Wolrd War Three Scenario - Possible?

Originally posted by motionknight
I dont need hard evidence to know what is going on, i have the brains and the insight to see what only a few people see....and its not a pretty sight.

Oh, wise motionknight, have your smoke-n-mirror oracle revealed anything shocking that we don't know about? Please enlighten all of us. We await with bated breaths.

Originally posted by motionknight
Blind nationalism en patriotism is so retarded, and doesnt belong in the 21 century.

Hmm, that's a standard NWO elitist thinking. How convenient of you being here, Mr. Internationalist.

I know alot of people are supposed to be worried about what North Korea is up to. For some reason, I'm not one of them. I figure it's time to call "Kooky Kim"'s bluff. If NK has the bomb, test it and show the world. Of course, having proven to the world that you are now a true threat to peace and stability, and at the same time, reduced your potential arsenal by, oh 10%?, you have now made yourself fair game for any"containment" strategies the US and/or the UN sees fit to exercise....up to and including selective "slagging" by US forces.

China would protest loudly, maybe threaten Tiawan (although, outright invasion of the island would provoke nastiness with the forces of the US, already in the area, and in nuclear force).

China does not want military confrontation with anyone at this time. China already has learned that true power comes not from the end of a gun, but from selling millions of guns, planes, cars, computers, etc. The Chinese will not rule the world with a little Red Book, but with a Bulging Bank Book, 1.1 Billion consumers strong! If you want to really piss off China, don't attack NK, attack HK!

Yes, Russia is using 9/11, or more specifically, Bush's "hunt down terrorism wherever it hides" rhetoric to settle some old internal political and ethnic scores; expect to see more of the same occurring throughout supposedly civilized Europe, as we have seen recently in the Netherlands. But Russia has something the US sorely lacks and desparately envies: Undeveloped Natural Resources, spelled O-I-L! And despite their on-again, off-again rivalry and animosity, future Sino-Russia relations could well be based on Petro-Rubles.

Here's a Prediction: The first half of the 21st Century will be remembered by Muslim scholars as the Christians remember the Romans and the Jews remember the Egyptians before Exodus: A time of persecution and trial culminating in a crystalization of what their Faith is truely about. Then, like all institutionalized religions, it will begin its inevitable fall toward empty ritual and pettiness as it becomes assimilated into the fabric of human society.

Yes, I see Isreal attacking and possibly nuking , Iran; likely with tacit US support. The Israelis are just too paranoid (not without cause, mind you) about being attacked by an Arabic A-Bomb to allow any one but themselves to posses the nuclear genie.

The thing that most worries them, I think, is that they don't where the first strike will come from. When you're an Israeli whether it be an Iranian, an Iraqi, a Syrian or a Saudi they are ALL Arabs with a sword at your throat, and a daggar at your back.

The Revolution may not be televised (we all know who owns the media!), but WWlll will likely NOT be nuclear....Economics are far less harmful to the Corporate/Political infrastructure, even if death by poverty is always slower and often more agonizing than radiation poisoning.

I think this post is fairly accurate, incase most of you haven't known Russia's military stuff has been increasing a lot since 2000.

Russia was once friends with the US after the cold war, it looks now there relationships is breaking apart, a lot of people would notice this, some just wouldn't.

Don't honestly think Russia would risk Russia for N Korea or anyone else. .
Russia will only risk 'the motherland' if it's attacked directly. Bearing in mind their WW2 experience I think they know the real cost of total war which few others (Germany excepted) can begin to grasp

Russia has risked the motherland before... didnt Russia invade Finland, Estonia, Latvia and eastern Poland after signing the Non Aggression treaty with Germany in 1939?

Im not saying that this proves that Russia is going to attack anyone, just pointing out that although, historically, Russia has refrained from invading others there has been blips in this trend.

