Chinese Tanks (MBT's), yet another series of pathetic copies

Type 59 Main Battle Tank
Chinese copy of the Soviet T-54A
Its 100 mm rifled gun : Chinese copy of the D-10T2S
Upgraded Type 59-II MBT's 105 mm gun : copy of the Austrian L7

Type 69/79 Main Battle Tank
Inprovement of the Type-59 MBT with a Chinese copy of the British Marconi fire control system and an IR searchlight which was a Chinese copy of the soviet Luna system

Type 88 Main Battle Tank
Improved Type-69/79 MBT, with a chinese copy of a new Soviet turret and improved british fire control.

Type 90 Main Battle Tank
China obtained several T-72 tanks from the Middle East in the late 1970s and used them as a pattern in developing its Type-90 MBT. The original proposal was to develop an MBT based on the hull design of the T-72, and fit it with Western 120 mm smoothbore gun and advanced fire control equipment. This plan was later temporally halted due to the boycotts by the Western countries after 1989. Thus, this tank never entered production.

Its engine is a ukranian 6TD engine and has French SESM ESM 500 automatic transmission

A scaled down version of this was sold to Pakistan with tech transfer, and pakistan named it the Al-Khalid.

Type 96 Main Battle Tank
Essentially a new and improved Type 80/88 MBT.

Type 98 Main Battle Tank
In 1995 Russia demonstrated its latest variant of the T-80U tank to the Chinese leaders. This resulted in a major redesign of the third-generation MBT, which later led to the Type 98 MBT.

It may be based on the T-72 chassis(no conclusive evidence).

At least one source indicated to the magazine Russia has supplied some of the technology for the Chinese project in exchange for foreign currency to fund its own tank programs.

Its 125 mm 50-calibre smoothbore gun with autoloader: copy of the Russian 2A46.

Its Engine : 1,200 hp diesel derived from Germany WD396 engine


Sources :

- all the sections ofthis accurate chinese site

- another


Also check out this extensive thread : All chinese aircrafts are pathetic copies

PS : These copies might be effective in combat...there's no doubting that ;but that they are copied, dose'nt leave a good taste

[edit on 18-5-2005 by Stealth Spy]

Lots of stuff about copying recently. If their is a model that another country can copy cheaply or for free, then they will copy it. If the Chinese could copy the Abrhams, then they would...

I would agree that they are bad copies.

lest all just copy from those stinking aliens aye??!!
It'd do us a lot more good than taking a century or more to independantly develop the stuff..Get my drift..

How bad can it get, let alone copying tanks China's anti-tank weapons are all copied as well :

Type 56 towed 85mm anti-tank gun
Chinese copy of the Soviet M45

HJ-73 Anti-Tank Guided Missile
Chinese copy of the Soviet AT-3 Sagger

HJ-8 Anti-Tank Guided Missile
Chinese copy of Soviet AT-4 Spigot
which inturn was copied by Pakistan as Baktar Shikan

Gun-Fired Laser-Guided Anti-Tank Guided Missile
Chinese copy of Russian 9K116 Bastion (NATO codename: AT-10 Stabber)

[edit on 18-5-2005 by Stealth Spy]

Check this thread out aswell : Chinese small arms, another set of copies

Just notice its mostly Russian garbage they are copying.

Originally posted by WissNX01
Just notice its mostly Russian garbage they are copying.

True , thats the only thing they can get their hands on .

The Russians will now do anything to get easy money.
Russia shames its worth.

However the Type-98, developed in association with russia is a formidable tank, although it is only a technology demonstrator

Technology demonstrator??? Wow... that's very uninformed. And I guess you can't call it a copy if it's developed with help from Russia

Oh and why would you bring it up and call it formiddable if your intent was to label it a pathetic copy? hmm?

[edit on 18-5-2005 by Taishyou]

The Type-98 is not an ourtight copy like its predecessors, but is definitely not fully indegenous.

It is a formidiable tank...no doubtin that.

