Vampires... i need info

my mind is not closed there are many things that i belive in and
others i do not, i simply do not belive in this, i belive there must be a line to draw between fiction and reality

good post though

[edit on 3-6-2005 by klain]

That is probably the best thing.
The conclusion I had made after all of that time is that it will never be proven and is a subject of folklore and theory.
While demons can and do effect things in my belief because I'm Christian, that does not mean everyone else must go by it.
It is a subject of choices made and theory, which is not and will never be based on fact in this world today.
If there were ever anything more vague and non-provable than reptilians-lol- then vampires would be it.
Although the point made by me is that as in many beliefs, demons can make strange things happen, which science cannot understand.

Again, it's a matter of choices. What to believe and what not to believe.
D

Hmmm Vampirism..... in a way i wish it were true.... ive always wanted to be a vamp lol

Annunaki

I dont wana appear like Im nagging you or anything....LoL,

But have you checked out that Doctor yet???......Or are you spending far too much time on the computer......!!!!



[edit on 3-6-2005 by Jacqua]

lol It's rare for it to take so long, and the symptoms you listed have nothing to do with vampirism, and D is pretty much correct with vamp's mainly existing on the Astral plane.

The things I've read about psy vamps sound crazy to me. I've read that someone could be a psy vamp and not even know it. The thought that I could be draining people of energy and not even realize it sounds crazy to me. Of course I have wondered if you could do that, why couldn't you accidently give the energy to some other people and even modify the weather or some other crazy stuff with energy. If I told someone that I felt sick and very tired after getting up late one morning and went into a fast food place such as Burger King to order lunch, then the girl who took my order suddenly looked dazed and extremely tired, someone might think I had the power I read about especially if I said I felt better afterwards. I remember something like that happened but I suspect the girl was probably already experiencing problems before she took my order. I remember the incident because she tripped and fell hitting her head on a metal cabinet with a loud thud. Psy vamps sound interesting to read about but I have yet to see any proof.

So has the resident vampire here been checked out by a doctor yet to make sure his condition is not serious?

to be honest with you all espically with myself i disbelive in the "whole vampire, garlic, fangs, supernatural powers hollywood crap etc". I am not saying i dont believe in the legend, behind every myth is a legend, behind every legend lies the source of the information and the fact, and i think most people have this picture in there heads of vampires out of blade and so on and the picture of the "vampire" is totally blown out of prorportion. Like i said i believe in the legend someone drinking anothers blood perhaps getting some kind of virus craving blood, but i think they have been exaggerated for years. anyway thats just my opinion and some will disagree with me but i am happy for constructive criticism about this to maybe open my mind some more.

By the way i have a question for you Annunaki you say you feel tired in the day and restless at night, when i left school i was a bum for aout 6 months just at home and i got myself into a pretty bad sleeping pattern, up all night on the PC and sleeping all day. Not getting enough sun (vitamin C) and the longer you do this to yourself the more the sun, bright lights will irratate you. So if your sleeping patterns are all messed up try fixing them going for walks getting air in your lungs and most of all eat healthy also see your doctor he will probably be able to give you some good advice.

I hope i mightov helped you in a way and hope you get better from whatever you are experiancing.

All I know is I absolutely hate the whole vampire thing. Their use to be a gang in OK that thought they were vampires and would break into peoples' house and cute them then drink their blood. Its been a long time since that though. I was 7 when I saw it on the news and quite frankly I think it will scar me for the rest of my life.

All I know is I absolutely hate the whole vampire thing. Their use to be a gang in OK that thought they were vampires and would break into peoples' house and cute them then drink their blood. Its been a long time since that though. I was 7 when I saw it on the news and quite frankly I think it will scar me for the rest of my life.

just saw a physician, there isnt the proper doctor around here. Im willing to bet its all coincidence. theanks for the input everyone though

serotonin and dopamine are not drugs, they are just chemicals. I dont have any "condition" other than that my brain doesnt produce enough of it so it causes me problems. What makes you think it wasnt a sudden thought? i said the girl thought SHE was a vampire, not I.

out of curiousity, what is a kenesthesiologist (or whatever)? i've heard of it before, but... just dont know