Dude, this is bogus. First off, I worked at the Pentagon for the Secretary of Defense (Cowen and Rumsfeld) and this is never going to happen. Do you have any idea of the inaccuracy of soviet era nukes? They are on the scale of trying to hit the city of LA and landing in San Fran. Maybe a slight exageration but not by much. Our nuclear options are much more accurate. We can put a tactical nuke inside your bedroom. With the ground penetration feature we have incorporated, we can destroy "nuke proof" bunkers very easily. I haven't posted on this site too many times because I don't want it known what positions I have held as an Air Force member, but now I am being medically separated and can talk to a limited extent (no classified stuff). A real scenario is more like, we get the crap beat out of us economically. We have bad blood between us and the rest of the world for the most part and they can easily punish us using the TWO. As for military might, we beat all comers hands down. We have proved it time and again through two world wars multiple conflicts other than war and can do it again if the liberal media (and LOAC) would just let us take the gloves off. If someone nuked us or even sent a single missile our way that was identifiable as one from a recognized state, we would pound them (then rebuild them). If we fight anyone it will be China over Taiwan. I see Japan and the Aussies backing us up, as this is thier back yard. India could help out if we just got off our asses and committed to them instead of a terror infiltrated state like Pakistan. I know, I know "but they are our friends", so was the Shah of Iran and look what happened there. Same situation in Pakistan today. You have intel folks (and other in important positions) who are crazy fundamentalists who are thwarting any real search for bin laden. A less know area of contention that could draw us into war is the south china seas and natural gas fields. This area is claimed by many coutries and if the middle east goes up in flames (one way or another) this is a good source for contention.

Hmmm... Not quite true, For years Russian missile technology was ahead of the Americans (first to put a man in space etc...) and although American Tech is now more accurate the Russians would simply carpet bomb a target with nukes.

You seem to be implying that because America is ahead with technology no one could touch them in a war... isnt that what Hitler thought when he attacked Russia?? Simple fact was Russia had more solders than Germany had bullets and the same can be applied to the Chinese army today. If you can afford to just keep chucking men at the enemy eventually you will overwhelm them.

I do not agree, however, that Russia would start a war and do agree with ROMAD that the more likely contender would be a China - US confrontation, possibly dragging other nations into the conflict (like Russia, Britain etc...)
China is at a very strange stage in its development as a super power. It still has an openly oppressive government but is also trying hard to catch up with US/Europe in terms of trade and marketing. China has a lot of pride and issues like Taiwan could be a potential powder keg.

And before anyone starts screaming "why china to start a war??? Why not America blah blah blah" This is nothing against the Chinese people, or any people for that matter. This is about power hungry government's playing a dangerous game. And that includes the western governments.

Oh... lets not forget the situation in Uzbekistan at the moment... Maybe it will be Russia/US... Hmmm the plot thickens...

I can agree with the thought that carpet bombing of nukes would be effective, if the numbers and reliable delivery means were there. I am not saying Russia has no nukes or even not enough. They have let the maintenance go way down and recent tests from our inspection teams say that they are at least 30 percent unreliable. Can't really comment on where the information came from as it was from a friend who went there to inspect. Maybe a report will come out soon. On the other hand, I guess there is research still going on in Russia that could be a potential threat. They are working on stealth MiRVS (in violation of accords) after all and have said as much in a press release or some such, I think I read it somewhere or maybe not. I think that the possibility of a war with Russia is remote. Not impossible but seriously remote. Could something spark a confrontation with eastern powers (the Baltic states)? Again remote. I say this only because of the money that rolls in when America gets a base into a country. We dump millions on a economy when we break ground for a new base. The economy of that country really takes off for our efforts. Look at how Germany doesn't want us there but realises the monetary gain when we say we are going to close a base. They get really upset and ask us to consolidate our troops at another location in the country. They want to GI and civilian money from us buying stuff over there.

Just my take on things.

Great, great responses – Lurkers, what do you think?

OK – I have a few more questions.

How do we really know what weapons and how many each country has? I understand international inspections teams, declaration of arms and intelligence, but if someone wanted to hide weapons development, it is not that hard. It makes sense for some countries to publicly declare their weapons as a form of protection. But Russia and China are already known to be intimidating. They have had nuclear technology for a while and that serves as plenty of deterrent. Why should Russia, China, or even the US declare new technology?

I feel like the big boys have always stayed in a state of war since WWII, obviously not conducting direct strikes; but in weapons development, spying, making small gains in minor wars, etc.

