Al-Zarqawi seriously wounded?

A doctor has claimed to have treated Al-Zarqawi last week and said he was "seriously wounded". The claim was supported yesterday by a senior commander in the Iraqi resistance who had been to Ramadi to investigate the report. The doctor has been detained by the Americans for questioning.

TimesOnline: Bin Laden henchman ‘seriously wounded’

May 15, 2005

IRAQ’S most wanted terrorist, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, has been seriously wounded, according to a doctor who claims to have treated him last week.

The doctor told an Iraqi reporter in the western city of Ramadi that Zarqawi was bleeding heavily when he was brought into hospital on Wednesday. After treating his wounds the doctor tried to persuade him to remain, but the Jordanian-born terrorist’s minders drove him away.

The claim was supported yesterday by a senior commander in the Iraqi resistance who had been to Ramadi to investigate the report. The doctor, who refused to specify the nature of the wounds and asked not to be identified, was detained by the Americans on Friday for questioning

According to the doctor, Zarqawi was escorted into Ramadi general hospital by smartly dressed men. “He was bleeding heavily and his escorts were well dressed with a look about them that was different from the casualties and family members we had been receiving from the al-Qaim offensive,” he was quoted as saying.

“I treated his injury and asked that he remain in hospital for further observations and told him that we would have to register him and take down his name and details. But he became very nervous and agitated. He refused and told me he would not be staying.

“The three men with him asked me politely that he be allowed to leave hospital immediately and that I supply them with a prescription and a list of medication that he may need.”

The doctor, who recognised Zarqawi from his photograph on television, followed them to their vehicle to try to convince them that the patient should remain in hospital. At that point, he said, he saw machineguns. They threatened to kill him if he told anyone what he had seen.

This is very interesting news. Click the link for the full article...

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[edit on 2005/5/14 by Hellmutt]

He's hardly real therefore not much hurt
Could be another doctor for Abu Ghraib

Considering Al-Zarqawi can re-grow legs, i'm sure he'll be fine in a couple days no matter what his 'injury' is so hi can guide America into another bombing raid of an area in Iraq yet to be 'liberated'.

Al-Zarqawi IS the 'Highlander' if he exsists at all.

Hey, probably the insurgents are not real either... i mean, they appear out of nowhere, there isn't much we know about them...maybe we are fighting ghosts too?.......

Hey, maybe there is no war in iraq, and we are all being lied to... you know the pictures we are seeing are just holograms...they are not even real... Yeah...there can be no war in Iraq.... it is all a lie....

Originally posted by Muaddib
Hey, probably the insurgents are not real either... i mean, they appear out of nowhere, there isn't much we know about them...maybe we are fighting ghosts too?.......

Hey, maybe there is no war in iraq, and we are all being lied to... you know the pictures we are seeing are just holograms...they are not even real... Yeah...there can be no war in Iraq.... it is all a lie....

Or maybe the CIA/Mossad ARE the insurgency who are causing deliberate unrest between groups in Iraq. If the Iraqi's don't believe in Al-Zarqawi, why should you? If the source of Al-Zarqawi news is the Pentagon or Whitehouse, what makes you think they aren't behind his exsistance?

There's more than just 1 type of person fighting in Iraq. Not all groups are freedom fighters, not all groups are insurgents and not all groups are terrorists. I would be very surprised if the CIA wasn't behind the worst of them, effectively adding fuel to the fire to keep it burning so Iraq doesn't fall into a country that doesn't support the US after the US has poured billions into trying to make it one, the reason Saddam was booted out to begin with.

Without 'terror' there's no 'war' and it wouldn't be the first time the CIA was responsable for terrorism and killings, Iyad Allawi for one was recruited by the CIA and was sponsered by them via his group 'Iraqi National Accord' which used terrorist bombings and attacks on Saddam Hussien. The Whitehouse made him Prime Minster of Iraq while they were trying to keep elections from happening, which ONLY happened because Sistani forced them by having the UN get involved and what happened? Allawi got flogged by voters and retained no power at all.