Most users of both these chemicals suffer from either Depression,a Bipolar Disorder eg Manic depression or Anxiety eg Obsessive compulsive Disorder,Panic Disorder,Social phobia.Schizoprenia and other psychoses.Poor impulse Control eg Eating disorders,rage attacks,Impulsive Criminal or other Anti Social Activites,Compulsive self Mutilation.Chronic Pain,Parkinsons,Insomnia,Neurological Movement Disorders,Some Forms of Epilepsy,Autism,Tourettes syndrome,Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder,Ailtzeimers and Snial Dementia.
If you take to much Serotonin a condition called Serotonin Syndrome will occur whic affects all three nervous systems.The symptoms of the Autonomic Nervous System are Increased Body Temp,Sweeting,Hypertension,Dizziness increased Heart Rate,Nausea,Diarrhoea.The Somatic Nervous System Symptoms are Muscle Twitching,Hyperreflexia,Tremor.The Cognitive Symptoms are confusion,Agitation,Headache and in sever increases Coma,Death.

Firstly, a bit about porphyria.

This is the gist, though:

Q: How does one get porphyria?
A: In each type of porphyria, there is a deficiency of a specific "enzyme." These enzymes are involved in the synthesis of "heme," a substance important to many body functions and found in largest amounts in the bone marrow, red blood cells, and the liver. Heme exists as hemoglobin in the bone marrow and red blood cells but has other functions in other tissues such as the liver. The type of porphyria present is determined by which enzyme is deficient. These enzyme deficiencies usually are inherited. Environmental factors, such as drugs, chemicals, diet, and sun exposure can, depending on the type of porphyria, greatly influence the severity of symptoms.

The inherited porphyrias are either autosomal dominant (inherited from one parent) or autosomal recessive (inherited from both parents). "Autosomal" genes always occur in pairs, with one coming from each parent. Individuals with an autosomal dominant form of porphyria have one abnormal gene paired with a normal one, and half of their offspring (on the average) will inherit the gene for the disease, while the other half will inherit the normal gene. Some of those who inherit the abnormal gene will develop symptoms. Individuals with an autosomal recessive type of porphyria have a pair of abnormal genes, and each of their children will inherit one abnormal gene for that disease, which will be paired with a normal gene from the other parent, and there will be no symptoms. If two carriers of the same abnormal recessive gene have children, approximately one fourth of their offspring will inherit two abnormal genes, and these children will develop symptoms of the disease. Because all porphyrias are uncommon, it is very unlikely that more than one type will occur in the same family, or that someone with one type of porphyria will go on to develop another.

Now - about vampires.

I'd love to see a definition as to what constitutes a "real" vampire. I'd also be very interested to see any proof that after being bitten (by a person), the victim becomes a vampire as a result. I keep hearing "awakening" being bandied about, but I'm yet to see anything which would constitute proof.

Any offers?

I have no doubt that there are folk who believe themselves to be vampires - but there are also people who believe they were Winston Churchill or Cleopatra in a past life, you know? (and no, I'm not implying that either suggestion means the person has a mental condition - just pointing out that belief in something doesn't always mean it's true).

It seems we need some evidence - some reliable sources.

note: whoever - sorry, forgot who - suggested that someone prove a negative...that's not the way it works. It's not up to that person to disprove your point...you make a positive statement (in this case, "vampires exist"), you're the one expected to back it up

With regards to the original poster's medical symptoms - might be a good time to get a thorough checkup, to rule out various things.

Originally posted by weirdo

serotonin and dopamine are not drugs, they are just chemicals. I dont have any "condition" other than that my brain doesnt produce enough of it so it causes me problems. What makes you think it wasnt a sudden thought? i said the girl thought SHE was a vampire, not I.

out of curiousity, what is a kenesthesiologist (or whatever)? i've heard of it before, but... just dont know

Most users of both these chemicals suffer from either Depression,a Bipolar Disorder eg Manic depression or Anxiety eg Obsessive compulsive Disorder,Panic Disorder,Social phobia.Schizoprenia and other psychoses.Poor impulse Control eg Eating disorders,rage attacks,Impulsive Criminal or other Anti Social Activites,Compulsive self Mutilation.Chronic Pain,Parkinsons,Insomnia,Neurological Movement Disorders,Some Forms of Epilepsy,Autism,Tourettes syndrome,Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder,Ailtzeimers and Snial Dementia.
If you take to much Serotonin a condition called Serotonin Syndrome will occur whic affects all three nervous systems.The symptoms of the Autonomic Nervous System are Increased Body Temp,Sweeting,Hypertension,Dizziness increased Heart Rate,Nausea,Diarrhoea.The Somatic Nervous System Symptoms are Muscle Twitching,Hyperreflexia,Tremor.The Cognitive Symptoms are confusion,Agitation,Headache and in sever increases Coma,Death.

