How does one join the Illuminati

Originally posted by 5aret
Sorry, I don't have a scanner to put them up. I can tell you what the letters say, and give you specific eyewitness reports. I would put them up if I had a scanner. I do have one piece of evidence though, you see I had a scanner and I saved this piece in my computer. Here it is:

You're kidding right? You post a random image of a thumbprint and think anyone would actually be stupid enough to think it means something? You really think you can post ANYTHING and pass it off as 'evidence'? If you really had any letters, you can get them scanned at Kinkos, or take a photocopy and mail 'em to me... I'll scan em and put em up for you.

Why would you even bother posting all the crap that you did? Why can't you just be a man and ADMIT that you have no evidence WHATSOEVER of what you claim? Please grow up and don't derail threads where grown ups are trying to have a serious conversation.

Originally posted by sebatwerk
Actually I am simply trying to approach the issue of its existence from a logical and rational angle. When I do that, i come to the simple conclusion that there is not, nor has there EVER been a single logical reason to believe they exist. Plain and simple.

For the same reason I've been doing what you're doing, I've a different insight/view than yours. Therefore we agree to disagree on our views.

Originally posted by sebatwerk
So please tell me, what makes Freemasonry a secret society? If we are listed in the phone book, we can be contacted anywhere, our members are open about their affiliation, our goals, constitutions, history, secrets, etc are all published and available to the public.... WHAT about Freemasonry makes it a secret society?

From Wikipedia:
A secret society is a social organization that requires its members to conceal certain activities—such as rites of initiation or club ceremonies—from outsiders. Members may be required to conceal or deny their membership, and are often sworn to hold the society's secrets by an oath. The term "secret society" is often used to describe fraternal organizations (e.g. Freemasonry) that may have secret ceremonies, but is also commonly applied to organizations ranging from the common and innocuous (collegiate fraternities) to mythical organizations described in conspiracy theories as immensely powerful, with self-serving financial or political agendas, global reach, and often satanic beliefs.
Source

There you have it (referring to the underlined part). Stick to it, Mr. 32º Freemason. Grow a clue.

Originally posted by sebatwerk
And the user you are thinking of is All-Seeing-Eye. When did he shoot me down in this topic? ALL he was ever able to do was to keep saying that Freemasonry is a cult over and over, and was NEVER able to support his claims. Even when I provided him with a link to definition of a cult, and to another that gave 21 reasons why Freemasonry could not be a cult, he simply kept stating over and over again. He was a typical troll, looking to get a reaction from us. Fine example you just provided

. So exactly how did he shoot me down again? Please support your claim with evidence.

As I stated I cannot remember which thread you and All-Seeing-Eye were discussing about it. It was two months ago. He had his views, you had yours, nothing changed.

Originally posted by sebatwerk
Or will you do like a troll does and, when it comes time to provide evidence, conveniently ignore the thread?

Just as you conveniently ignored actual and obvious facts I've known and researched already?

[edit on 7/2/2005 by the_oleneo]

Originally posted by the_oleneo
From Wikipedia:
A secret society is a social organization that requires its members to conceal certain activities—such as rites of initiation or club ceremonies—from outsiders.

There you have it (referring to the underlined part). Stick to it, Mr. 32º Freemason. Grow a clue.

IS that a secret society, or a society with secrets??? There is nothing secret about our society in itself, so how can it be secret? We have secrets, yes, but our society is not in any way shape or form secret. Can you demonstrate otherwise?

And by the way, your petty insults serve no purpose since you're the only one here who seems to have something to prove. I'll grow a clue when you decide to grow up

As I stated I cannot remember which thread you and All-Seeing-Eye were discussing about it. It was two months ago. He had his views, you had yours, nothing changed.

So then why did you say that he proved me wrong, or whatever it was you said? Now you state that nothing changed? Like I said, it's interesting how your claims change when it's time to walk the walk.

Just as you conveniently ignored actual and obvious facts I've known and researched already?

I've been asking you to post your facts for the past week! How many times have I asked you to PROVIDE EVIDENCE!?!? So go ahead, if you post 'em, I won't ignore 'em. I'm man enough to stand corrected, thought I doubt it will come to that.


[edit on 2-7-2005 by sebatwerk]

Originally posted by 5aret
Sorry, I don't have a scanner to put them up. I can tell you what the letters say, and give you specific eyewitness reports. I would put them up if I had a scanner. I do have one piece of evidence though, you see I had a scanner and I saved this piece in my computer. Here it is:

Strange how someone else is using the exact same image.

From www.rewardsforjustice.net...




Hey, why don't you make another story up?

Originally posted by sebatwerk
IS that a secret society, or a society with secrets??? There is nothing secret about our society in itself, so how can it be secret? We have secrets, yes, but our society is not in any way shape or form secret. Can you demonstrate otherwise?

You just admitted it: "We have secrets, yes....". No further questions.

Originally posted by sebatwerk
And by the way, your petty insults serve no purpose since you're the only one here who seems to have something to prove. I'll grow a clue when you decide to grow up

If you stop acting like a George Costanza.

