How Does David Blaine Levitate? Do You Know?

Originally posted by Paul_Richard
Good work Vector!

I quote one of the sites you listed:

s t r o n g - p o i n t s :
* can be performed any time any place,
* looks absolutely beautiful,
* is quite easy to master,
* can be repeated again,
* uses NO gimmicks,
w e a k - p o i n t s :
* a little angle sensitive,
* needs good misdirection.

The levitation shown doesn't quite have the height that David Blaine has in his Street Magic film but it is nevertheless impressive.

Note that Blaine often gets sick after doing his levitation while Corey King does not. This points to King's version being an illusion and Blaine's being TK. Telekinetic energies can indeed cause one to become ill. I know this from experience.

Ever done any acting in your time buddy? Its real easy to fake being ill, honestly. King rising is just an example of ways you can pretend to levitate that look damned convincing. Other such effects are zero gravity and elevator 1/2...

Originally posted by Lanotom
If you had listened to Prophet Yahweh on WLW700 last night you would have heard him say that David Blaine and Chris Angel have real powers.

I don't believe so but it's what he claims.

Chris Angel ROCKS !!! now thats a weird guy .... very very weird...hmmmmm

King Rising = Balducci Levitation

The guy changed the name so he could score some coin on the internet.

I paid $24 or so dollars for that trick from that site a few years ago and that's how I learned it.

Originally posted by Vector J
Ever done any acting in your time buddy? Its real easy to fake being ill, honestly.

Sure it is. But only someone who is experienced with telekinesis would know that being ill is part of what can happen. Blaine isn't acting for the ignorant masses who would not know the difference one way or the other. He is sickly after doing levitation because telekinetic energies, especially those channeled through the body from Group Entities, can and often will make one ill.

Originally posted by Vector J
King rising is just an example of ways you can pretend to levitate that look damned convincing. Other such effects are zero gravity and elevator 1/2...

The antigravity technology of the Zetan-aliens can mimic telekinesis. Namely, their green colored ray that has been known to immobilize helicopters in flight. But this isn't true telekinesis.

Levitation is not the only indication that Blaine has a TK Gift. His card transposition (teleportation) is another. I've seen sleight-of-hand on stage and it can be impressive. Now let's see someone teleport a card outdoors to a little girl's back pocket from across a table. Or to throw a deck of cards at a restaurant window and to have the pertinent card be stuck on the other side of the glass.

Have any sites to offer us of people who can duplicate this?

Whenever I am around someone who has a TK Gift, I get sick to my stomach because GE energies are abrasive to me. If someone is doing stage trickery this doesn't happen.

This occurred when I was around "The Amazing Kreskin" during a live performance in the early 1990s. He took a bunch of thick college rings from the audience and telekinetically welded them together on a ringsizer. He then passed them around to the audience so they could confirm that it was in fact their rings that were connected. He then took the chain of rings and pulled them apart -- as if nothing happened to them in the first place. (This was a lot like Blaine's "trick" of biting a piece off a quarter that a pedestrian hands him and then spitting it back together.)

With Kreskin, I felt the energies being channeled and got dizzy and nauseous at my table. This confirmed to me that a large GE was working around him. Another tip-off from Kreskin: he prefaced the stunt by saying, "Sometimes this works and sometimes this doesn't."

Direct experience teaches better than anything else

God help me if I ever get around Sai Baba of India. Despite the fact that his Gifts have lessened from age, I would probably wind up losing my lunch.

Hmm. I guess if I puked on that old pedophile it wouldn't be a total waste.

Like I stated before, I can tell the illusionists from the Real McCoy. The problem with many here is that they simply don't have any experience with telekinesis. They have yet to overcome the initial hurdle of believing that it can occur in the first place and to embrace the idea that not everything is a trick of some kind.

Hey, if everything were a trick, then no religion would have ever gotten off the ground. Miracles make religions, not just charismatic leaders. After the leader is gone, the memory of the present-day miracle is what lasts. Miracles are based on the power of telekinesis and that power is a Gift of the Spirit -- which means that large groups of discarnates are generating that energy.

And so it is...



[edit on 31-5-2005 by Paul_Richard]

Originally posted by Paul_Richard

Originally posted by Vector J
Ever done any acting in your time buddy? Its real easy to fake being ill, honestly.