So would it be a surprise the CIA are still heavily involved in resistance movements in Iraq? of course not, there's already an established history.

Believe what you will but read a lot more before you mock other people's posts to discredit them without any info.

Speculation from extreme conspiracy theorists is quite entertaining isnt it

muaddib?



[edit on 16-5-2005 by C0le]

What did he lose the other leg now?

Or maybe he lost a head, and now he's not just a ghost, he's a ghost that walks around carrying his head, wriggling a chain, making ooo OOOoooo sounds, and jumping of trucks, and magically teleporting from one city in iraq to the other, without being seen by ANYONE. And maybe know between fighting and dying and getting injured a couple of times, he's picked up not only his chemical and biological expert degree, but also a phd in astro physics and a child care diploma.


Is that what they expect us to belive?

Originally posted by C0le
Speculation from extreme conspiracy theorists is quite entertaining isnt it

muaddib?

[edit on 16-5-2005 by C0le]

Top contribution C0le

Your Patriotic 'hear a bad word about America, defend with belittling, look for saftey in numbers' alarm is in top shape, don't forget to change the bateries every daylight saving!

What part didn't like in my finger pointing at the US?

Iyad Allawi being sponsered by CIA, responsable for Terrorism?

"From its foundation in 1991, with the backing of the US Central Intelligence Agency and British intelligence, the group supported the idea of fostering a coup from within the Iraqi army to overthrow Saddam Hussein, but its attempts ended disastrously.

Correspondents say Mr Allawi is well-connected politically in Washington and London, has extensive business dealings and has close relations with Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. "
news.bbc.co.uk...

Where there's smoke, theres fire.

Abu Al-Zarqawi's exsistance is speculative at best?

“Not a single source, anywhere, claims to have actually seen ‘Zarqawi’ since late 2001 in Afghanistan. Ask the Pentagon. Ask the CIA. Ask the Federal Bureau of Investigation. No one, on the record, is able to independently verify that ‘Zarqawi’ actually exists.” - Asia Times (Oct. 15, 2004)

Well what is Al-Zarqawi's purpose for attacking Iraqi's?

""… ‘Zarqawi’ also released a statement - but with a different voice, saying he was determined to ‘ignite a civil war between Sunnis and Shi'is’. Curiously enough, that's exactly what US intelligence wants, a rehashing of the same old British maxim of ‘divide and rule’." -Asia Times (Oct. 15, 2004)"

Get it? They want a civil war and they need a reason to start one. They need Iraq to start fighting itself so the US and UK are no longer an 'occupying force' but there to 'bring peace', something they've yet to be seen as in Iraq because there was no WMDs, therefor their invasion is illegal as quoted by Kofi Annan.
America can't leave Iraq until they have a government that does what they say. If they do then they've done nothing but kill thousands and lose billions, it was pointless. If they cause a civil war, they'll be forced to stay and they can pretend they are the 'good force' when under the table they are lighting the matches, it's not a new warfare technique research Niccolo Machiavelli, he states in the 14th Century that you divide the population, create a problem and then act as the savior.


When did Al-Zarqwi become a house hold name?

The Nick Burg tape. Read into the conspiracy ( i used a dirty word!!) behind his beheading. There's a lot of what people would consider 'proof' that Al-Zarqawi was not involved in that video, which triggered the 'hostage beheading' trend. The main reasons are:
1. He's masked yet proclaiming it's him and his group on the video.
2. Has both legs when he's meant to only have one.
3. Does NOT have a Jordanian accent
This same video came out right after the Abu Gahrib scandel first broke. Now what could the CIA do to NOT make the US look like the torturous savages?
Have their boogyman cut the head off an American Jew on video. Go to an extreem level of savage that goes beyond what the US have been caught doing to Iraqi's under the name of 'freedom', divert the negative attention away from themselves and back onto their enemy.

