 'terrorist' group in the case of Al-Zarqawi at that time being in Iran.

I think there is definitly a group working in Iraq under the guide of the CIA who are deliberatly targeting Iraqi's in order to keep the war valid and the the population divided.

As the trial gets closer, we'll see a lot more of these types of 'terrorist' attacks until Saddam is killed in one.

A lot of the Iraqi Vs Iraqi terrorism is preperation and smoke screening for Saddams assissination. ALL purposly killed and targeted Iraqi's have been credited to Al-Zarqawi, not any other Iraqi resistance group.

Saddam was captured December 13th 2003
Nick Burg beheading and the begining of Al_Zarqawi's iraqi career began May 2004 to wash attention away from Abu Ghraib scandel.

In order to kill Saddam without suspicion, the CIA need to establish a terrorist group within Iraq and they need to establish a pattern so it's 'no surpise' when it happens.

You can't just kill Saddam out of the blue without it looking suspicious but will any Patriots really question Saddam being killed in a suicide bombing now? Of course not, they've come to expect that from 'terrorists'.

The CIA's World Wide Attack Matrix has been given approval by Bush and the CIA have been given permission for a "Memorandum of
Notification" which would allow the agency to have virtual carte blanche to conduct political assasinations abroad.

Don't be surprised when it happens and don't jump on the Al-Zarqawi/Terrorists did it bandwagon because simply put - it was an inside job.







[edit on 6-6-2005 by TheShroudOfMemphis]

Originally posted by Roper
The countries that don't want him to go to are the French, German and Russian.

His former buddies may tell us if there were WMD's and if so where are they now. Who helped him get the WMD's? There is a lot of intel. here.

Roper

Roper, don't hold your breath.

And btw, you left out the USA and UK. Very important omission.

I can tell you right now that he will die before the trial is complete and he will die via a 'terrorist' bombing which will seem at random at first but shortly after will be attributed to either Al-Zarqawi or another 'terrorist' group in the case of Al-Zarqawi at that time being in Iran.

I think there is definitly a group working in Iraq under the guide of the CIA who are deliberatly targeting Iraqi's in order to keep the war valid and the the population divided.

You're dead onnit, Shroud. Look into Rumsfeld's PG02.

Despite the various out-of-historical-context connections that many of you keep wailing about, there will be no contests to "expose" and exploits connections with the West. No Reagan. No Rumsfeld. Simply a guilty verdict for Saddam, as it should rightly be.




seekerof

[edit on 7-6-2005 by Seekerof]

Originally posted by Noumenon
(he used that gas on Iran, also didn't he?)

Indeed he did. It came at a time when Iran was starting to win the war and it was looking likely that they may even take Southern Iraq.

Saddam cacked himself, the US cacked themselves fearing Saddam would lose, and there would be two Shia Islamic Republics instead of one and thus, CIA gave Saddam Satellite photos of all the Iranian positions to bomb.

Knowing the positions and where the Iranian troops were, Saddam gassed them all, literally nearly wiping them all out.

Saddam reportedly said it was like "spraying flies".