Sure it is. But only someone who is experienced with telekinesis would know that being ill is part of what can happen. Blaine isn't acting for the ignorant masses who would not know the difference one way or the other. He is sickly after doing levitation because telekinetic energies, especially those channeled through the body from Group Entities, can and often will make one ill.

Originally posted by Vector J
King rising is just an example of ways you can pretend to levitate that look damned convincing. Other such effects are zero gravity and elevator 1/2...

The antigravity technology of the Zetan-aliens can mimic telekinesis. Namely, their green colored ray that has been known to immobilize helicopters in flight. But this isn't true telekinesis.

Levitation is not the only indication that Blaine has a TK Gift. His card transposition (teleportation) is another. I've seen sleight-of-hand on stage and it can be impressive. Now let's see someone teleport a card outdoors to a little girl's back pocket from across a table. Or to throw a deck of cards at a restaurant window and to have the pertinent card be stuck on the other side of the glass.

Have any sites to offer us of people who can duplicate this?

Whenever I am around someone who has a TK Gift, I get sick to my stomach because GE energies are abrasive to me. If someone is doing stage trickery this doesn't happen.

This occurred when I was around "The Amazing Kreskin" during a live performance in the early 1990s. He took a bunch of thick college rings from the audience and telekinetically welded them together on a ringsizer. He then passed them around to the audience so they could confirm that it was in fact their rings that were connected. He then took the chain of rings and pulled them apart -- as if nothing happened to them in the first place. (This was a lot like Blaine's "trick" of biting a piece off a quarter that a pedestrian hands him and then spitting it back together.)

With Kreskin, I felt the energies being channeled and got dizzy and nauseous at my table. This confirmed to me that a large GE was working around him. Another tip-off from Kreskin: he prefaced the stunt by saying, "Sometimes this works and sometimes this doesn't."

Direct experience teaches better than anything else

God help me if I ever get around Sai Baba of India. Despite the fact that his Gifts have lessened from age, I would probably wind up losing my lunch.

Hmm. I guess if I puked on that old pedophile it wouldn't be a total waste.

Like I stated before, I can tell the illusionists from the Real McCoy. The problem with many here is that they simply don't have any experience with telekinesis. They have yet to overcome the initial hurdle of believing that it can occur in the first place and to embrace the idea that not everything is a trick of some kind.

Hey, if everything were a trick, then no religion would have ever gotten off the ground. Miracles make religions, not just charismatic leaders. After the leader is gone, the memory of the present-day miracle is what lasts. Miracles are based on the power of telekinesis and that power is a Gift of the Spirit -- which means that large groups of discarnates are generating that energy.

And so it is...

[edit on 31-5-2005 by Paul_Richard]

Think of it like this, you're a magician, you know that you're going to do a trick levitation for a strret audience, and splice their reaction into footage where you're being hoisted up on a harness. Now you know the end product will look pretty cool, but as you have this 'mysterious' persona in your act, you need a little something else. Tv audiences are gonna love this trick, but why make them think its a trick? Why not push your persona further and make it seem like somethign else. Whats a simple way to do that? pretend it physically hurts and drains you, then people will think you did something special. You see that little ill act he does is just an extention of the patter (speil) he does before hand, which is invariably about wha he;s gonna do using a lot of energy. And how do you make it look like you used a lot of energy? Make yourself look ill.

Follow the logic on that one, PR?

I've seen, read and heard nothing to convince me about any zetan aliens, so please can we leave that out of the discussion.

Theres a magician called Paul Zennon over here in the UK, who did a great trick where he got someone to pick, then sign a card. then he made it vanish, and they went up the street, into a bar, and ebhind the counter there was a sealed bottle of beer with a card in it. They bought it, cracked it open, and hey, what do you know, it was the same card. He also made someones ring disappear and reappear at the bottom of a plant pot, with an earth worm wrapped around it.

He's just a magician, nothing more. Hell he sells a book called '100 ways to win a tenner', and some kind of bar room tricks book.

They;re all just TRICKS.

As i;ve explained before, the card through window is a trick. They are forced to pick a card and that card has already been planted behind a nearby window. Then the cards are thrown and hey presto, the chosen card was behind the window...

Now onto the bitten and restored coin, again this is just a gimmicked coin he swaps for a real one:

www.magictricks.com...

I'll admit to knowing little about kreshkin, but i'd be willing to wager those are simple tricks as well. The fact you got ill could be for any number of reasons, most likely pyschosematic (sp?), being that you convinced yourself that he was beign gifted by a GE (honestly what proof do you have such things exist buddy?), and also convinced that you feel ill when in the presence of such happenings, you simply felt ill becuase you expected to.

And yes, i do believe in telekinesis, but i would be rather surprised, and prehaps a little bemused to find out any major magicians using it. Magic is an art form, whos beauty is in the way incredible effects can be acheived with so little...

Originally posted by BaastetNoir

Originally posted by Lanotom
If you had listened to Prophet Yahweh on WLW700 last night you would have heard him say that David Blaine and Chris Angel have real powers.

I don't believe so but it's what he claims.

Chris Angel ROCKS !!! now thats a weird guy .... very very weird...hmmmmm

Attaboy... I love Chris Angel

anyone who believes blain uses telekenisis to levitate, or copperfield can fly, just send me $19.99 and I'll send you my

" flying telekenisis home study kit" with instructions on how to use it

20$? You can order mine for just 2 easy payments of 9.99! Lot cheaper, look at his, a whole 20$! But me? Just pay 9.99 twice and you get the same thing!

Anyways, I guess I am god, I can do magic tricks, hell I can turn water into wine!(simple trick, tinted glass, pour water into it, it now looks like wine, I am god)

Vector,

The word is psychosomatic and no, I didn't have that problem.

As a Ufologist and abductee counselor, I have found that abductees are often brainwashed into thinking that the Zetan-aliens have godlike powers. This is an example whereby technology and manipulation is involved, not true telekinesis.

Whether you believe in Zetan-aliens is irrelevant, as thousands of credible people have had the unfortunate situation of having been kidnapped by them.

Originally posted by Vector J
And yes, i do believe in telekinesis, but i would be rather surprised, and prehaps a little bemused to find out any major magicians using it. Magic is an art form, whos beauty is in the way incredible effects can be acheived with so little...

What has brought you to the conclusion that telekinesis exists?

I mean, how would you be able to tell the difference anyway if you have no experience in this arena?

You are simply believing in something that you are ignorant about.

As far as providing proof of anything, this is an Internet forum. What we have to work with is our experience and analysis.

My perspective comes from direct experience with telekinesis while you "believe" in telekinesis because you want to, not because you have any knowledge about it.

That's the difference. There are indications that Blaine has a TK Gift. If you were versed in telekinesis, you would know that, as with others in this thread.

The upshot: you are coming from a stance of prejudice, not one of objective analysis and not one of direct experience.

Which means that your biased arguments against David Blaine having a telekinetic Gift are bogus.



[edit on 1-6-2005 by Paul_Richard]

Originally posted by Paul_Richard
Vector,

The word is psychosomatic and no, I didn't have that problem.

As a Ufologist and abductee counselor, I have found that abductees are often brainwashed into thinking that the Zetan-aliens have godlike powers. This is an example whereby technology and manipulation is involved, not true telekinesis.

Whether you believe in Zetan-aliens is irrelevant, as thousands of credible people have had the unfortunate situation of having been kidnapped by them.

Originally posted by Vector J
And yes, i do believe in telekinesis, but i would be rather surprised, and prehaps a little bemused to find out any major magicians using it. Magic is an art form, whos beauty is in the way incredible effects can be acheived with so little...

What has brought you to the conclusion that telekinesis exists?

I mean, how would you be able to tell the difference anyway if you have no experience in this arena?

You are simply believing in something that you are ignorant about.

As far as providing proof of anything, this is an Internet forum. What we have to work with is our experience and analysis.

My perspective comes from direct experience with telekinesis while you "believe" in telekinesis because you want to, not because you have any knowledge about it.

That's the difference. There are indications that Blaine has a TK Gift. If you were versed in telekinesis, you would know that, as with others in this thread.

The upshot: you are coming from a stance of prejudice, not one of objective analysis and not one of direct experience.

Which means that your biased arguments against David Blaine having a telekinetic Gift are bogus.

[edit on 1-6-2005 by Paul_Richard]

Well up to this point i was enjoying the debate with you.