China China China – OK allot of you say China is more willing to start a war. I think the game that is being played here is what country can get the other to do the dirty work. In the above scenario, Russia is working through NK and Iran, getting them to act out and stimulate US aggression. The US is working through Israeli. And China has an agreement with Russia. If you remember I said

Eventually the Chinese break their alliance with Russia by turning against them in the later stages of this war.

Perhaps China has been concerned about the US and Russia for a while. Since the War on Terror, China has (like many countries) developed new war contingency plans based on a new US lead war. Russia and China talk and agree to support each other and refresh defensive and offensive contingency plans and military agreements.

Russia has more weight in the international community and the United Nations compared to China with all its human rights violations etc. It would make more sense for Russia to cry foul in the international community and press for economic sanctions against the US.

If NK or Iran are attacked and there is any kind of nuke used by anyone, it will be more than enough for Russia to cry foul in the international community, blaming US aggression for the damage in the environment.

The Chinese might just be playing this game of let someone else take the brunt better than Russia is. Let Russia do all the dirty work and when the US is crippled, they plan to turn on their war torn Russian countrymen and take them out too. For China, this would be two birds with one stone

Let’s say Russia and China has an agreement. When you start responding about military might; please combined Russia and China as one army against the US military.

I can agree with the thought that carpet bombing of nukes would be effective, if the numbers and reliable delivery means were there. I am not saying Russia has no nukes or even not enough. They have let the maintenance go way down and recent tests from our inspection teams say that they are at least 30 percent unreliable.

This actually makes sense as far as how I’m seeing this. The explosions in Israel were all over the place and they might have accidentally triggered Israel’s nuclear stock pile which is why the explosions were so bad. It was supposed to be a “carpet bombing” to stop other nuclear powers from using their nukes, but the results were even worse that the Russians had planned. What you said is scary and if the Russians know their accuracy is off, then it would make even more sense for them to plan such a responce.

[edit on 17-5-2005 by psychicmind]

Psychicmind I understand you're trawling for opinions but where did you get this scenario from. It presumes far far too many things.

Why Not.....

US army desparate to try out its new toy decides to drop a mini nuke in a remote part of a troublesome province in central Europe as a 'demonstration' convincing politicians that its a minimal risk strategy to solve a tricky issue.

A semi-trained ANG jet jockey uses the USAF's legendary navigational skills and drops it 200 miles inside Russia - taking out a medium-sized town. Russia issues an official protest and fuels up its ICBMs as a preparatory defensive measure - US satellites see this and US goes to its highest pre-launch state.

Russia fearing another attack decides to launch first, the US follows 2 minutes later, UK 5 mins after that, France 2 minutes later, then China.

Israel gets the nod from NORAD and launches its nuclear-tipped Harpoons at any Arab nation which might have nukes.

We all die.

I agree its a remote possibility but there's more precedent / evidence / likliehood of my scenario than yours.

US has been on the surgical use of nukes since 'Nam. Luckily previous administrations have been sensible enough to prevent this - this one could sanction such a move.

Psychicmind I understand you're trawling for opinions but where did you get this scenario from. It presumes far far too many things.

Over fifty reoccurring precognitive dreams that started about ten years ago. They are often accurate but difficult to understand. What those dreams are saying, What I am presuming, follows:

*US gets terror attack in NY - leads to WWIII (this has happened which adds to my concerns)
*US receives missile strikes on the east cost from three countries
*US calls troops into US to protect homeland / martial law
*US never uses Nukes / Nukes are never detonated in US
*Russia and China work together
*Russia and China use Nukes
*Israel uses 1 Nuke
*Israel is destroyed by Nukes
*Russia masterminded the war plan
*China turns and attacks Russia

I'm just trying to fill in the blanks - to understand if and how the above could happen. I realize people here probably give a rats ass about psychic stuff. That's OK, I'm not ask about psychic beliefs, just war beliefs.

1. Considering that OBL was FIGHTING the Russians in Afghanistan years back, it's pretty unlikely that Russia is behind 9/11...

2. The fact that Kim is a nutjob, is where NK get's off being cocky... He's getting too big for his britches, and even China won't be looking out for him if he keeps going this way (in fact, they'll likely use it as an opportunity to take the place!).