Originally posted by sebatwerkI've been asking you to post your facts for the past week! How many times have I asked you to PROVIDE EVIDENCE!?!? So go ahead, if you post 'em, I won't ignore 'em. I'm man enough to stand corrected, thought I doubt it will come to that.

Whatever, dude. There's the Internet and books out there, just as I have. Make your own freaking conclusions.

Originally posted by the_oleneo
You just admitted it: "We have secrets, yes....". No further questions.

That's why I said we are a society with secrets. But our society itself is NOT secret. We have public buildings which anyone can visit, we are listed in the phone book, our members are public about their affiliation. Tell me, is this a secret society? Is the society of Freemasons a secret?

By your definition, ANY corporation is a secret society.

If you stop acting like a George Costanza.

Damn, that was funny! Dude you sure told me, Mr. 32nd degree big shot Freemason! I think I'll crawl back into my hole now and sob a while.

There's the Internet and books out there, just as I have. Make your own freaking conclusions.

I have made my own conclusions, based on logic, evidence and FACT. You have made your conclusions based on heresay, circumstance and ASSUMPTION.

In order to be an Illuminati you must first be an albino and you must be invited.

the only requirment is you have to enjoy being blind folded and SPANKED with a paddle by other men. Its very simple.....oh and you need to sell your soul!

Originally posted by fishmaster
the only requirment is you have to enjoy being blind folded and SPANKED with a paddle by other men. Its very simple.....oh and you need to sell your soul!

Well THAT certainly contributed to the discussion

Nice going pervert.

oh come on.......the rituals of this so-called-group is perverted. Ever seen eyes wide shut. Good example.....and how would anyone one really know we are not in this group. I think its a little silly this old club....it now been taken over again by the vatican and the Black Pope.

Originally posted by 5aret
My evidence is that I have eye witness accounts of people being talkiedto by the illumianati, I have several letter about the illuminati written by senators and the like, and I have several other pieces of evidence such as: footprints, fingerprints, etc... Theres you proof. It is little evidence, but it is evidence to me.

You do understand that none of these things are actual evidence for their existence, correct? It does not matter that some senators beleive in them. It does not matter that some peopel beleive that they have been 'contacted' by them.

Sorry, I don't have a scanner to put them up. I can tell you what the letters say, and give you specific eyewitness reports.

Why should any of them be accepted as evidence for their existence? Surely one can write a letter stating that they don't exist. Does that mean that they don't exist?

I do have one piece of evidence though, you see I had a scanner and I saved this piece in my computer.

How is that evidence of anything? Who's fingerprint is it, where was it found and how did you obtain it? Also, what exactly is it an image of? A printout of someone's fingerprint?

Originally posted by fishmaster
.......the rituals of this so-called-group is perverted

How do you know what their rituals are? Their very existence is called into question, and yet we are to beleive that their rituals are well known? They secretly control everything, and yet their rituals have been exposed?

have you ever seen the stone cutter's episode on the Simpson's, great stuff. you' would be surprised how accurate they can really be with that program.

I was under the impression that generally you had to be invited to join a secret society. this would kind of make sense when you consider that the nature of secret societies is to be secret!

dam right! and you need to be rich and powerful! Isn't Billy Graham a 33rd degree mason? This is news to me!

The Illuminati are supposedly part of the Freemasons. There is a remote possibility that the Freemasons exsist.

oh freemasons exist, my father and grandfather are one...I will never join.....Too dark for me. It is Satanic you know this eh?

Originally posted by sebatwerk
I have made my own conclusions, based on logic, evidence and FACT. You have made your conclusions based on heresay, circumstance and ASSUMPTION....

...based on FACTS.

YOU, Sebatwerk, don't know what I knew and understood from various media and private sources that I've learned and studied out there (the Internet, library, documentary, etc). If you don't like that, that's your problem. You're in denial and blinded to the obvious, I'm not.

Originally posted by LaFong
The Illuminati are supposedly part of the Freemasons. There is a remote possibility that the Freemasons exsist.

That's the silliest thing I've ever heard! Of course the Freemasons exist, several of us post in this forum regularly! You probably have several masonic lodges in your home town! Do some research, man.

Originally posted by the_oleneo
...based on FACTS.

YOU, Sebatwerk, don't know what I knew and understood from various media and private sources that I've learned and studied out there (the Internet, library, documentary, etc). If you don't like that, that's your problem. You're in denial and blinded to the obvious, I'm not.

What FACTS have you based your allegations on? My facts are clear: there has NEVER been any conclusive evidence brought forth to support the existence of the Illuminati. What are your FACTS?

Do not accuse me of being blind for not seeing things your way. I am just looking at this situation from a different perspective. I am only blind to anything that is not EVIDENCE or FACT

Originally posted by the_oleneo
Too dark for me. It is Satanic you know this eh?

Where do you get your information? You better find a new source, because that's the biggest pile of crap in the world. I have been a Freemason for a long time, and have NEVER seen anything REMOTELY satanic. Better do some research for yourself.

I don't even know why I'm dignifying this with an answer... :bnghd: