ancient airships

Here are some very interesting pictures of ancient aircraft. I wonder if they actually saw these airships and then carved them in stone or was it that they dreamed of these objects,or used some kind of out of body projection to be able to see into the future . What do you think?


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Your right timoothy these pictures are cool.Do you have any evidence these are real glyphs.Asimple google search will prove you /me right.

(very bored)

This has been posted before, no matters though. It was debunked as either some dodgy gliphs gone wrong or from somewhere I remember that it may have been some French art students idea of a joke, though I may be wrong.

And why do they compare them all to Star Wars ships? I mean the glider one.........they dont really exist!!!!!!!!

these glyphs are real, they are in the Temple of Seti I. Abydos, Egypt. Not that i am saying they represent airships, etc. Just that they do exist.

These things, while neat, are completely fake.

This is a photoshopped pic of the actual glyphs. Not terribly fraudulently photoshopped, but tweaked 'for clarity' nonetheless.

What the glyph is is actually a 'palimpset'. The egyptians made a series of gylphs. Then, later, they came along and changed it, they plastered over it, and made new ones. Eventually, the plaster broke away, and the result is that there are two sets of glyphs that intermesh and overlap and seem to make new ones. Thats also why the photo had to be 'shopped ' (i don't know if it was specifically edited with photoshop (TM) of course).

But, also, lets be realistic. They are saying that two of the glyphs are the Millenium Falcon and a star wars 'Glider'.


Also, think about it. These things, they require a manufacturing and design process. That means mines to get the metals (yeah, metal, one's supposed to be a helicopter, a modern helicopter), rigs to extract oil for fuel, schools to train peopel to discover the sciences to design those objects, hell, and entire modern advanced civilization to make these things and all the other things that you need to make them. And yet we are supposed to beleive that all that is left is that small set of glyphs?? No till from giant quarries, no foundations from technical universities? No fabrication shops or anything else?? Nothing??

Here's a link to a post in a thread on it.

Here is a site that discusses it.

Here are some other ATS threads on it and related topics if that is what you are intersted in. Don't take my presenting them as stating I agree with them tho:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
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Am I the only person who sees the locust and the wheat plant on the left, and the additional plants on the right? EDIT To Add: Tells me that the sci-fi people are taking this image way out of context. END EDIT

The starwars land speeder gliph looks like a landscape to me- i see a dune or a dwelling at the base of a cliff.

I can't remember what Byrd has said about these in the past, but she's the one to ask. I'll search her posts later to see if she's laid down the law on this yet. It sure is nice having a member who can read this stuff

[edit on 2-6-2005 by The Vagabond]

Is this saying that star wars is real?

in all seriousness, it is possible, while not with these particular egyptian glyphs but for other societies. Atlantis was supposed to have a greatly advanced civilization... we shall never know to what extent but one that the rest of the world apparently awed and knew of in great respects. It is possible even that there is truth that we did come from another planet and these were the tecnologies of our ancestors... However I am not endorsing that idea. All I am saying is that Atlantis and other mythological civilizations were rumored to be exceptionally advanced, this is truly possible as well. One can see evidence of this with the anicent Greeks, They had experiemented with water and air powered toys. It has even been discovered that they invented a primitive steam engine but was never pursued as a labor saving device because they had enough slaves to do the work for them. Damn Greeks, they delayed our technological advancement by 3000 years.

Originally posted by Nygdan
These things, they require a manufacturing and design process. That means mines to get the metals (yeah, metal, one's supposed to be a helicopter, a modern helicopter), rigs to extract oil for fuel, schools to train peopel to discover the sciences to design those objects, hell, and entire modern advanced civilization to make these things and all the other things that you need to make them. And yet we are supposed to beleive that all that is left is that small set of glyphs?? No till from giant quarries, no foundations from technical universities? No fabrication shops or anything else?? Nothing??