3. Iran is simply playing the game. Russian, Germany, and France have been in bed with them and many other middle eastern nations for eons, (as have we), so Iran believes it can puff up and get it's daddy, so to speak. Of course, Israel is the likely one to put an end to it's nuke ambitions. I still find it amazing that ANYONE can try and logically justify Iran's pursuit of nuclear power as ANYTHING but geared towards an eventual weapons program. Like many middle eastern nations, it's hardly facing a power shortage...

I still think that the spark for WWIII has already been lit. First with 9/11, and then with the actions in Afghanistan and Iraq. It's been simmering for a few years, but the fire's already going imho... For me, my money is on Pakistan/India being the next flashpoint....and the one to really kick things off....

Originally posted by motionknight
I dont need hard evidence to know what is going on.

That simple statement highlights your problem for all to see. In fact, you don't need any evidence at all to come up with your naive ideas. You just dream them up. And please spare us any more of your ideas on what's going on in the 21st century.

quote: Originally posted by motionknight
I dont need hard evidence to know what is going on.

That simple statement highlights your problem for all to see. In fact, you don't need any evidence at all to come up with your naive ideas. You just dream them up. And please spare us any more of your ideas on what's going on in the 21st century.

I didn't say anything about not needing hard evidence, you are quoting someone else's comments and applying them to my words - If you are going to slam me for words that "highlight my problems for all to see", at least use my own words. But since you want me to spare you, feel free to add me to your ignore list where I can never bother you again.

One thing it seems everyone agrees on is that we are headed to some large-scale confrontation.

I have had this feeling for the past year or so, of pressure and heat slowly building toward a climax.

Is this a product of us examining facts or over-analyzing the sensationalist media? Are we really headed to this new world war or are we just keeping up the news ratings?

Hopefully it's just over-analysis. Certainly doesn't seem to be a big concern in the UK but is taken as a statement of fact (by some) in the US

What worries me is that the message has gone out - might is right and anything's OK if you think your cause is just. In the minds of powerful leaders this message is clearly very dangerous.

One thing it seems everyone agrees on is that we are headed to some large-scale confrontation.

I have had this feeling for the past year or so, of pressure and heat slowly building toward a climax.

Is this a product of us examining facts or over-analyzing the sensationalist media? Are we really headed to this new world war or are we just keeping up the news ratings?

I think we are heading toward a large scale War... You only have to look at history to see what the human race is like... we just cant help ourselves.

Your all foolish if you think a world war III scenario would have anything to do with idealogies of any kind. It won't happen that way. Everything is about money now, not idealogy. China can't get powerful with the US buying its stuff. Russia will never recover the power it once had.

Your all foolish if you think a world war III scenario would have anything to do with idealogies of any kind. It won't happen that way. Everything is about money now, not idealogy. China can't get powerful with the US buying its stuff. Russia will never recover the power it once had.

Who said it would be over ideologies????

Money, Resources, Land and Ideology have all been used as a reason for war in the past and nothing has changed.

Mankind is greedy and jealous (a dangerous combination) so it wont be long before someone decides that a little land grab for oil, or even water, will be necessary!! Look at Iraq!!! You really think that was all about removing an evil dictator??

If that’s the case why hasn’t anyone invaded Uzbekistan, North Korea, Zimbabwe or even... dare i say it... china??

There are so many things out there at the moment that can trigger a small conflict and small conflicts can easily escalate.

UC,

Not one of the Neocon Hawks on this site can give a valid answer as to why Iraq was attacked and North Korea, Zimbabwe or China have not been.

They always tie themselves up in logical knots.

Cheers

BHR

Originally posted by BillHicksRules
UC,

Not one of the Neocon Hawks on this site can give a valid answer as to why Iraq was attacked and North Korea, Zimbabwe or China have not been.

They always tie themselves up in logical knots.

The pathetic thing is that the answer is obvious. I just wish they would be honest about it.

Cheers

BHR

I actually think that psychicmind is partly right. The Russians will not work alone though, and btw, we are not talking about the Russian people, but rather the Russian officials which seem to be taking more and more the old habits of taking out the oposition to power in their own country by any means necessary, as the old KGB used to do.

