Bush says US more secure

Speaking at Arlington National Cemetery amid public doubts about his stewardship of the war, Bush claimed the United States was more secure because of the offensives he tied to the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States.

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"For those who have lost loved ones in Afghanistan and Iraq, today is a day of last letters and fresh tears," he said. "Because of the sacrifices of our men and women in uniform, two terror regimes are gone forever, freedom is on the march and America is more secure."

Now the flip side, here's the real truth behind the smoke screen.


Thousands of Islamists rallied across Pakistan on Friday to protest against alleged desecration of the Koran by U.S. forces at Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba.


Pakistani supporters of the six party Islamic alliance, Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal, shout anti-US slogans during a demonstration in Peshawar.


Hundreds of Jordanians hold up copies of the Koran during a demonstration in Amman against the alleged desecration of the Koran by US military interrogators.


Indonesian Muslims rally on the street carrying anti-U.S. banners in Jakarta on May 22, 2005.

Here's the link to more anti-US protests

So, people of ATS. Do you agree with what our President suggests, especially on a day that we honored the war dead?

Thank you for that...I tell you, with the borders open, and all the mayhem as your pictures clearly show, I say this is more dissinformation- do they think we're that dumb?

This president would be smarter if he kept quiet and not try to spread more lies. I know, if i were him, I would. You dont suppose he has to say these things or he ends up hurt? You've all seen those unfortunate pictures of a bleeding Bush.
Amazing.

No, NO, NO!!! and another big NO, NOOOOOOO, infect he made it worst, US is less secure than ever. wanna secure the US, shut down the US-mexican border for god sake! so here is another big

NO

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Yeah that was pretty dumb and foolish to disrespect
the Koran....

But would many of you be pissed as much if someone
flushed a Christain Bible?

That would be freedom of speech right?

So what's the big deal if someone flushes a copy
of the Koran? It's only paper and binding...just like
the Christian Bible right?


PS: The US is less secure than it's EVER been.......




[edit on 30/5/2005 by SportyMB]

[QUOTE]Yeah that was pretty dumb and foolish to disrespect
the Koran....

If only it actually happened. Maybe people should be blaiming the media for those pictures above, and not Bush.

Stories like that never would have been printed in WW2. On the other hand, the actions of the government have been no different then they have during other wars. The things Lincoln and Roosevelt did were far worse.

PS: The US is less secure than it's EVER been.......

If you believe that terrorism was the number one threat this nation faced, then possibly, for the short term, we are. However, if one looks at the longterm, Bush has done a great deal to secure America's interests.

Believe it or not, none of this stuff you guys whine about will matter in five or more years. There have been numerous changes in the Middle East as of late, and they will only continue.

The only way to ever put a stop to terrorism is to get rid of the system that creates it, which is pretty much always a tyranical government and poor economic conditions.

So far we've seen elections in Palestine (and there are a number of positive things going on there), Afghanistan and Iraq. Syria will be out of Lebanon. Egypt has had democratic reform.

If that doesn't help America in the longrun, what will?

No, NO, NO!!! and another big NO, NOOOOOOO, infect he made it worst, US is less secure than ever. wanna secure the US, shut down the US-mexican border for god sake! so here is another big

I'm tired of hearing about the Mexican border. Most of the 9/11 hijackers got through the Canadian border, not the Mexican. If you think you're going to be able to control a massive border completely and stop a few terrorists from sneaking through, you're dillusional. You'll clamp down on immigration, but not terrorism.

If only it actually happened. Maybe people should be blaiming the media for those pictures above, and not Bush

I said nothing about bush! yeah it happened, I dont doubt it at all....
they should have done a better job of covering it up, but hey crap happens right.

If you believe that terrorism was the number one threat this nation faced, then possibly, for the short term, we are. However, if one looks at the longterm, Bush has done a great deal to secure America's interests.

Yes, I believe terrorism is the number one threat we face right now.

It will only get worse because more peole will get mad at us and more pissed off...

Yes I will have to agree that US is more "secure" but are we the citizens of this coutry "secure"?

Can we travel abroad with not a worry about becoming a target to anybody that wants to avenge the death of so many, in Iraq.?

Can anybody here truly believe that we the citizens can take with us the safety of our country to any place in the world.?

We have become prisioners in our own borders, and that my fellow Americans is the truth.

So someone want to enlighten me on what exactly Bush ment by 'more secure'? What? Are the pizza boxs taped shut now? Do you have to fill out a federal questionair to buy that doggie in the window?

