EU warns iran of consequences

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Iran has blatantly refused to repect the NPT and now the EU is preparing to have the issue sent before the UN security council.
iran has no respect for international law and is desperatly attempting to build up a nuclear arsenal. Looks like another war on the horrizon.:shk:
you would think iraq would set an example.

Do you blame Iran? The EU has come out with it's boldest move ever, the one it employs time and time again.

EU: "Quit it, or else!"
Iran: "Or else what?"
EU: "Or else we'll warn you again!"
US: "Ah-hem"
"EU: "Damn you, you American cowboys, we're handling this perfectly! Just give us your money and troops and get the hell out of here!"

Tell 'em Jake. "Iran could use a good punch in the mouth." (...to borrow their own threat)

America Hater:The USA has no rights what so ever, to tell iran that it cant have Nukes, its none of there business!!!

Why arent the America haters in here saying the same thing, and just switching USA with EU?

Oh oh i know, because unlike the EU, America is actualy capable and willing to enforce what it says..

Originally posted by junglejake
Do you blame Iran? The EU has come out with it's boldest move ever, the one it employs time and time again.

EU: "Quit it, or else!"
Iran: "Or else what?"
EU: "Or else we'll warn you again!"
US: "Ah-hem"
"EU: "Damn you, you American cowboys, we're handling this perfectly! Just give us your money and troops and get the hell out of here!"

LoL, thats pretty funny.

Originally posted by junglejake
Do you blame Iran? The EU has come out with it's boldest move ever, the one it employs time and time again.

EU: "Quit it, or else!"
Iran: "Or else what?"
EU: "Or else we'll warn you again!"
US: "Ah-hem"
"EU: "Damn you, you American cowboys, we're handling this perfectly! Just give us your money and troops and get the hell out of here!"

You know, next time you want our lads to spill blood and have thier blood spilled in thier place go ahead, just dont do that and spit on thier graves by calling them cowards.

Originally posted by C0le
America Hater:The USA has no rights what so ever, to tell iran that it cant have Nukes, its none of there business!!!

Why arent the America haters in here saying the same thing, and just switching USA with EU?

Oh oh i know, because unlike the EU, America is actualy capable and willing to enforce what it says..

So wait, everyone who thinks america has no right to tell another soverign nation how to run itself is now an america hater?
The EU has no right to do this ethier.
Oh and BTW might I add that the UK ,a major player in the co-alition of willing , is in the EU and a major player in that to.
Are you saying that the UK is now not in iraq?
Or afghanistan?

[edit on 26/02/2005 by devilwasp]

All this bluster and there's still no credible evidence or proof that Iran is in fact developing nuclear weapons.
This game was played with Iraq not so long ago, remember? It goes along the lines of :

Antogonist: Disclose your WMD programs and let us come and inspect.
Middle Eastern Country: Okey Dokey, send in your inspectors but we don't have any WMD programs.
Antagonist: Oh well, our inspectors have found nothing, but you must prove you don't have any WMD's.
Middle Eastern Country: But we don't have any WMD's
Antagonist: Aha, we don't believe you (we have intelligence data that we have skewed, taken out of context and cobbled together that now shows us that you do and are threatening our babies and Kittens).. send in the bombers.

We've been down this road before people and it has so far cost tens of thousands of innocent lives, plunged a country into civil war, cost the taxpayers billions, killed our troops and injured many thousands more etc...etc...
But, on a brighter note, a lot of our government's industrial backers have made a pile of money too so its not all bad news Hey, it's not like they are losing family members or getting their own legs blown off is it!!!

Originally posted by devilwasp
Oh and BTW might I add that the UK ,a major player in the co-alition of willing , is in the EU and a major player in that to.
Are you saying that the UK is now not in iraq?
Or afghanistan?

[edit on 26/02/2005 by devilwasp]

And? this has what to do with the EU? the EU said no to iraq without U.N approval, the UK fighting in iraq and afghanistan doesnt have anything to do with the EU.

They are a member, but whats going on in iraq isnt an EU thing its a UK thing.

so please tell me what anything you just spewed out has to do with what i said?


So until the EU actualy backs up the BS it says to Iran, set down please.

[edit on 12-5-2005 by C0le]

The EU has less military leverage on Iran than the US, on the other hand they have a lot more economic leverage.

How much trade is there between the US and Iran? Any?

Iran would and is spanking the EU/Europeans.
And because they are, they are now going to the UN to seek resolutions and more talk. All the while, Iran laughs and keeps on with their nuclear ambitions.

European appeasement policies have not worked in the past, and they dern sure did not work this against Iran. Now the UN will be put to the test and will end up failing on this issue with Iran, just as the Europeans did.




seekerof

Originally posted by C0le
Why arent the America haters in here saying the same thing, and just switching USA with EU?

Wow cole, I thought I explained this to you in the 'other' thread. It is AMERICA's actions that we are concerned with. AMERICA is our nation. Mine, yours, and every other American alive. This nation belongs to us and we have every right to question its actions if we dont feel the Government is doing a good job. The EU is NOT AMERICA, and therefore is not of my concern. It is not my place to judge them for their actions. It is NOT my country. Do you understand now? Will I have to do this agian on another thread later? Should I just cut and paste this to notepad and save it for a later occasion?..............

Oh oh i know, because unlike the EU, America is actualy capable and willing to enforce what it says..

Reaching for straws there also Cole. The EU is not to be underestimated in its strength and stratigic thinking.

Don't you think the EU is simply following a wise course in exhausting all diplomatic options before referring the matter to the UN security council?