But now you openly attack me and my views. Thanks dude.

I notice how you gloss over every counter point i made to the various 'phenomenon' you considered TK, for which i gave magic trick info above. Well done, thats the way to deny ignorance! By denying your own! well done...

I need to sleep now, but i'll have fun picking your points apart tommorow. If you continue to personally attack em and tell em that i have no idea what i'm talking about i will simply ignore you. Please keep this a civil debate, i'll be back tommorow...

When you see the tv special again, watch his head and eyes when he looks back at the camera. He keeps looking back to see what angle the camera is relative to himself. This tells me that he is making sure that everything is lined up for the toe levitation.

Man, the guy is good with cards though, no magic there! In one trick in the tTV show, you can see a glint from the top of the card when he flicks it from one hand to the other, and they are 3 feet apart. Amazing! Most of the time the card is traveling so fast you cant see it.

Originally posted by CaptAvatar
When you see the tv special again, watch his head and eyes when he looks back at the camera. He keeps looking back to see what angle the camera is relative to himself. This tells me that he is making sure that everything is lined up for the toe levitation.

Man, the guy is good with cards though, no magic there! In one trick in the tTV show, you can see a glint from the top of the card when he flicks it from one hand to the other, and they are 3 feet apart. Amazing! Most of the time the card is traveling so fast you cant see it.

I have always wondered about the card tricks aswell(i've seen all his "street majic" t.v. programs.)

What about when the card ends up in a basketball, beer bottle or best(IMO) in the policeman's sock! I assume the trick here would involve these innocent bystanders not being so innocent, i.e. they are in on it. Is that true or is it some sort of slight of hand thing.

I like the 'balducci' explanation for the levitation illusion combined with some clever editing. DB does always looks back several times(i guess checking his alignment) which always struck me as odd. If it were real surely he knows who Balducci was and would allow the spectators to be standing all around him instead of always behind. Would remove any doubt, no?

Clever dodging of those unanswerable questions Vector. You are a poor debater.

So now you cry foul and back off. If you can't take the heat and offer a cogent argument to substantiate the stance you are furthering, that is your problem. And it was YOU who did the insulting first.

Your stated belief in telekinesis because you want to believe it and not because you have metaphysical experience in that arena clearly shows that you really don't know what you are talking about.

To All,

Unless the producers of Street Magic paid off every pedestrian that they came across, which I highly doubt because that is not cost effective in making a film, then we can safely assume that what we saw on camera is also what the eyewitnesses saw. Veteran illusionists decades older and a lot richer than Blaine have not come out with their own version of Street Magic. Why? Because they cannot duplicate what Blaine does to the extent that he does it. Many veteran illusionists realize this.

Which is precisely why there is this thread in the first place. If it were a discussion about David Copperfield or any other well-known illusionist, there would not be this heated controversy surrounding it. They are just magicians, not telekinetics like Uri Geller and David Blaine.

It appears that we have to start from the beginning in providing evidence for those who have little or no knowledge of telekinesis. A good start would be in addressing Uri Geller. In 1974, an extensive test was conducted under laboratory conditions to determine if Matthew Manning and Uri Geller had an PK/TK ability. The results were favorable that they both did.

Here is a page which addresses statements from respected people that experienced Uri's telekinetic ability firsthand: What Scientists Say About Uri Geller. I quote from that page:

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Originally posted by CaptAvatar
When you see the tv special again, watch his head and eyes when he looks back at the camera. He keeps looking back to see what angle the camera is relative to himself. This tells me that he is making sure that everything is lined up for the toe levitation.

Man, the guy is good with cards though, no magic there! In one trick in the tTV show, you can see a glint from the top of the card when he flicks it from one hand to the other, and they are 3 feet apart. Amazing! Most of the time the card is traveling so fast you cant see it.

CaptAvatar, you seem to completely dismiss the eyewitnesses ability to watch him from any angle. I saw Copperfield levitate live, in front of thousands.... and also saw him do dozens of other physics defying 'tricks', in the three performances I attended. No cameras were between us and him, and when you are 20 feet away and watch these numerous boggling 'illusions' over and over... the whole camera angle thing kinda loses its lustre. I used to think it was all camera tricks too, but that was before I was amazed and confounded in person.
I see no way that Blaine or anyone could consistently 'stand on his tiptoes' in front of different people over and over, and not once be found out. How stupid is the average person? Not that stupid, imho.