Physically our boarders are less secure than at any point in American history. The same goes for our economic security. The dollar is dropping like a lead weight on Titan and Bush says we are more secure? Believe it if you want......
I know I dont.

I said nothing about bush! yeah it happened, I dont doubt it at all....

Newsweek retracted the story. There was no evidence behind it.

It will only get worse because more peole will get mad at us and more pissed off...

That's nonsense. I highly doubt we're going to anger anyone more then we did Germans or Japanese in the past. These things are forgotten about over time, and people move on. Rebuilding a strong and free Iraq will make the Iraqis forget about the war.

By giving people jobs and freedom, there will be no cause to this terrorism. It isn't just anger at America. People all across the world are angry at each other, but that doesn't mean they blow each other up. This is the result of a desperate people who have nothing else to do.

Can we travel abroad with not a worry about becoming a target to anybody that wants to avenge the death of so many, in Iraq.?

Yes. Americans travel all over the world all the time. What a ridiculous. You aren't going to Iraq anytime, but even there the danger is inflated. Beheadings and kidnappings are not the norm across all of Iraq.

Physically our boarders are less secure than at any point in American history. The same goes for our economic security. The dollar is dropping like a lead weight on Titan and Bush says we are more secure? Believe it if you want......

Our dollar is dropping, yet our economy is growing strong, while Europe's is sinking and the Euro is going up...

I would never call our economy insecure. We see, at our lowest, 3% economic growth. Last year it was over 4%. Compare that to Germany, who has a shrinking economy. Our unemployment has dropped to 5.2%. Compare that to over 10% in Germany. Our debt is smaller then most nation's when compared to the size of our economy. Europe's is far larger.

I think our economy is doing fine.

Immigration is no worse now then it has ever been. We have always had huge numbers of illegals coming into this nation, and people have always been bitching about them.

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That's nonsense. I highly doubt we're going to anger anyone more then we did Germans or Japanese in the past. These things are forgotten about over time, and people move on. Rebuilding a strong and free Iraq will make the Iraqis forget about the war.

Think again....I said nothing about pissing a nation off did I?

It's wacos out there we have to worry about these days, the OBL's and the TM's that are multiplyng like rabbits. More INDIVIDUALS are hateing on us and our way of life.......there is no way to track many of these people.

That DD is the threat and why America is less secure than ever.

It's wacos out there we have to worry about these days, the OBL's and the TM's that are multiplyng like rabbits. More INDIVIDUALS are hateing on us and our way of life.......there is no way to track many of these people.

These guys aren't crazy. They would have no will or power to do what they did if they didn't live under governments that give them no other option. The vast majority of Arab men are unemployed. They have no real freedom, and are brutalized by their government. Now, what do you think these people will start to do eventually?

The case is even stronger with many Arab women. You do know there has been a large spike in the number of women used in places like Palestine for suicide bombers, right? The funny thing is, if you interview the women who join these causes, it isn't because they believe in them as much as that they simply want to die.

The problem isn't America, or Arabs, or religion, but the governments of the region.

Originally posted by Disturbed Deliverer
I'm tired of hearing about the Mexican border. Most of the 9/11 hijackers got through the Canadian border, not the Mexican.

Normally this is a thread I wouldn't get involved in, but this is something I wanted to address. All of the 9/11 terrorists entered the US directly, and legally.

Even Newt Gingrich agrees with me. Here is the letter he sent our ambassador:

Dear Ambassador McKenna,

Thank you for you letter concerning my recent appearance on the Fox News Channel. I now realize that what I said was factual incorrect. Let me say that I deeply regret repeating what had become a widespread inaccuracy about how the 9/11 terrorists entered the United States. Being a public figure I understand personally how media inaccuracies take on a life of their own. I also understand that as a public figure I have a responsibility to be accurate. Therefore, I am retracting my statement without qualification. I only wish that I had seen the April 9 Washington Post story on the topic before my recent television appearance.

Please accept my apology to the Canadian people for perpetuating the error; one I am sure that has been very painful to them. Because facts are important, I always strive to be precise, so let me say that I will strenuously do what I can to help Canada set the public record straight and correct the myth.

And so does John Ashcroft:

None of the terrorists from the Sept. 11 carnage came to the United States through Canada to my knowledge. Each of them that I know of, and we’ve done considerable work to trace their activities, came to the United States directly... The stubborn facts are that these individuals did not come to the United States through Canada.

