Iraq: 30 People dead so far today, 720 since April 28th. (UPDATED)

I see the crack down on insurgents isn't going to well today, 27 people are ready dead today, bringing the total to 720 since April 28th.

And so the chaos continues...Latest news article

I don't see how setting up 675 check points will do any good, the insurgents will just move to different cities and cause chaos there.

If the U.S. Troops would stop busting down peoples doors, arresting all the men, breaking everything in the house and stealing stuff from the houses we'd stop making so many Iraqi enemies.

UPDATE:

The Death Toll creeped up to 30 people killed today Source





[edit on 29-5-2005 by ProphetOfYahweh]

So the fun continues !

As long is there is tyrants, murderers and terrorists we will continue to kick there ass !

The problem is "Do we really see an end to all of this ? "

The Jihad is only at it's begining stages and I am sure that now once we are over in the east we will always have a military presense in the middle east.

It's nothing more than signs of the times as once predicted in the bible.

It's just a matter of time till we prevail but it's not going to ba an easy war and there will be bloodshed on both sides but God has already gauranteed us victory !

Peace Out !

Well, lets see there are somethings that I'm concerned about in the thread that you posted here.

One you say that the soldiers and Marines that are on the ground over there are stealing stuff. One I don't beleive this especially with all the attention the military has been getting. I'm sure their on their best behavior.

Breaking down doors is a necassary when entering a house to check for insurgents. Its part of the mission to get any suspected insurgents out. I mean surprize is one of the most important things when entering a hostile enviroment. You would knock on your enemies door and say hey I'm coming in to get you, allowing him to get ready for you. Would you? I didn't think so.

And its proven that alot of the insurgents are foreign to Iraq.

The Government is seeking to have a bill passed that will allow the Bush Admin. to use 10 Kiloton bunker busting nukes in pre-emptive strikes against Iran and North Korea Link. They'd probably end up using them in Iraq too, all in the name of stopping the insurgency, killing thousands in the process of course.

What, I doubt that they would use bunker busters in Iraq there are no bunkers to bust any more so why would they use them in Iraq.

And I have heard nothing of the U.S.'s policy change in using nuclear weapons as a Attacking weapon. It might be probable that in the case of going to war with Iran/ North Korea that they might use it but I have heard nothing.

One you say that the soldiers and Marines that are on the ground over there are stealing stuff. One I don't beleive this especially with all the attention the military has been getting. I'm sure their on their best behavior.

Here is the article about the US Troops busting into peoples houses and destroying everything;

Perhaps the most invasive are house raids by U.S. forces. The International Committee of the Red Cross described how the raids are conducted in a February 2004 report:

"Arresting authorities entered houses usually after dark, breaking down doors, waking up residents roughly, yelling orders, forcing family members into one room under military guard while searching the rest of the house and further breaking doors, cabinets, and other property. They arrested suspects, tying their hands in the back with flexicuffs, hooding them, and taking them away. Sometimes they arrested all adult males in the house, including elderly, handicapped, or sick people. Treatment often included pushing people around, insulting, taking aim with rifles, punching and kicking, and striking with rifles. Individuals were often led away in whatever they happened to be wearing at the time of arrest – sometimes pyjamas or underwear... In many cases personal belongings were seized during the arrest with no receipt given.... In almost all incidents documented by the ICRC, arresting authorities provided no information about who they were, where their base was located, nor did they explain the cause of arrest. Similarly, they rarely informed the arrestee or his family where he was being taken or for how long, resulting in the defacto disappearance of the arrestee for weeks or even months until contact was finally made."

Most of these intrusive and aggressive raids turn up nothing – 70 percent according to one officer – and most of those detained are soon released. The International Committee of the Red Cross reports being told by military intelligence officers that between 70 percent and 90 percent of these were being held by mistake – an estimate affirmed independently by some who have worked in the system. These invasive house searches continue. Last week, U.S. marines went from town-to-town along the Syrian border searching houses and finding nothing – but certainly seeding the ground for new resistance fighters.

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Destroying peoples homes and stealing their property isn't going to win the "hearts and minds" of the Iraqis.

Well in your sorce said 70 to 95 percent of people contained were obtained by accident, that's a pretty large error ratio 70 to 95. Now what about the other 30 to 5 percent that are captured that means that out of 100 people 70 are innocent and let free and another 30 are actually insurgents. Isn't that a good number of insurgents captured not causing any problems out in baghdad. 30 captured insurgents, I'm not going to say a small number but to a number of people who get a little discomfort.

Originally posted by demosthenes...that means that out of 100 people 70 are innocent and let free and another 30 are actually insurgents. Isn't that a good number of insurgents captured not causing any problems out in baghdad.

Were they really insurgents or were they people who were minding their own business until their homes were raided?

If I raid 100 homes in the US I'm pretty sure that at least 30 of them will have people that will draw a gun on me or fight back in some other way, which would make them insurgents.

Ok two very large differences between the US and Iraq and their obivous.
One the US does not have a insurgent problem that is killing dozens daily.
Two Iraq does.

Therefore there is no need to go house to house in the U.S. as in Iraq it is needed. And if you went into a house in the U.S. for no good reason then you would surely be shot. In Iraq the people who are arrested and detained(this is referring to the 30) usually have multiple weapons and are and obsurd amount of munitions and other weapons. And the reason they are detained is for a probable cause.