All Medicine is from satan

'God created man with the intent of keeping him ignorant and ran Adam and Eve out of the Garden because of the tree of knowledge. I would submit that ALL technology provided to man is from SATAN and has no place in faith whatsoever. Therefore all medicines are evil as is all technology "

Is this your own opinion or are you trying to create a heaty discussion?
Only the extremist christians think like that as far as I know.

As a christian I think God gave us brains for a reason, we're supposed to use them.

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Are you kidding me?

Do you believe that God gave us free will?

Do you believe that God helps those who help themselves? Do you believe that people can help themselves if they are ignorant??

Why do people run around talking about Satan? Why give Satan so much credit and power? Satan is powerless if you ignore him.

Jemison

Originally posted by Bush43
I would submit that ALL technology provided to man is from SATAN and has no place in faith whatsoever.

So churches are from Satan then? After all, there is technology in even the most basic of church buildings, as well as stone mining, tree-felling, and theory and planning that have to take place before the church is even built.
What about bibles too? Printing technology-a-plenty.
What about the bread that Jesus breaks? Technology required at every stage of its making from clutivating the land, to baking the loaf in an oven.
What about the communion wine? Manipulation of the fermentation process is a technology in itself.

And, what about the interent, which you are using to propogate the idea that all technology is evil? Is this a serious hypothesis?

bush43 started this thread after he'd posted similar thoughts on the thread about the 10yo girl on the pill.

he stated then the same thoughts..........so i suggested he go start a thread on this exact topic..............so we could discuss indepth.

THAT's what its posted.

i still disagree...........but that's what started the thread.


angie

Originally posted by Bush43
'God created man with the intent of keeping him ignorant and ran Adam and Eve out of the Garden because of the tree of knowledge. I would submit that ALL technology provided to man is from SATAN and has no place in faith whatsoever. Therefore all medicines are evil as is all technology "

What about the idea of 'Faith' is a deception by SATAN to prevent man from obtaining the original tree of knowledge?

that is interesting logic. i can understand why one might feel that way. but if all tech is evil in nature as it would be if it was from satan. then why are you useing a computer? something you must admit can bring quite a lot of evil things to someone.

eating from the tree of knowlage (as i read it it was the tree of knowlage of good and evil) is what brought humans down into sinning. once the fruit was eaten there was no turning back. the first sin if you will. it however DID NOT bring evil into the world, that was already here hence the con-game by the serpant. it was what let us see or mabe understand is a better term, good and evil. this does not point to giveing us knowlage in itself just the ability to know what is good and bad, the word conchance (sorry spelling), comes to mind. i think our ability to create was already there. there was just no real need to use it. or perhaps that ability was given to us after being kicked out of the garden. insufficiant info to be sure.

i realy do not believe that technology is inherintly good or bad. it can certainly be used for either. just as a gun can be used to hunt for food so can it be used to kill fellow humans out of jelousy. (you can insert virtualy any weapon in place of gun probably not bombs though that would realy mess up the meat). it is the USE of technology which makes it good or bad. now with tech being neutral but it's useage being what makes it good or bad, then ultimatly it is us humans as useual that make it what it is. it is up to US how tech is used, we MAKE the choices. that is what good and evil are; CHOICES. WE ALWAYS have a choice. what we DO is good are bad, not what we USE. in the end that is what we are. we are the sum of the choices that we make.

take an injured animal for instance. we can help to try to make it better. we can ignore it and go on. we can put it out of it's misory. we can even poke it with a stick. the CHOICE is ours on what we do. there are even more OPTIONS available, there are countless things that we can do in any circumstance.

take a computer for example, there are many things we can do with it. we can download say kiddy porn. we can play solitare. we can play many vidio games both violent and non-violent alike. we can converse and try to make things better. we can break into secure files and steal. as well as many, many things we can do. again the CHOICE of how we USE it makes it good or bad. a computer does not make concious decisions, it only does what we the human tell it to do.

no tech is not good or evil by it's existance. it is the way that it is used that determins that. only inteligance can decide what to do, and that IS what makes something either good or bad, CHOICE.

Proverbs 17:22 - A merry heart doeth good like a medicine: but a broken spirit drieth the bones.

King Solomon was a pretty wise person. Would he equate a merry heart with something that comes from the satan?

Originally posted by Bush43I would submit that ALL technology provided to man is from SATAN and has no place in faith whatsoever.

Then what are you doing behind a monitor, mouse and a keyboard? Turn off your computer.

Man was created perfect, in gods image, and with all the knowledge needed to have a full happy life. Then satan tempted eve with the fruit of the tree of knowledge or good and evil. Knowledge itslef is neutral, its use by man as provided by satan is evil becuase satan is evil. Faith provdes all things necesary for life. Technology is satans way of mimicing God. Sort of "see I can do it too" kind of thing. Thru faith man could move a mountain, thru technology man can blow up the mountain. See the diference?

Nope, because it's only a belief you have there. And I personally don't believe Satan exist. Technology is only to make life easier. Without technology we would still be living in caves, and the wheel would not exist for example. No airplanes, no cars, no ships, no churches. Churches were built using different building technologies (according to the time period that the church was built in.)

Originally posted by Bush43
'God created man with the intent of keeping him ignorant and ran Adam and Eve out of the Garden because of the tree of knowledge. I would submit that ALL technology provided to man is from SATAN and has no place in faith whatsoever. Therefore all medicines are evil as is all technology "

I am guessing that noone who is sitting on their computer right now, surfing the internet and reading this post made by someone who is probably hundreds of miles away from them agrees with this. Call me crazy, but I believe this to be true.