Four possibilities:

1. They are fake.
   
2. The infrastructure was ground into powder by glaciers or sunk in the sea.
   
3. They are from a time-travelling future.
   
4. Or, they are from an exo-civilization.
   

Now here is where this gets interesting: the FAA knows about these glyphs. And they, erm, name stuff after them. For example: the pilot's weather briefing system we all use is called DUAT. Click on the red link, then look at the search results.

I would bet my house that we come from a starfaring civilization- and the govt knows all about it.

I've been to a lot of airbases around the world that have become ghost towns. Its eerie. The places just melt back into the landscape. People scavenge them. After forty years, there is almost nothing left. Folks think of a fabrication shop as heavy industry, but its not. Aviation snips, a hand drill, cleco pliers, wrenches... most of it goes away with the mechanics, or gets scavenged, or rusts away. Not a lot of enduring stuff in this industry.

And by the way- the quarries are out there. In Bolivia and South Africa, for example, 'modern' prospectors noted ancient mineshafts and thus located many of the enormous ore bodies we are mining today...

[edit on 3-6-2005 by Chakotay]

I think the one that looks like the ''millenium falcon'' is the hand, or the glypg for 'B'

Originally posted by Chakotay

I would bet my house that we come from a starfaring civilization- and the govt knows all about it.
[edit on 3-6-2005 by Chakotay]

OK, I'll take that bet and put my house against it. I'll be fair and give you a week to prove beyond reasonable doubt that we come from a starfaring civilisation.

The seven greatest capital cities of Rama were known in classical Hindu texts as "The Seven Rishi Cities." According to ancient Indian texts, the people had flying machines which were called "Vimanas." The ancient Indian epic describes a Vimana as a doubledeck, circular aircraft with portholes and a dome, much as we would imagine a flying saucer. It flew with the "speed of the wind" and gave forth a"melodious sound." There were at least four different types of Vimanas; some saucer shaped, others like long cylinders ("cigar shaped airships"). The ancient Indian texts on Vimanas are so numerous, it would take volumes to relate what they had to say. The ancient Indians, who manufactured these ships themselves, wrote entire flight manuals on the control of the various types of Vimanas, many of which are still in existence, and some have even been translated into English.



read this

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www.nexusmagazine.com...

www.atlantisquest.com...


looks like you will be living on the street.

Originally posted by The Vagabond
Am I the only person who sees the locust and the wheat plant on the left, and the additional plants on the right? EDIT To Add: Tells me that the sci-fi people are taking this image way out of context. END EDIT

That's actually a bee and a sedge plant (their stylized form) and indicates the Pharoh's praenomin (it's a form of "King of upper and lower Egypt")
www.du.edu...

www.metmuseum.org...

The starwars land speeder gliph looks like a landscape to me- i see a dune or a dwelling at the base of a cliff.

Part of a word sequence that means "foreign lands"...
www.finart.be...

I had heard that Egypt did have a wonderful special effects studio back then. Don't tell G. Lucas about this, he will try to sue or worse make an episode 1/3.

Those glyphs may have those meanings of the pharoah stature, but the evendence presented is pretty convincing about airships in antiquity. We give ourselves as humans way to much credit. Who to say that time didn't ware down any remaing artifacts from past civiliztions who, as shocking as it may be, had more advanced technologies than us. We don't deserve such scientific treats.

Originally posted by Chakotay

Originally posted by Nygdan
These things, they require a manufacturing and design process. That means mines to get the metals (yeah, metal, one's supposed to be a helicopter, a modern helicopter), rigs to extract oil for fuel, schools to train peopel to discover the sciences to design those objects, hell, and entire modern advanced civilization to make these things and all the other things that you need to make them. And yet we are supposed to beleive that all that is left is that small set of glyphs?? No till from giant quarries, no foundations from technical universities? No fabrication shops or anything else?? Nothing??