I would have given you American sources, but this side of the story doesn't seem to get much coverage on the south side of the border.

Originally posted by Duzey

Originally posted by Disturbed Deliverer
I'm tired of hearing about the Mexican border. Most of the 9/11 hijackers got through the Canadian border, not the Mexican.

Normally this is a thread I wouldn't get involved in, but this is something I wanted to address. All of the 9/11 terrorists entered the US directly, and legally.

Even Newt Gingrich agrees with me. Here is the letter he sent our ambassador:

I was about to similarly address Disturbed Deliverer, then I came to realize he/she is simply spouting off American main-stream propaganda.

Smells Fox'ish..

Normally this is a thread I wouldn't get involved in, but this is something I wanted to address. All of the 9/11 terrorists entered the US directly, and legally. [QUOTE]

And if that were true, it wouldn't change my point at all. My statement wasn't meant to address anything about Canada, just that the Mexican border has little to do with terrorism.

I was about to similarly address Disturbed Deliverer, then I came to realize he/she is simply spouting off American main-stream propaganda.

I don't even use any American media outlets on a normal basis. I pretty much use just the BBC.

It's easy to pick out some little fact that may not be 100% accurate. It's another thing entirely to address my actually ideas.

Originally posted by Disturbed Deliverer
It's easy to pick out some little fact that may not be 100% accurate. It's another thing entirely to address my actually ideas.

I wasn't trying to pick out one fact and ignore the rest of your posts. I only responded because this is a myth that keeps getting perpetuated, and I wanted to set the record straight.

As for everything else you said, there are some things I agree with and some things I don't. But, I am not American, so I don't really have the perspective to be able to join into a discussion on this.

That is why I limited my reply to that one thing, not because I wanted to pick on you.

Originally posted by Disturbed Deliverer

Normally this is a thread I wouldn't get involved in, but this is something I wanted to address. All of the 9/11 terrorists entered the US directly, and legally. [/QUOTE]

And if that were true, it wouldn't change my point at all. My statement wasn't meant to address anything about Canada, just that the Mexican border has little to do with terrorism.

I was about to similarly address Disturbed Deliverer, then I came to realize he/she is simply spouting off American main-stream propaganda.

I don't even use any American media outlets on a normal basis. I pretty much use just the BBC.

It's easy to pick out some little fact that may not be 100% accurate. It's another thing entirely to address my actually ideas.

Originally posted by Disturbed Deliverer

Physically our boarders are less secure than at any point in American history. The same goes for our economic security. The dollar is dropping like a lead weight on Titan and Bush says we are more secure? Believe it if you want......

Our dollar is dropping, yet our economy is growing strong, while Europe's is sinking and the Euro is going up...

I would never call our economy insecure. We see, at our lowest, 3% economic growth. Last year it was over 4%. Compare that to Germany, who has a shrinking economy. Our unemployment has dropped to 5.2%. Compare that to over 10% in Germany. Our debt is smaller then most nation's when compared to the size of our economy. Europe's is far larger.

I think our economy is doing fine.

Immigration is no worse now then it has ever been. We have always had huge numbers of illegals coming into this nation, and people have always been bitching about them.

I was going to say something similar here but you did a fine job.

That low dollar is not helping the Euro at all.............damn the luck.

I haven't heard one person ask - WHY?

Why is this happenning? - Why has everyones opinions of America had a change in direction... And I think that if you really started to research that question, you would begin to understand that; the rest of the world perceives the US as a greater risk to international security - not Islamic Fundamentalism (as Washington and FoxNews would have you beleive)...

Think about it, these terrorists are fighting for a reason - take Iraq for example... Would they be killing US and Brittish soldiers, if the soldiers weren't there? - Obviously not... Bush and Co. would have you beleive that two wrongs will make a right, tit for tat, and retaliation will some how teach those pesky Muslims not to hate us... The US government, and the corporations they support, know something that the vast majority of the US populous dont seem to understand:

The more wars the government goes into, the more terrorism will be created, the more terrorism created - the more wars we can justify - thus its a perpetual cycle that only the corporations (who are making money with this war) will benefit from... Do you think the 'boots on the ground' are dying in the name of freedom??!?! - Or do you think they are dying so a few multinational corporations can now access the Oil feilds that have now been opened?

Its sooo obvious to see why the rest of the world looks upon America with hatred - as thats exactly what the US has been doing since it was created, hatred against Native Americans, hatred against African Americans, hatred against the Vietnamese people, hatred against the Central American people, and now hatred against the Arab world...