Bush43 you don't have to make this type of threads to get point fast because obviously your controversy on "Satan" and "technology" is giving you what you want "sensationalism"

Give me all the technology in the world, I am one of those that stopped believing in Satan a long time ago.

It was the day I looked under the bed and saw that it was nothing in there.

By the way humans were never mean to be perfect but to make mistakes and learn from experiences.

Originally posted by junglejake

Originally posted by Bush43
'God created man with the intent of keeping him ignorant and ran Adam and Eve out of the Garden because of the tree of knowledge. I would submit that ALL technology provided to man is from SATAN and has no place in faith whatsoever. Therefore all medicines are evil as is all technology "

I am guessing that noone who is sitting on their computer right now, surfing the internet and reading this post made by someone who is probably hundreds of miles away from them agrees with this. Call me crazy, but I believe this to be true.

Even people who don't use computers and/or the Internet won't agree with this as they probably have milk and cereal, or eggs and bacon for breakfast, or a banana shake. All of which has been delivered to the neighborhood by trucks, i.e. technology.

What a BS topic.

Originally posted by Bush43
Man was created perfect, in gods image, and with all the knowledge needed to have a full happy life. Then satan tempted eve with the fruit of the tree of knowledge or good and evil. Knowledge itslef is neutral, its use by man as provided by satan is evil becuase satan is evil. Faith provdes all things necesary for life. Technology is satans way of mimicing God. Sort of "see I can do it too" kind of thing. Thru faith man could move a mountain, thru technology man can blow up the mountain. See the diference?

I think you need to see a head doctor mate. There is bad and good, you learn what bad is when you experience it. Then you learn from that experience and you pass it on to the next so they do not make the same mistake. Thats life.

We are Satan we are God in our own rights we can choose life over death and death over life but it is wether we wish to exercise these rights. That my friend is up to you.

BTW I'd like to see that mountain move with your mind???

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Just because satan conned adam and eve into aquiring knowledge of good and evil, does not mean their use of the knowledge is evil just because satan's intent was evil.

Yes, technology can make man think himself a god; but again, that doesn't make technology bad. It makes man's interpretation a little off, lol.

In one of the books of the Pseudepigrapha, I think mention is made that the fallen watchers and their offspring taught man forbidden knowledge and technologies, which man used to further corrupt himself. But not all men used this knowledge, nor did all who used it use it sinfully. If they did so, Noah would have been corrupted and God would not have saved him from the deluge.

If technology is evil and solely from Satan, then their are just a handful of souls throughout history who will be saved and admitted into Heaven.

And, if all technology is evil and from Satan, then we, Man, in turn must be profound fools; No more than babies who cannot think for themselves and must rely on Satan and his minions for everything we have in this life.

Didn't read the whole thread, but if it hasn't been pointed out yet...

He is saying this on ATS using a computer so he is obviously just baiting for replies. IF he thought computers were evil, it would be a sin to use them.

Don't feed the trolls.

Originally posted by junglejake

I am guessing that noone who is sitting on their computer right now, surfing the internet and reading this post made by someone who is probably hundreds of miles away from them agrees with this. Call me crazy, but I believe this to be true.

The entire electromagnetic spectum provides all things for energy, light, sight, etc, etc. The human brain can process all wavelengths in some manner. Faith provides the "link" between man and the riches of the universe without the crutch of technology. Before the flood that link was abundant and abused. The earth and man was fundamentally changed to cut that link after the flood.

The greatest lie ever told is that satan doesn't exist.

I am using the tools available on YOUR level to communicate with all of YOU in a manner YOU can understand. Those of true faith can communicate bewteen each other without such devices. Few on earth have this ability at this time.

Originally posted by Bush43
I am using the tools available on YOUR level to communicate with all of YOU in a manner YOU can understand. Those of true faith can communicate bewteen each other without such devices. Few on earth have this ability at this time.

So why exactly are you sitting around suing evil? Last I checked using evil for a good purpose is still an evil act.

Or is it ok to summon demons to convert people? Or make a pact with the devil to cause others to repent?

Maybe you should worry less about our sins and souls and more about yours... we may be evil to you, but at least we aren't violating our own faith.

EDIT: Feeding the trolls... I won't be posting to this thread any more.

[edit on 10-5-2005 by Quest]

Quote: "God Created man with the Intent of keeping him Ignorant."

I want everyone to think about the statement above for a Second... Kind of Sadistic no?

Quote: "As a Christian I think God gave us Brains for a Reason - we're supposed to use them."

Yes I agree - we would not be able to Function or Survive as a Species without Reasonable Thought!

Quote: "Do you believe that God gave us Free Will?"

Yes I also agree with this - God did indeed give us Free Will & Brains!

We need to START to take Responsibilities for our *OWN ACTIONS* as a Species. Only the Weak Willed & Weak Minded look to blame "Satan" as an Excuse!

Quote: "Adam and Eve into acquiring Knowledge of Good and Evil, does not mean their use of the Knowledge (& Technology) is Evil just because Satan's intent was Evil.

Fallen Watchers and their offspring taught man forbidden Knowledge and Technologies - which man used to further Corrupt himself. But not all men used this Knowledge - nor did all who used it use it Sinfully."

I definitely agree with the Interpretation above! While I will not deny that Evil does in fact Exist - the use of calling everything in the world that you disagree with & *PERCEIVE* to be Evil = "Satanic" is a Phallacy that has really become Tiresome!

Quote: "Then what are you doing behind a monitor, mouse and a keyboard? Turn off your computer."

Now THAT is the REAL Ultimate Paradox - what the HECK are *LITERAL BIBLE INTERPRETER FUNDAMENTALISTS* doing on the Web in the First Place? Wouldn't their Heads Explode?

Think about the Ridiculousness of calling Medicine "Evil" - TROLL anyone?


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