Papers, please--Real ID passes Senate 100-0

Just got the news off Prison Planet (www.prisonplanet.com...).

Guess we should start getting used to a national ID now....

well it looks like a field day for biblical fanatics and hard core conspiracy theorists is just on the horizon. Of course, to issue 350 million ID cards will be an incredibly expensive procedure. Just the process to verify each citizens identity; that is matching a birth certificate, baptismal certificate and drivers' license with a single individual will be a herculean task. If there is also a numer attached to the card, other than a social security number (which has had it's own "trial" in the biblical conspiracy camp), I shudder to think what would be made of numbers which equal 666 -- or is it 616 now?

jesus, why does it have to come so soon?



so it begins.

And as all of you get dressed for work and put your wallet in your pants that contains your credit card and drivers license in it, consider for a moment how in a world where everything is recorded as is you are bawling over a privacy that died before you were born. Late and unproductive from a realistic perspective. Sorry.

I dont think people realize how bad this is. It is claimed that it will stop illegal immigration. This actually happened in Nazi germany. This will allow the government to not only track all your activities, but Know who,what race, gender,etc you are. No one will be able to do anything without one. Lets get real here people this has nothing to do with immigration,terrorism or the like. This is an establishment of a tolitarian regime. The sad thing is it's too damn late to stop it. Our congress has sold us out. Our last hope is that maybe the courts will declare it unconstitional. If that doesnt happen we better get used to the idea and start raising our right hands and shouting "Sieg Heil!":shk:.

Originally posted by Trustnone
This will allow the government to not only track all your activities, but Know who,what race, gender,etc you are. No one will be able to do anything without one.

If I'm not mistaken, it isn't too difficult for someone to be tracked as it is. I mean, for most things you have give your SSN now days anyways; at the college I used to go to it was your student id. Even a fairly poor hacker can get ahold of that and find out most anything they want to know about you. If the government really wants to track everything you do they can do it anyways without raising a big fuss about it. I'm sure somewhere down the road someone will raise some hell about it being an invasion of privacy if it gets too out of hand. I dunno, I've never really done anything I cared if anyone found out about anyways. I'm paranoid enough as it is, always thinking everyone's paying attention too me; this isn't going to make that much of a difference in my life. Maybe just give me that warm fuzzy feeling thinking that someone really is watching...

Originally posted by MCory1

Originally posted by Trustnone
This will allow the government to not only track all your activities, but Know who,what race, gender,etc you are. No one will be able to do anything without one.

If I'm not mistaken, it isn't too difficult for someone to be tracked as it is. I mean, for most things you have give your SSN now days anyways; at the college I used to go to it was your student id. Even a fairly poor hacker can get ahold of that and find out most anything they want to know about you. If the government really wants to track everything you do they can do it anyways without raising a big fuss about it. I'm sure somewhere down the road someone will raise some hell about it being an invasion of privacy if it gets too out of hand. I dunno, I've never really done anything I cared if anyone found out about anyways. I'm paranoid enough as it is, always thinking everyone's paying attention too me; this isn't going to make that much of a difference in my life. Maybe just give me that warm fuzzy feeling thinking that someone really is watching...

its not the privacy issue im worried about its the propechy part im worried about this crap is starting to sound familiar and its not fair thousands of years and the ends of times are near that sucks there so much i want to do but the new laws are in place and the terrorist have won our freedoms are being taken away i salute u bin laden who is problably in a american bunker plannin another so called no planned unpreventable terrorist attack. i tip my hat to the people who are smarter than me and found a way to take over with out the peoples consent but i dont blame myself entirely its the lazy people i blame who complain about everything but dont do anything about it like the communist say there usefull idiots.

Originally posted by forsakenwayfarer
jesus, why does it have to come so soon?



so it begins.

Well nothing takes effect until 2008.