All this peace and love George W. spurts off at the mouth about - is in direct contradiction to what is happening all over the world, with the American flag standing high above it all... Everyday women and children are dying with 5.56 rounds to the head - and all the American public cares about is whos going to win American Idol... Put yourself in the Iraqi peoples position...

The rest of the world has, and can see the hipocracy of what the US is doing... Take Posada for example - he is a known terrorist, a man the Cuban and Venezuelan people see as their Osama Bin Laden, he killed alot of Latino people (while working for the CIA) - And now the US has arrested him, and wont return him to Venezuela where he is to be tried by the judicial system... Now imagine if, the Venezuelan people had arrested Osama Bin Laden, and wouldn't hand him over to the US... What do you think your government would do?

The rest of the world can see that the US has one set of rules for itself, and another for all the other countries that aren't as big - and they have been demonstrating that they dont like it (like these protests prove) - its a shame that the vast majority of the American people cant see their governments hipocracy - its either that, or they dont care...

Think about it... Heres a tip that might make it a little easier; get the FoxNews channel blocked and do some independant research into some of the things the US has done, and realise 9/11 was a pic-nic compartively...

Why is this happenning? - Why has everyones opinions of America had a change in direction... And I think that if you really started to research that question, you would begin to understand that; the rest of the world perceives the US as a greater risk to international security - not Islamic Fundamentalism (as Washington and FoxNews would have you beleive)...

The world hasn't changed its views. They've always felt negatively towards America. It started after WW2, and has carried on till this day. It comes out now because there is no longer any counter to America in this world, and no one for Europe to fear but us.

The more wars the government goes into, the more terrorism will be created, the more terrorism created - the more wars we can justify - thus its a perpetual cycle that only the corporations (who are making money with this war) will benefit from... Do you think the 'boots on the ground' are dying in the name of freedom??!?! - Or do you think they are dying so a few multinational corporations can now access the Oil feilds that have now been opened?

Well, the people of Iraq are getting freedom regardless of how much money we make.

It's all good to make money, but it does little good when you can't survive. I highly doubt these coorporations view the short term, which is all your little theories provide for.

Its sooo obvious to see why the rest of the world looks upon America with hatred - as thats exactly what the US has been doing since it was created, hatred against Native Americans, hatred against African Americans, hatred against the Vietnamese people, hatred against the Central American people, and now hatred against the Arab world...

Unlike nations such as those in Europe, right...? France has actively supported two genocides in the past decade or so.

The rest of the world has, and can see the hipocracy of what the US is doing... Take Posada for example - he is a known terrorist, a man the Cuban and Venezuelan people see as their Osama Bin Laden, he killed alot of Latino people (while working for the CIA) - And now the US has arrested him, and wont return him to Venezuela where he is to be tried by the judicial system... Now imagine if, the Venezuelan people had arrested Osama Bin Laden, and wouldn't hand him over to the US... What do you think your government would do?

Maybe if the two nations asking weren't Venezuela and Cuba, we'd talk...

The rest of the world can see that the US has one set of rules for itself, and another for all the other countries that aren't as big - and they have been demonstrating that they dont like it (like these protests prove) - its a shame that the vast majority of the American people cant see their governments hipocracy - its either that, or they dont care...

We're hypocrites? Tough. So is everyone else. That's how the world works. You can pretend all you want that it matters that the rest of the world doesn't like us, but it doesn't. If America wants something, we're going to have it in the end, and no other nation on this planet would do differently, and no other people would do differently then the American people.

Think about it... Heres a tip that might make it a little easier; get the FoxNews channel blocked and do some independant research into some of the things the US has done, and realise 9/11 was a pic-nic compartively...

Little America has done has compared to 9/11, at least anything you can prove we've done.

Why is this happenning? - Why has everyones opinions of America had a change in direction...

Originally posted by Disturbed Deliverer
The world hasn't changed its views. They've always felt negatively towards America. It started after WW2, and has carried on till this day. It comes out now because there is no longer any counter to America in this world, and no one for Europe to fear but us.

The rest of the world begun to look negatively upon the United States because of the change in foreign policy the United States adopted after it eliminated its closest financial rival; Nazi Germany...

So your argument is that the rest of the world hates America - because there is no-one left to fear? - If that isn't the most backwards argument I have ever heard! - Maybe its because the US has gone to almost every length to remain the top-dog...

Its a shame that, thats all slowly coming to an end...