I was in Chicago, last year, and saw David Blaine, not too far from the Sears tower, if I remember right, and he done the double foot levitation.
He was aprox 4 ft from me, and I bent down to look under his feet...nothing, there were no platforms, and nothing attatched to him from above.

How he done it? Hell if I know

That's the difference. There are indications that Blaine has a TK Gift. If you were versed in telekinesis, you would know that, as with others in this thread.

Wow, no need to be nice, eh? You are supposed to be a counsellor of some sort?

You are saying that Blaine actually levitates off the ground due to TK? I will admit that I know little about TK except for the anime "Mai the Psychic Girl". Is it easier for TK folks to levitate themselves or is weight not a factor? Also, are you saying that Copperfield and his flying chums are also using TK or that they are the frauds but Blaine is the real deal?

What is the reason that Blaine will not use TK on camera?

smallpeeps,

It is always a good idea to read the entire exchange before making a judgment on the patience and integrity of the respective poster.

Originally posted by smallpeeps
You are saying that Blaine actually levitates off the ground due to TK? I will admit that I know little about TK except for the anime "Mai the Psychic Girl". Is it easier for TK folks to levitate themselves or is weight not a factor?

Weight is always a factor. They are not levitating themselves in the sense of doing it under their own power; the energy of telekinesis is given to them from a large collective of discarnates or a large Group Entity in the Spirit. The same applied to prophets throughout history -- like Issa/Jesus, Moses, etc. Each had a large Group Entity that provided them with various Gifts of the Spirit. That very phrase, "Gifts of the Spirit," points to these abilities coming from energies on the Other Side. Which is why psychic abilities are not traditionally referred to as "Gifts of the Brain/Mind."

Originally posted by smallpeeps
What is the reason that Blaine will not use TK on camera?

David Blaine has used TK/PK on camera. What you probably meant to ask is, "Why hasn't David Blaine undergone extensive testing under laboratory conditions to prove his telekinetic ability like Matthew Manning and Uri Geller did?"

Simple...

Because he likes to have an air of mystery about him and does not want it known, at least not openly, that he has true TK/PK ability.

Originally posted by smallpeeps
Also, are you saying that Copperfield and his flying chums are also using TK or that they are the frauds but Blaine is the real deal?

People like David Copperfield and Harry Blackstone are excellent illusionists but, to my knowledge, do not have a telekinetic Gift like Uri Geller and David Blaine. "The Amazing Kreskin," who I saw in person in the 1990s, also had a telekinetic Gift.

There are many illusionists who are much older than David Blaine and who have been at it for decades longer, and have not shared in Blaine's success at an early age -- precisely because they do not have a large Group Entity which provided them with a Gift of Telekinesis.

To have powerful Gifts like Sai Baba, David Blaine, etc., does not indicate that one is on a high spiritual level. That is where the deception creeps in because many believe that to have powerful Gifts of the Spirit indicates that one is highly evolved. That is simply not the case. The people that supply powerful Gifts are not highly evolved themselves but only, at best, basically spiritual, i.e., on the same level as your typical member of the clergy, angel channeler, etc.

So we should not be too impressed by those who have telekinetic abilities. Love and compassion indicate soul growth, not being the prophet of a large Group Entity.

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It is always a good idea to read the entire exchange before making a judgment on the patience and integrity of the respective poster.

I've read this thread and I posted in it earlier. I didn't pore over your particular posts. Perhaps my questions were answered in them. In any case, when you are defending something like TK, you should be the patient one. We dumbarses who haven't seen it are like children, so please be patient.

I understand better what you are saying. I haven't seen Blaine do TK, I have only seen the lifting trick as described in this post. You are saying that out in open space, he lifted himself entirely off the ground for a television audience? Where can I view this video? When I saw him do it on the special, it was the cheesiest looking effect I've seen. He was clearly not lifting himself.

Tell me this: If a powerful group of entities are lifting him, why can he not revolve in mid-air? If weightless, he should be able to rotate himself, right? Also, why not levitate from a seated position or on his belly? If he can only do it under certain circumstances, I will continue to believe that is a wire trick or something similar. What rational person could do otherwise? TK is fantastic but you cannot expect people to believe in it without comprehensive visual proof. The TV show shot of Blaine doing the levitate is not comprehensive. It is magic (controlled environment of audience) unless he does it out in the open for a large crowd in a field somewhere. How tough would that be?

