Hacking the new cars

Ok, I recently did my final essay for socail studies, on technological advancements for safety in cars. Lets look at a current issue that I find commical "Cell Phone Hacking" Now, if this is possible, in a year or two. When my luxury sedan, with camera's for keeping me in the lane, onstar, and all kinds of fancy computerized gps/radar gadgets is driving down the road, how do I know my gps mapping device for preventing collisions won't take over my car because of some punk hacker?

More or less, it's not possible now, but in a few years, cars could be used by terrorist orginizations to kill people. As we progress to make cars capable of driving themselves, we may be walking into an electronic war. From Terrorism, to a hacker unlocking my car from his computer, then using it's GPS system to locate it and rob me blind with out causing any real noticable damage.

Any thoughts on this? It's been kind of bugging me the past couple of days...

Upon first reading the title thoughts were to hack the new car to get rid of its useless and expensive computer systems for example, so you can go back to servicing your own car yourself.

Then on the topic the idea was to hack your own car to get rid of big brother, then I read it is about some hacker taking over your Onstar from Onstar when it was playing big brother ergo so that he could play big brother. All of this is incredible. I don't want Onstar increasing my insurance bills and setting up a nationwide toll road system on roads already paid for three times over by gasoline taxes. So okay I hope the hacker takes over my Onstar, and why may you ask? To get rid of big brother of course, what a service, I'll be first in line.

Come to think of it Onstar? I don't need no stinkin' Onstar!

[edit on 2-6-2005 by SkipShipman]

Beyond The Call

Originally posted by SkipShipman
Come to think of it Onstar? I don't need no stinkin' Onstar!

Your problem with OnStar® has been forwarded to authorities for emergency response.

Don't panic. Officers are on their way to help you and will be there shortly.



OnStar®. Always on, because we're always watching.®






Edit: Customer information redacted in accordance with ATS policy.



[edit on 6/2/2005 by Majic]

As we move into a world where the machines control our travel, we should be very concerned about this issue.

It may not be your car driving you to work just yet, but some rail transit lines are being run by computers.

With all the UAVs being used by the millitary, you can bet you will be getting on an aircraft sometime in your future, and there will be no pilot, no cockpit, just a machine connected to GPS and every other craft in the sky.

And the system will have failures, and people will die. But we learn from failure and we go on.

The Titanic sank, the Hindenburg burned, the Maid Of The Seas fell from the sky. But we learn and we go on.

Any new technology is open to failure and anything can be a target for those that want to do harm, but we learn and we go on.

I can't think of any invention or technological breakthrough that has not been used in some way, by some one, to do harm in some way. (maybe the pink erasure???) How could that harm anyone????

Prepare To Be Erased

Originally posted by anxietydisorder
I can't think of any invention or technological breakthrough that has not been used in some way, by some one, to do harm in some way. (maybe the pink erasure???) How could that harm anyone????

Pink erasers were forged by Lucifer himself!

They smudge the lines and leave a pink discoloration on the picture, ruining my precious sketches.

Give me Staedtler Mars Plastic white vinyl erasers or give me death!

Hey, wait a minute. Something's fishy here.

I know you! You're one of those pinko commie eraser advocates, aren't you? The ones who brought those accursed things into America's schools to blight the work of our children!

Come on, admit it!

Ha! I knew it. People, people! We have a pink eraser user here!

Quick, get him! Gahhhhh!:bash:

Just kidding -- kind of.

White vinyl erasers are teh r0xx0r dude. Pink erasers are lame.

Be cool. Buy Staedtler Mars Plastic erasers.*


Meanwhile, back to hacking new cars. Yes, as I have not-so-subtly suggested, technology is a two-edged sword.

As it is, many people don't know they have a “black box” in their car. Guess what that's for?




*This message was not paid for or sponsored by Staedtler Mars GmbH & Co. or its affiliates. Well, not exactly. That is to say, not directly. Sure, maybe they sent me a few checks and paid for some very nice dinners where we discussed online marketing strategies, but it's not like they bribed me or anything. I really love their fine products, and you should too! Because if you don't, then clearly you have no talent. Sorry, but it's true. Buy Staedtler products, because German precision requires German products. Comply now! -M

Being a black box?

Anyways your post has completely killed me, I'm going to go lay on the floor laughing for a while.

What I foresee is a day when the exceptionally good hackers will hack into the subdermal chip we will all have under our skin that contains every speck of information about us. They will be able to learn our medical weaknesses, drain our bank accounts, and maybe even control our minds...
Car hackers are the least of our worries.

Build your own HERF-gun, a High-Energy Radio-Frequency raygun that can kill cars' electronics and laptops at a distance. This is what scares me, cruising down the road and all electronics quit at once.

Car hackers are the least of our worries.