I don't think the Russian government will start any war, or attack yet the US, if they do, it will be with the help of China, NK and a few others. I do see NK or even the ME being the reason for WW3, Russia, China and every other country that has an alliance with them will just use the situation. Although according to Russian military defectors the Kremlin has had a plan to discredit and sway international opinion against the US and i believe they have done several things to try this.

First off the Russians, and president putin himself were against the war in IRaq, yet their own intelligence agencies, and Putin himself, were telling us since 9/11 and up to the war in IRaq that Saddam had plans to make terrorist attacks in US soil.

MOSCOW, Russia (CNN) -- Russian intelligence services warned Washington several times that Saddam Hussein's regime planned terrorist attacks against the United States, President Vladimir Putin has said.

The warnings were provided after September 11, 2001 and before the start of the Iraqi war, Putin said Friday.

The planned attacks were targeted both inside and outside the United States, said Putin, who made the remarks during a visit to Kazakhstan.

Excerpted from.
www.cnn.com...

The Russian government also seems to have been involved in the dissapearance of wmd in IRaq, according to some Russian military defectors and other evidence.

On March 20, Russian PresidentVladimir Putin denounced the U.S.-led "aggression" against Iraq as "unwarranted" and "unjustifiable." Three days later, Pravda said that an anonymous Russian "military expert" was predicting that the United States would fabricate finding Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. Russian Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov immediately started plying the idea abroad, and it has taken hold around the world ever since.

As a former Romanian spy chief who used to take orders from the Soviet KGB, it is perfectly obvious to me that Russia is behind the evanescence of Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. After all, Russia helped Saddam get his hands on them in the first place. The Soviet Union and all its bloc states always had a standard operating procedure for deep sixing weapons of mass destruction — in Romanian it was codenamed "Sarindar, meaning "emergency exit."Iimplemented it in Libya. It was for ridding Third World despots of all trace of their chemical weapons if the Western imperialists ever got near them. We wanted to make sure they would never be traced back to us, and we also wanted to frustrate the West by not giving them anything they could make propaganda with.

Excerpted from.
www.washtimes.com...

And last but not least.

Nagorno-Karabag: A Case Study in "Perestroika"
by Dennis R. Papazian, Ph.D.
Dr. Dennis R. Papazian is a professor of Soviet history, the founder/director of the Armenian Research Center at The University of Michigan, Dearborn, and a member of the faculty of the Center for Russian and East European Studies at The University of Michigan, Ann Arbor. This paper is a preliminary draft/study written for oral delivery at the annual conference of the AAASS in Washington, DC, Friday, October 19, 1990.
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More recently, Anatoliy Golitsyn, a Soviet defector of high status, has suggested that the Soviet Union is capable of disinformation on such a massive scale that even the Borkenau system is no longer viable. In a book first published in 1984, and of necessity written before then, Golitsyn argues that the leadership of the whole Communist bloc came to an agreement in 1958 in which it established a long range program, a master plan, which it would realize through a large scale deception of the West, a monumental scam.

Golitsyn maintains that the goals of the master plan were to provide a more profound political stabilization of individual communist regimes by developing wider mass support, the rectification of economic weakness of the bloc by increased international trade and the acquisition of credits and high technology from the West, the creation of a substructure for an eventual world federation of communist states, political isolation of the US from its allies, developing influence among socialists in Western Europe and Japan, the dissolution of NATO, and an alignment between the Soviet Union and a neutral, preferably socialist, Western Europe; concerted action with nationalist leaders in the Third World to eliminate Western influence as a preliminary to absorbing them in a communist federation, shifting the balance of power in favor of the Communist world, and the ideological disarmament of the West to create favorable conditions for convergence of East and West on communist terms.

Excerpted from.
www.umd.umich.edu...

A lot of things which Golitsyn has said since 1984 have come to pass, is it a coincidence?







[edit on 31-5-2005 by Muaddib]

Muaddib,

As a matter of interest do you know how connected to Philby and Angleton, Golitsyn was?

Cheers

BHR