What I object to is your attitude that those who doubt TK are uninformed dopes whereas you have superior knowledge on the subject due to your work. All I'm saying is, why is it so hard to provide proof for TK? Also, why did this group-entity give Blaine his powers? What's the point? Or did he get these powers from birth? If so, isn't he wasting them stupidly? Or perhaps he uttered some secret invocation and *BAM*, his powers got granted to him? How does it come about in other TK-enabled folks you have met? I am curious.

All David Blaine does is use tricky editing to make you think he is doing magic tricks. Nothing special.

Originally posted by smallpeeps
We dumbarses who haven't seen it [TK] are like children, so please be patient.

Well, since you put it that way...sure.

Besides, Vector and I have worked things out via U2U.

Originally posted by smallpeeps
I understand better what you are saying. I haven't seen Blaine do TK, I have only seen the lifting trick as described in this post. You are saying that out in open space, he lifted himself entirely off the ground for a television audience? Where can I view this video? When I saw him do it on the special, it was the cheesiest looking effect I've seen. He was clearly not lifting himself.

The video has been on television a number of times and is called Street Magic. I taped it but you can view it via David Blaine's DVD.

Originally posted by smallpeeps
Tell me this: If a powerful group of entities are lifting him, why can he not revolve in mid-air? If weightless, he should be able to rotate himself, right? Also, why not levitate from a seated position or on his belly? If he can only do it under certain circumstances, I will continue to believe that is a wire trick or something similar. What rational person could do otherwise? TK is fantastic but you cannot expect people to believe in it without comprehensive visual proof. The TV show shot of Blaine doing the levitate is not comprehensive. It is magic (controlled environment of audience) unless he does it out in the open for a large crowd in a field somewhere. How tough would that be?

It's very tough to manifest telekinetic energies. If it were so easy to do, then it would be done much more often. The temporary levitation that they did accomplish for David Blaine often results in him becoming sick from their energies.

It takes thousands of common spirits who are combined into a Group Entity to manifest relatively limited telekinetic energies. They cannot maintain that degree of energy for very long, which is why you don't have prophets flying through the air on a regular basis.

Originally posted by smallpeeps
What I object to is your attitude that those who doubt TK are uninformed dopes whereas you have superior knowledge on the subject due to your work. All I'm saying is, why is it so hard to provide proof for TK?

The links on Matthew Manning and Uri Geller that I provided earlier help one to understand that TK has been tested and proven decades ago by reputable scientists. To ignore their respected opinions and scientific findings implies bias. Skepticism is one thing. Prejudice is another.

Originally posted by smallpeeps
Also, why did this group-entity give Blaine his powers? What's the point? Or did he get these powers from birth? If so, isn't he wasting them stupidly? Or perhaps he uttered some secret invocation and *BAM*, his powers got granted to him? How does it come about in other TK-enabled folks you have met? I am curious.

My Gift is that of Discernment and part of my answer to this line of questioning draws upon that.

When most people leave their bodies they join a Group Entity. It provides them with a sense of family, culture and shared values. The largest GE's, i.e., those in the millions, have the most collective energy to work with in any way that they see fit.

David Blaine was an advanced yogic practitioner in India in his last life. That is the reason behind his uncanny ability to control his bodily functions, as that is precisely what is developed in advanced yogic training. These are the people who can put pins and needles through their skin without bleeding, lower their metabolic rate to point that is near death, and who can withstand cold temperatures and near starvation without any long-term damaging effects to their body.

David Blaine was part of a large Group Entity before entering his current life. He worked it out with them, as the Prophet Issa did with his large GE, that they would channel through and around him when he is in the flesh and grant him various Gifts of the Spirit.

Usually those with a powerful Gift of the Spirit get that Gift from the community of people on the Other Side that they were a part of prior to entering their current body. The same applies to Sai Baba of India. He was very active politically with large GE's in India, mainly of Hindu background, and they decided to fulfill Hindu scriptural prophecy and elected him to play that role in the flesh, with them there to grant him various Gifts of the Spirit.