'War is diplomacy by other means' (or something like that). Is it a bad thing that some countries would rather try and settle things peacefully and act in accordances with the procedures and precedents set out in international law rather than just attack and let more people die?

Fine, diplomacy doesn't seem to have worked this time, that's why the matter will be sent before the security council. The members of the security council will decide a course of action and if they decide military action is the only route left open, then it will be done with legitimacy.

Personally, i'd rather we exhausted all possible peaceful means to resolve this situation rather than just attack with whoever will go with us.

European appeasement policies have not worked in the past

I love the language of the far right - anything short of total war is "appeasement" and Chamberlain all over again

Funny, in WW2 if you remember, in the US it was the right that supported a policy of appeasement towards Hitler, far more so than the left. Hell some on the right thought the US ought to forge an alliance with Nazi Germany, in order to defeat the USSR and contain the spread of Communism.

[edit on 5/12/05 by xmotex]

Originally posted by Kidfinger
Wow cole, I thought I explained this to you in the 'other' thread. It is AMERICA's actions that we are concerned with. AMERICA is our nation. Mine, yours, and every other American alive. This nation belongs to us and we have every right to question its actions if we dont feel the Government is doing a good job. The EU is NOT AMERICA, and therefore is not of my concern. It is not my place to judge them for their actions. It is NOT my country. Do you understand now? Will I have to do this agian on another thread later? Should I just cut and paste this to notepad and save it for a later occasion?..............

America haters arent all americans you know. my remarks is comming from certain people who make certain threads regarding iran, i dont expect you to be psychic though il make things clearer from now on..






Come to think about it, knowing this forum you might just be psychic, and are toying with me...

[edit on 12-5-2005 by C0le]

The U.N. is going to fall on its own dull sword as it tries to tell Iran that it must quit producing fissionable material. Of course the E.U. is going to exert much pressure on Iran but it will not capitulate. Iran is tyring to become a nuclear player and if enoungh pressure is put on them by the U.N. actually doing its job along with other key countries in the region, it might wise up instead of starving their young and breeding a new generation of terrorists. Iran with the bomb(s) is a disaster waiting for a place to happen.

Originally posted by C0le


America haters arent all americans you know.

I understand. Its just that the quote you used after the title American Haters is almost word for word what I said in the 'other' thread. I did a bad thing and assumed you were reffering to me. I guess my ego got in the way there

Come to think about it, knowing this forum you might just be psychic, and are toying with me...

The All Seeing KID !

[edit on 5/12/05 by Kidfinger]

Originally posted by C0le
And? this has what to do with the EU? the EU said no to iraq without U.N approval, the UK fighting in iraq and afghanistan doesnt have anything to do with the EU.

Doest matter, you insult the EU and you insult the UK.

They are a member, but whats going on in iraq isnt an EU thing its a UK thing.

so please tell me what anything you just spewed out has to do with what i said?


So until the EU actualy backs up the BS it says to Iran, set down please.

[edit on 12-5-2005 by C0le]

The EU didnt back the war but they are involved you cant deny that.
You seem to think that everyone that doesnt agree with the US is a US hater.
That is wrong,
The EU isnt military yet, they most likely will.


[edit on 26/02/2005 by devilwasp]

The UN is worhtless...unless you have oil and need food.

Kofi "Invertebrate" Annan should take his lackey-of-a-son and guard a school crosswalk in Karachi or something. Wait, no. They might swindle the kids out of their lunch money and have it taken from them by some playground bully.

The United Nations are impotent. The United States will, again, enforce the resolutions of the UN, just like Iraq. No one ever mentions the fact that Iraq WAS IN CLEAR VIOLATION of several key UN resolutions. The USA stepped up and enforced the UN becasue the UN wasn't capable nor willing to enforce their own resolutions. Everyone says it was Bush and the Neo con's this, American hegemony that , Pax Americana etc, but really it was the US standing up for wahat the international community had decided but was to weak to do themselves

Same thing with Iran. The EU is the illegitimate red headed bastard stepson of the UN ( no offense to redheads ). As if the EU would do anything ...please. Oh I see - there lame negotitans failed , there " Euro - politicking " didn't work with Iran so what dio they do ? refer it to the UN - big friggin deal. So the UN can put up resolutions that Iran won't follow only to ultimately be enforced by the USA , with likley opposition from the EU. The irony ....I mean I could go on and on about this.

The EU is a joke militarliy - the UN is obsolete and ineffective. Everyone in the world knows it will be up to the United States to do something about the Iran nuclear problem, and we will, with echoes of the worlds politicians dissecting our motives as we enforce THEIR resolutions

Unbelievable

Out

[edit on 13-5-2005 by Alias Jones]

Instead of bickering back and forth about who is controlling who.....because the problem is the fact that Iran is run by religious fanatics, who will not rest until they have obliviated the rest of the free world, simply because we do not share their beliefs.

There is no sense in trying to negotiate with these people, and we're all stupid to think that we can. These people live by laws that were established thousands of years ago. The Muslims believe that Westerners, ie, Europe, U.S.A. , are a bad influence and since we don't share their beliefs, that we are their ultimate enemy. It is truely a religious war.

The following is an example of how they believe women in society should be:

Quote:

AFP: Police in the Iranian capital are poised to launch a fresh crackdown targeting "models of corruption", or in other words poorly-veiled women, press reports said Wednesday. "The police will act against the models of corruption out in public places and against those who may not be ladies of the street but whose conduct does not respect Islam," Tehran province's police chief, General Reza Zareie, was quoted as saying.

www.iranfocus.com...


Do you think that we, Americans, and Europeans will comply with this kind of life style? No, I don't think so.

Ponder over that awhile.