"Men ought either to be indulged or utterly destroyed, for if you merely offend them they take vengeance, but if you injure them greatly they are unable to retaliate, so that the injury done to a man ought to be such that vengeance cannot be feared. " - Niccolo Machiavelli

Is it possible the US are the ones behind the beheading tapes? You know, a continued 'they are evil' franchise? Try this:

" As reported by the Roman daily, La Repubblica
www.repubblica.it... a second video emerged after the shooting. It was sent to the paper and it purports to be from the kidnappers and is a second part to the video made with Giuliana Sgrena the night before her release. However, in this video the kidnappers make some stunning accusations which stand the conventional understanding of the war in Iraq and the nature of the insurgency on its head.

The kidnappers, if indeed this video is from them, claim that they never wanted a ransom. They knew of a CIA plot to kill Giuliana Sgrena and they took her into their protective custody to prevent her murder. They say they support the activities of all journalists be they Muslim or not. They imply but do not say that the attack on Giuliana Sgrena by American soldiers was premeditated.

They weren't done. They claim that they, the Islamic Resistence of Iraq, are not guilty of attacks on innocent Muslims and cite a passage from the Quran which prohibits such things in addition to the killing of women and children. Then came the most startling assertion: They accuse the US of deceiving the world as to the nature of the insurgency in Iraq and the kidnappers angrily charge that there is an "army of occupation in Iraq under the name of Al Zarqawi" and that it was sent there to destroy the Resistence by causing a fratricidal war among them. They did not actually say, but certainly left open the idea, that Al Zarqawi was Washington's man."


He's 'escaped' dozens of times, led the US into new parts of Iraq which usually result in mass damage, only exsists by what the soldiers find with his name on it (ie, letters and laptop) and he doesn't exsist as far as Iraqi's are concerned.

I don't understand why in regards to 9/11 the administration was simply 'incompetent' as far as it's supporters go and not an 'intelligence success' as claimed by the conspiracy supporters.
Why with Iraq is this administration not understood as masters of war rather than simply 'bad' at war, considering they are being equalled, if not beaten by an insurgency. Conspiracy theorists want you to believe this administration is smart yet it's supporters (or the hard-nosed patriots) want to believe it's just caught unawares a lot, yet it's good for America! Amazing.

The more stupid and incapable this administration looks like on the surface, the more cleaver and conniving they really are underneath. There's a very steady trend showing up already and this is only the 5th year. JFK took well over 20 - 30 years to be proven a lie (not surprisingly it leads to Bush Snr. either).

Whoever conquers a free town and does not demolish it commits a great error and may expect to be ruined himself. - Niccolo Machiavelli

[edit on 16-5-2005 by TheShroudOfMemphis]

[edit on 16-5-2005 by TheShroudOfMemphis]

!!!

It took a while to click right into place. BUT now i remember.

The truth, it shines through

This is a report that's weeks old.

I remember, because i read the report where the Ramadi hospital was raided, but "Zarqawi" was not found. And do you know what else, That was the exact same week, that the Americans said, that Zarqawi was healthy enough to jump of trucks in god knows where.

Here's the information. Shroud of memphis, this one is for you!

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The contradictions in the official Story.

abcnews.go.com...

abcnews.go.com...

This source says the US 100% belive, He was healthy enough to jump of a truck,leave a laptop behind.


www.iraq-war.ru...

A week later, this source says they belive he is a sickly man in hospital.

One momment, the US media claims, that without a doubt they knew absolutely Zaraqawi is healthy enough to jump of a truck. Then a few days later they are using the excuse that Zarqawi is sick, to attack a hospital in Ramadi.

SO which is it, do you belive he is healthy or un healthy? You can't belive both at the same time. or are you just making things up to suit your agenda?

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abcnews.go.com...

abcnews.go.com...

Again. This source says that the US 100%, belive he jumped off a truck, left a laptop behind, and ran into a house. They belived he ran into the house so much so, that they raided the house and arrested everyone inside.

But alas, Zarqawi was not there. Why is that, if they where certain he ran in, certain enough to arrest everyone. Why was he not found. Did he run away? What does he run at the speed of sound with just one leg? Why couldn't the US go that extra metre to catch him, if he was on foot (pun intended) as they claimed he was?

