Plausibility Analysis of Archuleta Mesa (Dulce Base)

reply to post by MCory1



I've lived in Northern New Mexico for over 25 years. Fished, hiked, gambled in the Jicarilla Apache casino, visited friends in Dulce. Traveled over Highway 64 more times than I can remember. There may be an underground base there but I haven't seen any real evidence of one.
There is a lot of oil and gas activity on the Rez and especially around the 4corners. I don't recall any heavy mining activity on Archuleta mesa that would indicate a base.

I recall some ATS members going to Dulce. I don't think they found anything.

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Hi neighbor nw NM resident 40 years here . I too have fished hunted and worked in the area for years.

I have done my stint in the patch . Worked on rigs punching holes on and around the said mesa . I know the whole area has been seismographed by Amoco the old Texaco XTO and Conaco Philips . Depending on who holds the mineral lease on what part of acreage who seisamgraphed which area.

If someone could get a look at the readings that could help. You would have to determine what area is likely and who owns the lease there . and if it is under production if it is then most likely there has been a graph taken .

I travel to just west of the mesa once a week for subcontracting with a gas company. I have Drove around beyond my prescribed duties to look for any clue for any basis for these base claims on Archuleta Mesa and I havent seen any . I started going to the area in 1968 hunting on the Carson which is just west of Archuleta Mesa and the jicarillia reservation. We did get a permits to hunt on the mesa in the 70s 7 or 8 times turkey deer and elk . Then I wasn't concerned with a base but was consumed with the wildlife action and populations to maximize success we didnt run into any thing out of the ordinary on the western side of Archuleta Mesa never did the town side south or the east but did up to the Colorado border . I personally have my doubts that any thing is there .

The area is Big and alot of cliffs and canyons . but I have my doubts .

Just had to comment on this. There doesn't actually seem to be anything in the way of evidence to support the theory, so I'm not by any means jumping on the over enthusiastic bandwagon.

In the event such a base did exist, I can well understand why it would be a good location. Lets face it.. you build on federal land and you are subject to all manner of surveys, planning requests (federal laws?) and whatever else. You build somewhere in "reserved" land and it's further out the way. Plus I don't know what the native records are like - can the odd one go missing with less fuss?

Re: Traffic in and out... WHY? lol. If you're building a huge underground research facility, why would you need people to travel? Put residences inside duh.

As far as genetic research is concerned, there's a whole heap of arguaments in favor of. Both in terms of efficiency and ability, construction, miltary, science or other. Also there's the survivability angle - if the worst does happen, most people would take comfort in knowing that even in another form, life goes on.

Try working on the UV reflection / resistance now peeps? ;op

Here is a link to an interesting thread on the topic:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
This talks about how using seismic data, one can see that during a certain time period, the earthquakes in the Dulce area seem to line up in an oddly symmetrical way. Disregard his theory about the door and the triangle, because the "door in the mountain" is actually an error that appears every 2.2 miles in google earth.
Here is another interesting site in which you can make your own judgements about:
www.subversiveelement.com...

The Dulce base is yet another part of Ufology with absolutely no evidence to go with. We don't even have hoaxed videos or blurry photos, we have only a few poorly written accounts on the internet that read like corny 1990s science fiction.

These ufo hunter investigations are sometimes very superficial...but you can extract some good information most of the times.

One of the thing that caught my attention on this episode was when the Indian dude from the reservation says that he knows that there is a 14 mile underground tunnel to the south of the mesa, and that he knew the location of 2 tunnel entrances but that he wouldnt take them there. " I'm not gonna go there" he said. he was obviously afraid of something...and you can tell by is body languiage during the interview that he is very unconfortable talking about this...that was weird...

I love dulce topic and about all the alien stuff. Great article and I myself am still gathering information to put together that recently popped up. Will post in next couple of days.

Originally posted by MCory1
Preamble: This is a long post. And it intentionally makes no claim one way or another about any of the reported happenings at Archuleta Mesa, more commonly known as the "Dulce Base." This is merely an attempt to determine whether or not it is reasonable to think that an installation could have been built at the time. I apologize for the length, but I could not think of any way to split it up as Gazrok did with Roswell, and while some of it is rather editorial, the majority of it is relevant. Any comments are most welcome; if you find any flaws, please don't hesitate to let me know. I hope that if nothing else this stimulates some more serious thought into the area, and any criticism is appreciated. So, without further ado...

Desert Secrets

There’s something happening here;
What it is ain’t exactly clear…
—Buffalo Springfield, "For What it's Worth"

In the ufology field, like any other research area, the material falls in a large spectrum of publicity. At one end, there’s the Roswell incident of July 6th, 1947, where the military allegedly seized a crashed space craft. There’s the Travis Walton abduction case, popularized in the 1993 movie “Fire in the Sky.” The abduction of Betty and Barney Hill in late 1961 has received lesser fanfare, but is still a favorite among believers. There’s the lesser known “Battle of LA,” where the military fired on an unknown object in the early morning of February 25th. At the other end of the spectrum lay the innumerable eyewitness accounts and tales that never receive any attention at all, and often are debunked without more than a cursory glance.

Somewhere in the midst of this spectrum, towards the more quietly spoken end, lies the story of the Archuleta Mesa, commonly referred to as the Dulce Base (due to Dulce, NM being the nearest town.) While a detailed account is beyond the scope of this paper, a brief overview of the story as accounted on AboveTopSecret.com is in order.