So you still have three years to PARTAY!!!



after that though


Here's a better link than Prisonplanet ( )
Senate approves electronic ID card bill

with a good FAQ page

[edit on 11-5-2005 by ThatsJustWeird]

Fear of this is ridiculous. I already have Federal IDs in the form of a Social Security card and a Passport. My New York Driver's License I think already meets the requirements under the new law. A national ID standard is not the mark of the beast nor a sign of a coming police state. :shk:

[edit on 5/11/2005 by djohnsto77]

It's nothing to worry about. In my younger years I hardly waited to get an ID card. I could apply for one when I reached 15. The nice lady took my data, picture and fingerprints and 14 days later I received my first lovely brand new ID card.

But then again we had comunism in my country for 50 years.


PS. ID card in my country were mandatory at the age of 18. If you didn't have it or forgot one at home some "nice" police officers took you to the station and "politely" asked you some "nice" questions.

Originally posted by yanchek
PS. ID card in my country were mandatory at the age of 18. If you didn't have it or forgot one at home some "nice" police officers took you to the station and "politely" asked you some "nice" questions.

Well this isn't even mandatory, you'll just a federally-approved ID for access to Federal buildings, airports, and other federally-secured areas.

Originally posted by djohnsto77
Fear of this is ridiculous. I already have Federal IDs in the form of a Social Security card and a Passport. My New York Driver's License I think already meets the requirements under the new law. A national ID standard is not the mark of the beast nor a sign of a coming police state. :shk:

[edit on 5/11/2005 by djohnsto77]

My thoughts exactly...

"Please explain exactly how this card allows the Gov't to track all your activities?" After you've explained that, please explain how "no one will be able to do anything without one."


The requirements of the ID are as follows:

(1) The person's full legal name.
(This can be found on your drivers license)
(2) The person's date of birth.
(This can be found on your drivers license)
(3) The person's gender.
(This can be found on your drivers license)
(4) The person's driver's license or identification card number.
(This can be found on your drivers license / state issued non-driving ID card)
(5) A digital photograph of the person.
(This can be found on your drivers license / state issued non-driving ID card)
(6) The person's address of principle residence.
(This can be found on your drivers license)
(7) The person's signature.
(This can be found on your drivers license)
(8) Physical security features designed to prevent tampering, counterfeiting, or duplication of the document for fraudulent purposes.
(This can be found on your drivers license / state issued non-driving ID card)
(9) A common machine-readable technology, with defined minimum data elements.
(This can be found on your drivers license / state issued non-driving ID card)


Reason, and support for the real ID.
www.nationalreview.com...


You act as if the gov't seriously cares as to what you're having for breakfast, or where you buy your toilet paper from... The Gov't could care less about all these things. Should these cards come about (and it seems they will), you will simply be forgotten as a number in a gov't database, (as you allready are now)... for the most part the average citizen probly has nothing to worry about... unless of course he, or she just rented a ryder truck, withdrew a huge ammount of money, and booked a oneway flight to afghanistan... (in that order... and if thats the case, theres still a slim chance someone would take notice.)

What is so wrong about a National ID?

I just hope they really put an enormous effort into only issuing the card to people who are really truly US citizens.

Regular State licenses get boring anyways, a new ID card that says "United States Citizen" on it would be a nice reminder that you are bigger then something other then the State you live in.

Altough I hate to admit it since I think the goverment has too much control as it is. I have to support this movement for a Naational Identification Card.
A card that requires a person to show their actual status in the US, if they are here as a national (born in the US) a temporary imigrant such as a student or temorary worker) or a naturalised citizen.

The good thing about this bill, is as it stands now, state driver's liscenses and non-driving IDs are for the most part not shared with other states. This has been a loophole that has been used by many negative types of people such as ilegal imigrants as well as criminals

As for goverment tracking, Have to say that as the bill has been written, it will only track your entrance exsit from goverment facilities and airports which is done already so what would be the difference?

I was watching Good Morning America this morning and they mentioned that the military appropriations bill passed unanimously. The national ID was riding on this bill and no mention of it was made. If this ID is so wonderful and expected to be accepted by the masses, then why isn't anything being said by the media and goevernment at large. The typical smoke-and-mirrors used by our wardens...I mean officials.

The card itself, like most other well-intended programs, will not initially be the tool that will enslave us...but when its use changes over the next 3 1/2 years everyone will understand.