How much do you trust the Israelis?

Nobody has any proof about this. Things dont seem right to me , i just think that Israel secret service is the real Al Quaidia

And your proof for your thinking bulldog is what?



seekerof

Originally posted by Seekerof
And your proof for your thinking bulldog is what?

seekerof

I dont have any proof , i just think that whats happened on 911 was not done by terrorists,i think it was either Israel or your own goverment who did that.

No problem.
With all these assertions being made in this topic, I was simply hoping that someone would provide at least something remotely resembling a credible and valid news source(s) or article(s) to back them.
Thats all.




seekerof

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I don't trust any national group or political entity, but I'll say this, Israel has some balls spying on the U.S. after all the U.S. has done for them. People talk about France "stabbing us in the back" for stuff we've done 60 years ago? Hello? Israel is doing worse, today, while we prop them up, today!

That said, I don't think Israel conducted 9/11 or anything as extreme as that. I've simply seen no convincing proof, and I find it hard to believe they (or any nation-state) would overtly orchestrate such an act. The risks of getting caught are too high, and the payoff just doesn't seem worth it, especially in Israel's case. Proponents of the view Israel had something to do with it usually argue that they did it to get America "involved in a war with their enemies." But, the status quo vis a vis the U.S., Israel, and the Arab world already was in Israel's favor, so what would they have to gain?

-koji K.

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Am I wrong..didn't Iraelis just get another snippit of of US intelligence?
Seems to me they love the US ut need more underlying intelligence.

Having said that they act in a split second to do those unmentonal things to get human intelligence.

Sad part is the cost of having so many of people killed withing there own territory.in that degree the Jews really do have a reason to esclalate their power to take out all those who just simply kill their people, just to kill or maime their people..

Dallas

Originally posted by koji_K
I don't trust any national group or political entity, but I'll say this, Israel has some balls spying on the U.S. after all the U.S. has done for them. People talk about France "stabbing us in the back" for stuff we've done 60 years ago? Hello? Israel is doing worse, today, while we prop them up, today!

That said, I don't think Israel conducted 9/11 or anything as extreme as that. I've simply seen no convincing proof, and I find it hard to believe they (or any nation-state) would overtly orchestrate such an act. The risks of getting caught are too high, and the payoff just doesn't seem worth it, especially in Israel's case. Proponents of the view Israel had something to do with it usually argue that they did it to get America "involved in a war with their enemies." But, the status quo vis a vis the U.S., Israel, and the Arab world already was in Israel's favor, so what would they have to gain?

-koji K.They gain by you suppling them with the latest armaments and lots of money , we don't get that in Britain being your only ally who doesn't screw you for your dollars. Perhaps you might want to see who benefits from this new surge in terrorism, might be Israel

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Bulldog, why do you think this? You say you don't have proof but why, did any events lead you to this thought? Did you see a movie or TV show then thought about it?

here's a link....if we're on the same page of thought here this might help...
Im sure alot of these groups did thier share of bombings over there
Anti-Israel terrorist groups

Five Israeli's Arrested in New Jersey on 9/11/2001 after video taping and cheering during the destruction of the towers

Explosives residue was indicated by bomb sniffing dogs in their moving van, a nearbye hotel was evacuated.

Their Israeli boss dropped his business and left the country for Israel 9/15/2001
The Five detained israeli's after denying they were mossad, failed polygraph tests, they were indeed mossad, and they were released.

I still have copies of the 9/12/2001 morning edition local newspapers detailing the arrest as part of its 9/11 coverage. The story was never covered again in any major newspapers.

i think this thread became bunk once that P.O.S. of a person actually suggested hitler should have killed all the jews, or that their existence was to blame for the palestinian/ jewish conflict. hey kid, way to make 17-18 year olds look intelligent!

I trust the Israelis as much as i trust Bush... One of their diplomats has already been kicked out of Aus for spying, and a couple were arrested in NZ recently for trying to obtain false passports... but i suppose all intelligence agengies do the same...

As a country i think Israel is corrupt and use underhanded means, and have overplayed the victim card and the 'oh but our people suffered' card too often...