Said anything about that phantom menace. Who claimed that, some unknown un named "source".

I've spoken to resistance, i know what they think of that non-person. But you don't have my sources, so i'll get you other ones. Let's hear what the resistance have to say about "zarqawi" themselves shall we?

www.albsarah.net

"For our part, we reject this erroneous claim for one simple reason: the al-Basrah Network is not taken in by the fairy tale pushed by the American and British invaders that the phantom that they call az-Zarqawi hovers over every part of Iraq and that it is he who resists the invaders. They promote such nonsense to justify the attacks that they launch everywhere in Iraq, committing massacre after massacre from al-Fallujah to Samarra’ and back to ar-Ramadi, claiming that this phantasm az-Zarqawi has moved from here to there to somewhere else. Some people might be fooled by these absurdities, but, thanks be to God, the Iraqi people are not fools.

The albasrah.net website has not published any reports about az-Zarqawi because we, like all Iraqis, do not believe this mythological figure exists on the pure soil of Iraq. Iraq is fighting Anglo-American terrorism in its own, native Iraqi Resistance movement, which offers itself as a sacrifice for the liberation of the country, determined to continue fighting until the last inch of Iraqi soil is freed from today’s barbarian hordes."

after she was saved/shot by US troops?

And you can look this up.

She said "they warned me this would happen".

[edit on 16-5-2005 by Syrian Sister]

Zarqawi plot/myth.

You know how the illuminati controlls both sides of a war? By making one side, join under a flag of a group that they create.

But the resistance isn't falling for that crap!
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" fallujah, history in the making" hellen williams youh aide iraq.

He went on to say (as do all Iraqis) that the 'terrorist' Zakawi did not exist, calling him an 'American phantom' and he demanded that the onslaught on Fallujah be stopped straight away.
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Memphis, you are absolutely right in what you post, and i am telling you here right now as myself. I am the closests thing this website has to the resistance.

There is no such thing as Al Zarqawi. And those beheading videos are false flag ops.

[edit on 16-5-2005 by Syrian Sister]

So we have the US army tracking Al-Zarqawi via a spy plane, then he 'apparently' escapes from the car somehow. Luckily they got a tip he's heading to a meeting in Ramadi.

April 26th
www.cnn.com...
"Troops were tipped off February 20 that al-Zarqawi might be heading to a meeting in Ramadi, west of Falluja, said the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity. The officials said al-Zarqawi's vehicle was under aerial surveillance from an unmanned Predator spy plane. Troops set up checkpoints along the route, and at one, al-Zarqawi's truck turned around to avoid it, the officials said. Troops ran the vehicle down after several miles but found al-Zarqawi apparently had escaped, they said.

So the US chase him to Ramadi and storm the hospital and seal off the city, ie. taking over another patch of Iraq under the guise of chasing Al-Zarqawi.

May 07th
www.iraq-war.ru...
"Samir al-Obeidi, an administrator at Ramadi’s hospital, said that American troops and Iraqi National Guardsmen raided the hospital on April 28, terrifying patients. “They came after the curfew without prior notice. They started searching all the wards, for men and women. Lots of people were horrified. They didn’t know what was happening,” he said. "

Didn't Al-Zarqawi lose a leg?

"Before the invasion of Iraq, U.S. intelligence reports suggested al-Zarqawi had his leg amputated in a Baghdad hospital after being wounded fighting U.S. forces in Afghanistan. The allegation was part of Secretary of State Colin Powell's presentation to the U.N. Security Council in February 2003, in which he laid out the U.S. case for war."
www.cnn.com...

In regards to Nick Burg:

"Intelligence officials conducted a technical analysis of the video released on an Islamic web site May 11 and determined "with high probability" that the person shown speaking on the tape — wearing a head scarf and a ski mask — is al-Zarqawi, a CIA official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity."
www.chinadaily.com.cn...

Yet it's PROVEN that the masked man has TWO legs and DOES NOT have a Jordanian accet, both attributes of Al-Zarqawi. So it's 'anonymous CIA sources' who are the source of Nick Burg being killed by Al-Zarqawi and ignoring obvious evidence to the contry.