Ok - we have a mix up here. Serotonin is a natural chemical, present in our body. So is dopamine. What you're referring to, when you talk about Serotonin Syndrome, is when you increase your natural levels to a dangerous degree - this can happen when you're prescribed too high a dosage of certain antidepressants (called the SSRIs - selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors).

Let's not confuse the terms - everyone naturally has dopamine and serotonin and depression occurs sometimes when these are unbalanced. The point being, everyone already has these chemicals present - it's the imbalance that requires the need for medication

(quick question... a physician IS a doctor...both have medical degrees, both can do the same things. Did you mean a physician nurse, or a physican assistant?)

Only type of vampire I know is the Energy Vampire. These people suck the life out of you, but in a whole different way. Instead of blood they suck out your energy that you use. They don't suck it all out, but you will end up feeling very tired at the end.

Easy way to counter them is setting up a shield and the second they start sucking the energy change your soul signature (everyone has 2 signatures and some even 3) so that they can't connect to you for a long time. When they do just keep switching between signatures.

And no, these don't only show up on the Astral. They're every day people like everyone else, but they suck out energy of others. Most don't even know that they do. Most don't randomly suck, but only do it from people they are currently talking with. I'm sure a lot of people experienced talking with a certain someone and felt very drained afterwards, every time you spoke with em.

[edit on 10-6-2005 by Enyalius]

Ok - we have a mix up here. Serotonin is a natural chemical, present in our body. So is dopamine. What you're referring to, when you talk about Serotonin Syndrome, is when you increase your natural levels to a dangerous degree - this can happen when you're prescribed too high a dosage of certain antidepressants (called the SSRIs - selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors).

Let's not confuse the terms - everyone naturally has dopamine and serotonin and depression occurs sometimes when these are unbalanced. The point being, everyone already has these chemicals present - it's the imbalance that requires the need for medication

(quick question... a physician IS a doctor...both have medical degrees, both can do the same things. Did you mean a physician nurse, or a physican assistant?)

No mix up.


The Author states he takes both Chemicals to compensate his natural levels.Levels can decrease with the disorders mentioned in my post.My point is that this person may be in a state mentally that would explain what they believe to be happening to them.No disrespect to the Author but people with mental disabilities can function everyday and use a computer.

True for the most part - but many mental illnesses would in fact make it nigh on impossible to function adequately in our society.

Nothing is black and white, but even less so in this case.

(The reverse is also true - some of the most severe disorders might still allow the sufferer to function perfectly well in certain situations).

Has anyone ever found reliable evidence relating to vampirism outside of the porphyria scenarios?

Originally posted by Tinkleflower
True for the most part - but many mental illnesses would in fact make it nigh on impossible to function adequately in our society.

Nothing is black and white, but even less so in this case.

(The reverse is also true - some of the most severe disorders might still allow the sufferer to function perfectly well in certain situations).

Has anyone ever found reliable evidence relating to vampirism outside of the porphyria scenarios?