That's very true, but that may be in 15 years, as of most cars will be almost fully computerized in 2-5 years. Oh, and yeah all the electronics failing would compelety suck(which is a present danger I guess). Ultimately I'm more excited to see if this actually happens. Sure I thought of it, but are the "Uber leet haxorz" going to think of this in 2 years?

hacking cars is done all the time now by boy racers trying to hack the ecu for better performance and from what i hear all cars with onboard computers are programmed in java if you interested

Originally posted by klain
hacking cars is done all the time now by boy racers trying to hack the ecu for better performance and from what i hear all cars with onboard computers are programmed in java if you interested

You're kidding me, Java? That's like what I have on my cell phone. lol.

On topic, there will always be the ability to compromise a system. And needless to say, it would majorly suck if you were driving and the whole car just crapped out from the HERF gun. However, these are the risks that are taken when technology evolves. Plus, I was on one of the JFK trams that went into the repair airport. There was no driver and was hooked up to the airports GPS. Freaky, but I got a free ticket.

yes java java is a very sturdy Object orientated programming language it was also used to help navigate some spacecraft it is very deployable as well thats why its on your phones

I think you're missing the point here...you wouldn't even have to be in your car, hell, some sedans seem as if htey could drive themselves with out any help right now. They could - start your car - stear it - and...run into a bank? It may not be a plane, but what if they take over a 13,000 lbs bus? Sure if we have HERF guns, we can work towards preventing this, but if it's a 13,000 lbs vehicle going 60 mph, in a highly populated area, a lot of lives could still be loss, not to mention passengers etc. - Think if you had every car in the world at your finger tips, what would YOU do? (And if they're all in java, we're DOOMED hahaaha..)

The FBI is the only one hacking onstar as far as I know. When they are listening into the conversations in your vehicle, you cannot use the onstar system that you have paid your hard won dollars for. This means if you need to call emergency services while the FBI has control of your onstar, that you are out of luck. Do not ask me for links as I believe you are all old enough to know how to use google.

Being a locksmith I became interested in OnStar when GM started using the system to unlock customers cars, taking money from my pocket so to speak.

I started checking into just how far they could take the system in the modern automobile with the modern computers available. I discovered that:

It's a two way call now. If someone is listening in, (FBI), you can still talk.

They, (ONStar), can listen in anytime they please while you are in the car talking about whatever with no indication they are listening; no clicking through the speaker to attract your atention and such.

GPS is available 'on call' so OnStar can locate you whenever they want. The excuse is this helps them track you in case the car is stolen like LoJack.

In the early OnStar system GPS wasn't incorporated like it is now. Everything advances with time. It was just a built in cell phone. Not now.

I dont have OnStar in my car.

It can be hacked. It would be difficult. It would not be hard to abuse by OnStar employees...Stuff like that.

Originally posted by klain
hacking cars is done all the time now by boy racers trying to hack the ecu for better performance and from what i hear all cars with onboard computers are programmed in java if you interested

I thought most of them ran TRON or some proprietary variation?

How long has it been that the average joe hobbyist has had the means to build and fly remote controlled toy planes? A long time. So, it follows that if anyone could do that 40 years ago, the military has been able to for even longer. I read about a proposition that was conceived in 1960 or so that entailed painting a jet in the colours of a commercial carrier, making up a fictional passenger list, then loading explosives onto it, flying it over Cuba, remotely, and detonating it, in order to claim a reason to invade Cuba. Obviously it never got past the planning stages....but it was possible way back then. Also, the H.A.A.R.P. antenna array in Alaska is like a global herf gun, and could disable electronics anywhere on earth remotely. But I like the unpredictable variable of nature. Maybe a solar flare will envelop earth and fry all our precious pc boards. What a mess that would be.

hey get ready CAR MODDING !!!! Unlock the full potential of your vehicle with this easy to install modchip. Only 6 wires !!!

maaaaan, im gonna have a good time with this stuff

A friend told me that he replaced the limiter, or governer chip or whatever it is, in his Suzuki GSXR 750, so that can go faster. It's pretty fast.
Also, regarding retards, some of the wisest people I know are retards.
But you make a good point, which is similar to a saying I heard.
'Never get into a pissing contest with a skunk, because you are bound to come out smelling like a skunk.'

You know, it's a shame we throw newspapers out with the recyclables every week because a few days later a story you read will suddenly become pertinant to a thread in your favourite ATS board.

The bottom line in the two paragraph story was this: satellite traffic control
via the use of chips embedded into the frames of cars. Each new vehicle would have only one vital statistic buried in secreted places on the cars we buy...the vehicle information number. That's all that's needed when the control center, watching someone speed down highway 400 from Barry to Toronto, or anywhere else on Earth where there is a road, decides you're of interest to them.

As the officer sitting at his keyboard in the cruiser sips his Tim Horton, munching his donut, he notes a blinking light on his screen. Clicking it alerts him of a communication from headquarters about b318h339ms333
speeding, doing 145kph in a 100 zone. About 15 minutes from his position, the speeding black Volkswagon belonging to Joe Blow from Kokomo, age 35, married, 2 kids, working at Loblaws, credit rating A+, no criminal record, 2 speeding violations Aug 23, 04 and April 11, 05...well you get the idea

Thats the future I see. They might not be able to listen to you argue with the kids about settling down in the back, but all the really important stuff will be readily available.



[edit on 31-7-2005 by masqua]