Maybe his leg grew back??

"A U.S. official said Tuesday that al-Zarqawi traveled to Baghdad in May 2002 for treatment of a leg injury but, contrary to previous reports, appears not to have had a leg amputated. The official would not discuss the reason for the change in assessment."
www.cnn.com...

Maybe the obvious fact that their miraculous escapes and videos of people obviously not Al-Zarqawi don't add up when he only has one leg?

Either this administration is controlling all of this, using 500 year old war tatics of creating a problem and acting like the bringer of peace or they are just plain stupid and utter failures in their intelligence. Condsidering it's becoming obvious they lied and 'sexed' up intelligence to get into Iraq in the first place, it's logical to believe they are still making up intelligence now.

In control or out of control. Either way, how can you support them in good conscience when they are doing nothing good? Rebuilding what they destroyed in 1991 and in this war isn't 'rebuilding' Iraq, especially when BILLIONS for this cause has gone missing and only a fraction has been used.

How many pieces of the puzzle need to be in place before some of you can work out the real picture isn't the one on the box?

When ever information on Al-Zarqawi is released to the media, it's almost always from an 'anonymous source' or an un-named 'official source' from the Whitehouse or the Pentagon. They write their own news, it's not hard from them to create a boogyman and considering the Iraqi insurgency themselves don't believe he exsists you have to wonder where the Pentagon and Whitehouse are getting their info from to supply the US media - it's all in house!




[edit on 16-5-2005 by TheShroudOfMemphis]

quote: "A member of Jordan's Beni Hassan tribe, Zarqawi grew up in poverty and squalor. At the age of 17 he dropped out of school and began drinking heavily"

www.answers.com...

But the US claims, that he studied as a chemical and biological weapons specialist.

www.juancole.com...

How can you be a highschool drop out, how can he be a chemist and a bioligist?
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www.answers.com...

quote: " Others who knew him during this time reported that Zarqawi wasn't intelligent enough to organize a small crime gang, let alone a vast terrorist network"

And yet he is a bioligst and a chemist, who quit school as a teenager?

The US claimed, that the source who gave them the story about his one leg, was "disinformation".

www.answers.com...

But let's examine these sources more closely shall we.

www.absoluteastronomy.com...

From the last one above.

quote: "Early in 2002, there were unverified reports from Quick Facts about: Northern Alliance
A multiethnic alliance in Afghanistan who practice a moderate form of Islam and are united in their opposition to the TalibanNorthern Alliance members that Zarqawi had been killed by a missile attack in Afghanistan. Many news sources repeated the claim.

Later, Kurdish groups claimed that Zarqawi had not died in the missile strike, but had been severely injured, and went to Quick Facts about: Baghdad
Capital and largest city of Iraq; located on the Tigris RiverBaghdad in 2002 to have his leg amputated. On October 7, 2002, the day before Congress voted to give the President permission to go to war against Iraq, President Bush gave a speech in Quick Facts about: Cincinnati, Ohio
Quick Summary not found for this subjectCincinnati, Ohio that repeated this claim as fact. "

Now the US claimed that his kurdish source was "disinformation", and yet, they continue to belive parts of it, the part where he went to baghdad. Why this double standard?

Or do they just belive what suits them? And if the source, that they sooooo thought was absolutely credible, that they belived Zarqawi had one leg, for about a year, turns out to be "disinformation", then how can we trust any of the US's "tips" and sources?

www.indybay.org...

Quote:

US military intelligence agents in Iraq have revealed a series of botched and often tawdry dealings with unreliable sources who, in the words of one source, "told us what we wanted to hear".

"We were basically paying up to $10,000 a time to opportunists, criminals and chancers who passed off fiction and supposition about Zarqawi as cast-iron fact, making him out as the linchpin of just about every attack in Iraq," the agent said.

"Back home this stuff was gratefully received and formed the basis of policy decisions. We needed a villain, someone identifiable for the public to latch on to, and we got one."