Four possibilities:

1. They are fake.
   
2. The infrastructure was ground into powder by glaciers or sunk in the sea.
   
3. They are from a time-travelling future.
   
4. Or, they are from an exo-civilization.
   

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Yes, I have wondered about this myself. I am pretty new to these boards, but I have already noticed a lot of "Where is the infrastructure" type questions.

Let's look at a real, proven example of a fairly advanced civilization, albiet not a technological one. The Homeric legend of Troy was long thought to be a myth, however less than 150 years ago the remnants of

a 2800 year old lost city

WAS FOUND!

The city had been completely buried in less than 3000 years, so who can say what ancient civilizations might lurk beneath the desert sands of egypt or the southwestern USA, the jungles of South America or the vast oceans themselves??

The "where-are-the-artifacts" camp seems to suffer from an "Appeal to Ignorance": The declaration that something must be true if you cannot disprove it. This is highly suspect because there were many things in the past that we could not disprove then, but can disprove true now. Like the use of leeches for medical purposes. At one time, no one could disprove that they helped the situation. Now we can. "In science, belief should come from positive evidence in support of a claim, not lack of evidence for or against a claim."

In short, just because these things have not yet been found does NOT mean they don't exist!!

Originally posted by ChakotayAnd by the way- the quarries are out there. In Bolivia and South Africa, for example, 'modern' prospectors noted ancient mineshafts and thus located many of the enormous ore bodies we are mining today

I'd be interested to hear more about this. Do you have the papers/sources/etc??

fishmaster
but the evendence presented is pretty convincing about airships in antiquity.

Howso?? The pic presented is admitedly photoshopped and the glyphs are actually the result of two different sets of glyphs overlapping. How can that be said to be convincing??

Who to say that time didn't ware down any remaing artifacts from past civiliztions

And yet these glyphs survived?? Made out of plaster??

opensecret
In short, just because these things have not yet been found does NOT mean they don't exist!!

This, however, is a weak, practically non-existant arguement, for their existence. Also, if troy, an unsophisticated city, can survive, if we have it (indeed, several layers of city upon city) for thousands of years, then why can't the factories and remains of Millenium Falcon producing civilizations survive, especially consider that, in this case, we are talking about a similar timescale?? It doesn't make sense that we have pottery from more than 7,000 years ago, but that the factories and roads and cities and landfill from these advanced societies have been rather utterly destroyed.

Originally posted by Byrd

Originally posted by The Vagabond
Am I the only person who sees the locust and the wheat plant on the left, and the additional plants on the right? EDIT To Add: Tells me that the sci-fi people are taking this image way out of context. END EDIT

That's actually a bee and a sedge plant (their stylized form) and indicates the Pharoh's praenomin (it's a form of "King of upper and lower Egypt")
www.du.edu...

One of many reasons why I'm not a biologist.
Never the less it's nice to have these "pictures" explained in a sensible manner.
People treat them like they were cave paintings, but they are glyphs- written words. As Rush Limbaugh is constantly saying "words mean things". You can't just look at the picture of the word and decide what it is, as if it were a cloud formation.

I found this a little more Interesting.

www.dudeman.net...

The appearance of fiery chariots and hovering discs in Renaissance Era paintings - as well as beings working their controls and/or attired in garb that we commonly recognize today as spacesuits - proves, at least, that UFOs were being sighted in medieval times. While no direct connection can be isolated from this, between space aliens and religious icons, there certainly is a lot of supernatural phenomena associated in and around these depictions

From there you have to click UFOs (top left) then Ancient Artwork.



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[edit on 3-6-2005 by switchblade]

I was actually refering to a link. It talks of an ancient civilization living in india where they drove(flew) a flying machine called a Vimanas. It talks of Atlantis being even more advanced and a one point turning there technologies into war based machines, which led to a nuclear war which destryed everything.
It could very well be under water and we just haven't found it. Just cause we can't see doesn't mean the possibility in tangable. Give it time.
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