I'm being anti-semetic, but i really think the state of Israel needs to let the past lie, and focus on the future and present.

i trust isrial about as much as any other country. ALL countries spy,even on their friends. heck even the vatican has it's own spy network, why not . every country does things to further their nations, after all they are their own country and therefore that country comes first. the cia, masod, cesis, mi5 the list goes on. every nation has their own version. sometimes they help friends, sometimes enimys. it all depends on what is benificial to their home nation. heck the brits spy on the yanks, the yanks on the brits, they both spy on the canuks and the canuks spy on both of them. and we are all "friends". it is natural as they have their own welfare to look after. both canada and the states would have invasion plans for the other. you never can know what will happen next week after all.

About as far as I could spit a rat!

Any country which elects an indicted war-criminal as its leader has shown its contempt for the rule of law and should be treated as a pariah state.

The US's attitude to Isreal is bizarre. The UK was not trusted for years after blunt / philby etc. Yet it seems that every couple of months Isreal is discovered bribing officials, stealing secrets etc. When this happens the US citizen involved gets prosecuted but his contacts in Mossad etc are never named, are protected and never sanctioned. Why?

US provides $Bn's in aid propping up Isreal, vetoing any criticism of Isreal in the UN, give them latest-generation military kit at prices better than 'free'.

Isreal spies on the US, kills it's sailors and spies on it's military

Some Ally!!


R

Originally posted by CTID56092
About as far as I could spit a rat!

Any country which elects an indicted war-criminal as its leader has shown its contempt for the rule of law and should be treated as a pariah state.

The US's attitude to Isreal is bizarre. The UK was not trusted for years after blunt / philby etc. Yet it seems that every couple of months Isreal is discovered bribing officials, stealing secrets etc. When this happens the US citizen involved gets prosecuted but his contacts in Mossad etc are never named, are protected and never sanctioned. Why?

US provides $Bn's in aid propping up Isreal, vetoing any criticism of Isreal in the UN, give them latest-generation military kit at prices better than 'free'.

Isreal spies on the US, kills it's sailors and spies on it's military

Some Ally!!


R

should remember that we sold high tech weaponry to Israel's enemies, u wonder y they spy on us. they really believe that they have no allies, also they started making their own weapons now instead of being dependant on us.

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I don't trust the Israeli government at all.

They spy on the US, hand over classified technology to the Chinese, and who knows what else.

The US may be Israel's ally, but Israely is clearly not an ally of the US, except to the extent they can use us to further thier goals for them.

They should not be getting so much as a penny of my tax money.

Originally posted by xmotex
I don't trust the Israeli government at all.

They spy on the US, hand over classified technology to the Chinese, and who knows what else.

The US may be Israel's ally, but Israely is clearly not an ally of the US, except to the extent they can use us to further thier goals for them.

They should not be getting so much as a penny of my tax money.

Very well said!

I think the people have spoken: we do not and should not trust Israel.

It's a loaded question. Trust in comparison to what?
And precisely which Israelis are we talking about?

If we're talking about people in general, I'd trust an Israeli as much as anyone else.
If we're talking about their security forces and government, then I'd say "watch your back". They're up there with the French in looking after Number One. Luckily though, what's good for the two countries above normally happens to be good for my country as well and therefore I don't really have much cause to worry about trust.

Originally posted by Bulldog 52
Ive got no agenda against Jewish people, but i think the Israeli secret service might be trying to manipulate America, its just a gut feeling , what do you think?

I trust them as much as I trust a chocolate fireguard.

why should we trust isrial any less than any other government? ALL governments do the same things. just as isrial traded tech to an enimy of the us. the us has given tech to enimies of isrial. why not as sovern nations they ALL look after their own intrests. NO country is NOT guilty of this.

Originally posted by drogo
why should we trust isrial any less than any other government? ALL governments do the same things. just as isrial traded tech to an enimy of the us. the us has given tech to enimies of isrial. why not as sovern nations they ALL look after their own intrests. NO country is NOT guilty of this.

The difference between Israel and all these "other counteries" is that Israel enjoys a rather unique and unprecendented support of the US which includes transfers of military tech. Having that in mind, transgressions of Israel (selling tech and passing sensitive diplomatic info through the AIPAC to the Israeli services) are specifically more appaling than anybody else's. They don't just stab our back, they twist the dagger.


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