Heh, heh Disinformation indeed, but who is the one that is being lied to here? I guess the one leg story was becoming a liability.

maybe we should ask the Iraqi doctor again. he is the witness who saw him and claim that he is the same guy as the photo that was posted up.

Us says he is the master of disguise and frequently changes his physical shape/ appearance.

www.globalresearch.ca...

(yet he keeps the beard, lol)

If if what they say is true, and no one can even recognise Zarqawi, then how can any of their "tips" as to where he is, be credible?

Obviously, their not, since they are always self contradictory, and often proved wrong by the very fact, that Zarqawi is never found due to these "tips" from "unknown sources" (*cough*cia*cough*).

[edit on 16-5-2005 by Syrian Sister]

these insurgents were definitely trying to save this guy whoever he is, and since the Iraqi doctor seems to claim he saw him, i believe him. the pictures were provided by Zarqawi aniways thanks to his leaving behind labtop while running away. o and his other official photos like his ID etc. from Afghanistan.

What doctor? the nameless faceless no one that is absolutely unverifiable?

Let’s see what they actually said.

"Samir al-Obeidi, an administrator at Ramadi’s hospital, said that American troops and Iraqi National Guardsmen raided the hospital on April 28, terrifying patients. “They came after the curfew without prior notice. They started searching all the wards, for men and women. Lots of people were horrified. They didn’t know what was happening,” he said.

As for your claim, that the resistance are helping the ghost, is that why they said, if they ever found that SOB they’d kill him, because he is obviously a CIA goon?

I am the closest thing this site has to the resistance, and read my lips, Zarqawi is a phantom creation by the US government.

What doctor? the nameless faceless no one that is absolutely unverifiable?

Let’s see what they actually said.

"Samir al-Obeidi, an administrator at Ramadi’s hospital, said that American troops and Iraqi National Guardsmen raided the hospital on April 28, terrifying patients. “They came after the curfew without prior notice. They started searching all the wards, for men and women. Lots of people were horrified. They didn’t know what was happening,” he said.

“the pictures were provided by Zarqawi aniways thanks to his leaving behind labtop while running away”

Which pictures where provided by his laptop? LOL, the laptop story was a few weeks old, the pictures you posted on the other thread, they where months and months old!
And besides, is that the same laptop, he left behind as he jumped of speeding trucks with his peg leg and his illness, hid behind a bridge so that the spy satellites etc can’t see him, but was then was definetly seen running into a house, running with a peg leg, and the US was so sure he ran into the house that they arrested everyone inside, but STILL couldn’t find him?

Originally posted by deltaboy
these insurgents were definitely trying to save this guy whoever he is, and since the Iraqi doctor seems to claim he saw him, i believe him. the pictures were provided by Zarqawi aniways thanks to his leaving behind labtop while running away. o and his other official photos like his ID etc. from Afghanistan.

Has is actually been proven his laptop was found? The only reports i've seen have been from the Pentagon on that matter which is no where near enough proof that it exsists.

If you think about it and if Al-Zarqawi is actually a black-op, it makes perfect sense that they'd 'find' his laptop after he runs away so they can continue chasing him. They need something to keep the chase going, what better way than to invent 'evidence' that could hold anything and led them anywhere?

Basically, they've made an excuse to further the fight. They may have found a laptop but i doubt they found his. If he carried a laptop and it had any important information on it, then he'd guard that with his life, it would be the most important possession he has and leaving it behind while being chased by the US army would be akin to being caught in the first place. If that laptop has important info on it, he's essentially destroying his whole cause by being clumsy enough to leave it in the car when he ran.

If it's more important to run than to run with a laptop, then it wouldn't have anything on it that's worth anything anyway. It might not even be his but the find in itself is enough for the Pentagon to further the story and have a reference to bring up for future operations.

I guess we need to find out what's happened with the laptop? Where has it gone to be studied? What are they pulling from it? What system was he using? What was it's specs? Thou i doubt there will be anything more on it than a mere reference when they 'chase' him somewhere new.