The other copies too are effective in combat as i mentioned earlier, but they are still "COPIED" and that's no good

Originally posted by Taishyou
Technology demonstrator??? Wow... that's very uninformed. And I guess you can't call it a copy if it's developed with help from Russia


[edit on 18-5-2005 by Taishyou]

Even I thought it wasn't a technology demonstrator.. But thats what chinawhite said I think..from the horses mouth so tosay..

what tanks is fully indegenious.

abram british armour german gun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

russian israeli ERA tech and possibly western spaced armour..

THE BOTTOM LINE IS INDIA DOESN'T HAVE A FULLY WORKING DEFENSE INDUSTRY!!!!!!!!![/B]

PRODUCE SOME TANKS OR THAT SHIET CALLED THE lca AND CALL THAT AN INDUSTRY

guys calm it down a bit...this is just sinking low, stealth spy, why are you taking a jab at china? who cares if they copy tanks? face it, they would probably beat india just because of numbers

Type 88 Main Battle Tank
Improved Type-69/79 MBT, with a chinese copy of a new Soviet turret and improved british fire control.

Soviet turnent???? its says soviet style turnent ....learn to read

the t-88 was ment as a attempt to upgrade chinese tanks with western systems.. so thats why it has western tech

Type 90 Main Battle Tank
China obtained several T-72 tanks from the Middle East in the late 1970s and used them as a pattern in developing its Type-90 MBT. The original proposal was to develop an MBT based on the hull design of the T-72, and fit it with Western 120 mm smoothbore gun and advanced fire control equipment. This plan was later temporally halted due to the boycotts by the Western countries after 1989. Thus, this tank never entered production.

Its engine is a ukranian 6TD engine and has French SESM ESM 500 automatic transmission

A scaled down version of this was sold to Pakistan with tech transfer, and pakistan named it the Al-Khalid.

Umm this tank is a tech demonstrater. thats why it uses all these different techs..do some research.

like you siad the original proposal was to fit western tech on soviet design that never entered production??? whats the problem

i will post this seeing how you failed to post this

The Type 90-II is not a totally new design with around 45% of its components coming from current designs. This can be broken down as follows: 10% from the Type 59, 15% from the Type 69, and 20% from the Type 85/88C; the remaining 55% being new components.

Type 96 Main Battle Tank
Essentially a new and improved Type 80/88 MBT.

it was derived from the t-88 not a improved one
The Type 85 main battle tank (MBT) family is based on , and derived from the Type 80/88 MBT

Type 98 Main Battle Tank
In 1995 Russia demonstrated its latest variant of the T-80U tank to the Chinese leaders. This resulted in a major redesign of the third-generation MBT, which later led to the Type 98 MBT.

It may be based on the T-72 chassis(no conclusive evidence).

At least one source indicated to the magazine Russia has supplied some of the technology for the Chinese project in exchange for foreign currency to fund its own tank programs.

Its 125 mm 50-calibre smoothbore gun with autoloader: copy of the Russian 2A46.

Its Engine : 1,200 hp diesel derived from Germany WD396 engine

What source is that???? (about the magazine)

the gun is chinese. i got this info from the same website you got it from but didn't add the extra info

The main armament is a fully-stablised 125 mm 50-calibre smoothbore gun with autoloader. Despite the early reports indicating the gun was a licensed copy of the Russian 2A46, it is actually an indigenous design derived from the Chinese 120 mm smoothbore gun technology.

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I beg you both.. stop this mindless desacretion of the weps forum... you're giving a bad name to both chinese and indians...
My axis of Evil will never materialise ( at least on this forum!!)

For all you, China and India may become strategic allies one day and these two guys will still be on each others throats on ATS!! lol:

A very distasteful signature chinawhite..

if stealth spy didn't play the IQ gamne then my signature would be different

These type topic threads will no longer be allowed.
They are distracting and disruptive, and only fuel further division between members [namely the Chinese and Indian members], providing nothing of substance to discussion, the ATS community, and ATS itself.

This matter and issue has been under ongoing observation and is now going to cease.

From here on out, bear in mind this:
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