All the Murders that have been comitied by socalled Vampires have been commited by people with Mental Health problems not supernatural abilities.Many hundreds of thousands of people live in society with mental health problems everyday.
Countess Erzebet Bathory is credited to be the first person motivated by Vampire-releated crime.She was also one of the most Blood Thirsty in History.Born in 1560 she grew up experiancing uncontrollable seizures and rages.She killed over 650 victims.She was imprisoned in her own castle and died three years after her trial.Most of her victims were biten and rumours were that she would drink and bath in there blood.No supernatural abilities has evet been recorded on the many hundreds socalled Vampires.
Richard Trenton Chase was nicknamed Dracula.He drank other peoples blood stating that he needed it otherwise he would die.He was preoccupied with any sign that something was wrong with him.He once entered an Emergency room claiming he was looking for the person who stole his Pulmonery Artery.After being institutionalised several times he was diagnoised as being Schizophrenic suffering from Sometic Dilliusions.Nurses nicknamed him Dracula after finding him sucking blood from birds he had trapped.Eventually he was deemed no long a danger and released back into the community.Soon after he entered Teresa Wallins house she was three months pregnant.After shooting her twice he removed her left nipple,cut open her torso cut out her Kidneys,cut her pancreas then he drained her body of blood and drank it.Soon after he killed three more people one a six year old after he killed them he took the boy home removed several organs eat them then drained the body of blood and drank it.He was caught not long after sentance to death but died after a drug overdose.
Psychiatrists are aware that there exists a Behaviour known as Clinical Vampirism which is a syndrome involving the delusion of actually being a Vampire and feeling the need for blood.This arises not from fiction but from erotic attraction to blood and the idea that it conveys certain powers,although the actual manifestation of the fantasy may be influencied by fiction.It develops through fantasies involving sexual excitment.They call it Renfields Syndrome.Noting people that suffer from it are primarily male.The first stage is some event that happens before pubertiy were the child is excited in a sexual way by some event that involves blood injury or the ingestion of blood.At pubert it becomes fused with sexual fantasy and the typical person with Reinfelds Syndrome AutoVapirisms and then move on to living creatures.Thats all is known fro the few cases studied.It has Fetishstic and Compulsive components.

[edit on 10-6-2005 by weirdo]

Yeah, I was aware of those - but thankyou so much for your response

I should have phrased it better.

I'm curious if there's any evidence of the more "supernatural" vampires - you know, the ones involving "awakening", etc etc.

I don't honestly consider psychiatric vampirism to be under the same header.

Any ideas?

Originally posted by Tinkleflower
Yeah, I was aware of those - but thankyou so much for your response

I should have phrased it better.

I'm curious if there's any evidence of the more "supernatural" vampires - you know, the ones involving "awakening", etc etc.

I don't honestly consider psychiatric vampirism to be under the same header.

Any ideas?

As of yet there is no evidance to suggest anybody that has been caught posses "Supernatural" powers.The interesting thing behind people that kill and drink blood do not thereselves in most cases state they are Vampires.Only one case were a person claimed after he was caught was a Vampire but that was so that his counsel could plead insanity.Nearly all the crimes are nicknamed Vampires due to the nature of the crime not the persons claims of.Most people that claim to be Vampires rarly carry out killings but prefer to look/act out role play.One couple that did step over that line are Manuela Ruda (23) and Daniel Ruda (26).In 2002 the couple met throught a rock magazine.In court Manuela claim she got a taste of vapire cults in Britain.She had learned to drink blood at bite parties.They would bite all parts of the body except the jugular.They are now locked in a secure institution after killing a friend.they stabed himm 66 times attacked him with hammers then left his decomposing body next to Manuelas coffin.You could argue that somebody with that ability may never get caught,but they if needed to kill to get blood to survive would leave a trail of evidence or lack of.Thats always been the problem with all things beyond human.Lack of evidence, but plenty of reasons why.

[edit on 10-6-2005 by weirdo]

Vlad the Impaler, the bloodthirsty ho you described, Jack the Ripper...

Peoples minds are eased by identifying one person with the crimes. I mean, 650 victims? That sounds like quite a few entities were feasting along with the countess, regardless of who was physically attributed the death (I mean, if it was her castle, then everyone who was involved would default the blame to her, in this case).

Its called making a scapegoat.

Any way, next time you see a news report about kids drowning (3 of them), or kids dying in a fire (like what happened about a month ago) you will know there is something more to what happened than just what was physically going on.

The chap in this thread was trying to stir up interest, while including anecdotal tales from his real life and imagination (which is perceived as real by all of us, at times).

Don't let this thread trick you into thinking any one thing for certain about the non-existence of vampires, and their nature.

Perhaps there are true vampires, who are not physical, but by feeding on a host, the host inadvertently becomes a sort of energy vamp? Just a thought.