The more wars the government goes into, the more terrorism will be created, the more terrorism created - the more wars we can justify - thus its a perpetual cycle that only the corporations (who are making money with this war) will benefit from...

Well, the people of Iraq are getting freedom regardless of how much money we make.

It's all good to make money, but it does little good when you can't survive. I highly doubt these coorporations view the short term, which is all your little theories provide for.

How is being locked up in their house, afraid of being killed - Free?
How is having their vehicles torn to peices, in the name of safety - Free?
How is having a foreign force have its tanks roll down your streets everyday - Free?
How is having a new constitution, with hardly any differences from Saddams - Free?

Yeah thats right, the new Iraqi constition hasn't really changed - about the only difference is that they can now vote... They aren't aloud to form trade unions - just like Saddam wouldn't - and whys that? - Because if workers actually have some form of democratic organising body, the corporations who own the means of production, wouldn't be able to pay the workers squat, wouldn't be able to fire workers with no reason, wouldn't be able to do all the evil things billionaires do in their spare time...

As for my theories of Corporations and short term advantages - I think you have missed the point, the corporations making money from the actual war, will be the same companies who will be making money off the Oil... And the war in Iraq is ALL ABOUT THE LONG TERM... The US knew that if they didn't get Iraqs Oil, that Saddam would have got richer, and China would of got stronger...

Its all about the long term... Uses some foresight and you'll see...

Its sooo obvious to see why the rest of the world looks upon America with hatred - as thats exactly what the US has been doing since it was created, hatred against Native Americans, hatred against African Americans, hatred against the Vietnamese people, hatred against the Central American people, and now hatred against the Arab world...

Unlike nations such as those in Europe, right...? France has actively supported two genocides in the past decade or so.

And this makes it OKAY for America to do so WHY!?!? - Your argument is stupid, thats like saying Hitler killed millions of people, so its okay for me to kill hundreds of thousands... Its still people dying, your argument is like... A serial killer killed 10 people, and another serial killer killed only 3 people, so the second serial killer is let free - because he killed less than another psycho-path...

See the similarities?

Now imagine if, the Venezuelan people had arrested Osama Bin Laden, and wouldn't hand him over to the US... What do you think your government would do?

Maybe if the two nations asking weren't Venezuela and Cuba, we'd talk...

Ah, I see your lack of ability to form an intelligent response, forces you to make a onesided and hipcritical remark of your own - You might be able to run for President one day...

Again, thats like saying; if I killed, your whole family and pissed on their tombstones - you dont deserve justice... Infact, your response could even be seen as racist... Justice is Justice, you just demonstrated my exact point... One set of rules for the US, and another for the little guy...

Its just like who white billionaires can get away with anything, while African American people are sent to gaol (jail) by the truck-load...

[sarcasm] Ah, America - the land of the free...[/sarcasm]

The rest of the world can see that the US has one set of rules for itself, and another for all the other countries that aren't as big - and they have been demonstrating that they dont like it (like these protests prove) - its a shame that the vast majority of the American people cant see their governments hipocracy - its either that, or they dont care...

We're hypocrites? Tough. So is everyone else. That's how the world works. You can pretend all you want that it matters that the rest of the world doesn't like us, but it doesn't. If America wants something, we're going to have it in the end, and no other nation on this planet would do differently, and no other people would do differently then the American people.

Its a pity the very foundations that are holding up your country, are slowly decaying and are eventually going to give way - that is that; all the little countries will one day unite, and nationalise all the resource you have taken control of - and then what you will be left with...

A shoe 10 sizes too big for your foot...

Think about it... Heres a tip that might make it a little easier; get the FoxNews channel blocked and do some independant research into some of the things the US has done, and realise 9/11 was a pic-nic compartively...

Little America has done has compared to 9/11, at least anything you can prove we've done.

You didn't just say that did you? - How could anyone say something that dumb...

What about the 3 to 4 million Vietnamese people that died in the Vietnam War - at the hands of the US, and their offical policy of "terminate with extreme predjudice"

What about the hundreds of thousand of people that died in Nagasaki and Hiroshima by nuclear weapons!?!!, all at the hands of the US government...

And I would bet you all the money in the world, that more than 3000 inocent people have died in Iraq so far - Alot more... So you see, what your'e trying to say is that the 3000 people that died on September the 11th, has justified the killing of more than 100,000 Iraqis? - Remembering that a huge portion of those were inocent bi-standers... When the US people are attacked its called Terrorism... And when people die at the hands of the US its called - Collatoral Damage...