Under the Archuleta Mesa in northern New Mexico and southern Colorado, the United States military maintains an extremely confidential, multi-level facility dedicated to research of extraterrestrial beings and technology. A large number of extraterrestrial beings are said to reside in this facility, from various races and worlds. In 1979, there was a revolt of the aliens, and the majority of the human workforce was killed. While the base was closed for a brief period of time, it was eventually reopened and operations recommenced.

Regardless of the validity of the story, it does make for excellent reading. Aliens, government conspiracies, secret bases, it’s all the bread and butter of any science fiction writer. Throw into the mix the various accounts of cattle mutilations, mysterious helicopters loitering in the area, and strange lights in the skies. You now have a plot worthy of any Hollywood production team.

While the story of the aliens being held and having a small war is farfetched, prior to dismissing it out of hand one of the more mundane aspects of the story needs to be considered. Is it even reasonable for such a base to have been constructed? In order to determine the plausibility of such construction, there are several variables that must be considered.

The Archuleta Mesa, as stated above, is situated in northern New Mexico and southern Colorado. It is definitely tall enough to maintain a large internal structure, standing at approximately 9,236 feet in elevation. However, the mesa stands on an intrusion of augite andesite (granite) over 300 feet thick. While this in itself does not necessarily preclude an installation being built to any depth below the mesa, it would make for the extension of the base below this sill rather difficult.

Preamble to something and that is clear. Martian Child with John Cusack really a schmuck. The Bear on the Moon and Shangrila might have to wait, well I have an ancestor, who came over on the Mayflower, so that we came here as refugees from Europe. A pale blue turquoise house, a ghost rider departed across to Tumbola (Gazrok) through the dark veil of rain and fog. According to Time, a magazine with a history of theories of Beast men.

Tha horror film with Romero the chief shaper. It moves sensationally beyond the limits of all that is hideous, revolting and loathsome. Alien Invasion Imprinting on Fox news, anything green that is good for the cholesterol. The magical sleigh base "recommenced" the government forcing us to learn a foreign language so we can see Star of Bethlehem shows in Dulce Spanish. The physiognomy of the leopard skin creature make it easier to hunt, gave Turtle and skunk "appropriate tails."

Bought on ebay like my wonderful digital camera and cheap laptop with a crack on the hinge. I like them but they both make sort of a wheezing noise. Down below Archuleta Mesa Multi-level facility you hear wheezing of monstrous Chimera's fire breathing features of a female mixed with a couger. Or a human baby with Caterpillar features (stomach form of huckleberries) crawls and builds a cocoon turning into a moth. Miniature human hands making a whimpering call.

Only Indians at the top know about it, but they are intimidated by a mastery of "Quark" who will make their life a living hell. I don't even really consider these people anything but more than mirages of this huge clown-like charade. Definitely glad that the Doctor-Professor idea that there are people coming from out in the distance with their dogs. Golden Retrievers security guards at the Rockies, fighting against the aliens (what the puck?)

Originally posted by MCory1
Thanks for the link Azathoth, I appreciate it. Unfortunately though it poses the same problem I've had with lots of research I've done into UFO's and other, more mundane topics: timeframe. It seems most of the statistics for measuring the drug trade start in the 1980's. Of course, this is probably due to the increase in public awareness at the time, and a higher demand for the government to do something about it. I did find some arrest information for the 60's, but as you state regarding your link, that only shows a small subset. Not everyone involved in the drug trade was arrested.

The moral degeneration of the 1960s, pilfered to levels of management and supervision over the course of the decade onward, for much of which fear of the FBI and kindred security agencies were much to be blamed. The drug trade is a British oligarch problem, supplants patriotic motivation. The economy crashing, wonder because drugs the elite and bloody royals?

Public awareness, you're a dog (guilty) if you believe the philosophy of "just stick to things."

Hello. Please do not research me as I wish to remain anonymous/private. I grew up visiting the Mesa. A very close relative of mine had land there (on it and around it). When we would go a man who typically stayed in a guard tower made to look like a tree would come and check my relatives ID. We would jokingly call him Arnold as he looked like Arnold Schwarzenegger. He DID NOT wear a suit, but jeans and a flannel shirt. He carried a long gun. We had a ranch there. I was never told as a child why he was checking the relatives ID. This relative is deceased now which is why I feel more comfortable speaking of this.
No, I do not believe there is alien activity going on there. There was a rumor that the DOD had some aspect of the Star Wars operation inside of that Mesa. I also heard that perhaps there was a machine/structure that had to be cooled off so part of a river was made to run through the Mesa to naturally cool it (though this I'm not so sure of).
My relative was highly involved in the CIA and DOD (Department of Defense). This relative aided in some superficial construction on the Mesa. We would camp on the Mesa and spend much time on our ranch. I never saw one cow mutilation or any evidence of UFO/extraterrestrial life. This is not to say that the government doesn't/didn't have something related to the DOD going on there.
Just trying to inject a bit of personal first ha d knowledge here.

a reply to: Turiddu

There was something going on there, but not extraterrestrial. I also think the program that was at the base has been over for decades.

Btw when A relative in the car asked Arnold" what was going on up there that he needed to check ID of Anyone entering he said the government was sampling/testing/treating tree blight. Haha. a reply to: Noonereallygetsit

a reply to: Noonereallygetsit
have you tried to revisit the area on ur own?