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Originally posted by devilwasp
Not all terrorists are like that.
Originally posted by devilwasp
The PIRA has rules and regs which are far more brutally enoforced than ANY military.
The UVF/UDA have similar.
Many terrorist units like HAMAS I believe have similar rules.
Dont try and catalog them as just this and that, its grey.
Originally posted by vincere7
First of all you have to define terrorist. Those fighting in Iraq are called insurgents and what does that mean? There are several definitions. Generally an insurgent is a person who rebels or revolts against a ruling government, or constituted authority, more appropriately - an established government. One who acts contrary to the policies and decisions of one's own political party.
Originally posted by Bikereddie
I support the soldiers who are doing a job they are payed for and signed up for.
How is bombing people, many of them innocent, from 50,000 feet any different?
Originally posted by Bikereddie
I do not support terrorism for the simple fact that they fight, and kill and maim innocent people to justify their cause.
Originally posted by Bikereddie
Terrorist's are not an army, no matter how they see them selves. They are just cowards who stop at nothing ,nor think nothing of anyone who happens to be in the way when a bomb explodes, detonated by some mindless individual who has been brain washed into believing he will become a martyr.
quote: Originally posted by Legalizer
You mean mercenaries there don't you?
You are inside their heads, every last one of several million? How do you know what each of them thinks. Your statement is pure bias bull.
You know what probably goes through some of their heads "Americans killed my father, my uncles, and my mother, they will pay"
Personally I don't support either side, its not my fight, and neither side is supporting my cause or my freedom, so F'em all.
Originally posted by xman_in_blackx
Really? Maybe, you should enlighten us as to what their 'rules and regs' are, so that we, too, may feel sympathy for those who risk their lives to kill innocent people.
After looking at the MI5 list of PIRA's work, it looks to me like they don't pay too much attention to their 'rules.'
Originally posted by devilwasp
Originally posted by xman_in_blackx
Really? Maybe, you should enlighten us as to what their 'rules and regs' are, so that we, too, may feel sympathy for those who risk their lives to kill innocent people.
Mabye if you opened your mind you might understand who your troops are fighting and why.
The IRA/UVF have several rules, I dont have a list of them but if there was no rules then why wasnt more civilian deaths caused by ethier?
After looking at the MI5 list of PIRA's work, it looks to me like they don't pay too much attention to their 'rules.'
Depends on what thier "rules" are.
MI5 probably isnt the best place to look because they done some crimes equal to the PIRA's.
Close mindedness will get you killed.
Originally posted by pieman
Originally posted by devilwasp
Originally posted by xman_in_blackx
Really? Maybe, you should enlighten us as to what their 'rules and regs' are, so that we, too, may feel sympathy for those who risk their lives to kill innocent people.
Mabye if you opened your mind you might understand who your troops are fighting and why.
The IRA/UVF have several rules, I dont have a list of them but if there was no rules then why wasnt more civilian deaths caused by ethier?
After looking at the MI5 list of PIRA's work, it looks to me like they don't pay too much attention to their 'rules.'
Depends on what thier "rules" are.
MI5 probably isnt the best place to look because they done some crimes equal to the PIRA's.
Close mindedness will get you killed.
being irish,
might be able to help here,
there are lot's of rules in the irish terrorist orginisations,
most of them are about subordination and secrecy, like all militery groups i suppose,
in regard to who you kill and who you don't, almost all terrrorist groups have a fairly public list of what they consider legit targets,
outside of that,if you get in the way, your considered collaterol.
i can't spell either,did ya notice
[edit on 12-5-2005 by pieman]
Originally posted by pieman
being irish,
might be able to help here,
there are lot's of rules in the irish terrorist orginisations,
most of them are about subordination and secrecy, like all militery groups i suppose,
in regard to who you kill and who you don't, almost all terrrorist groups have a fairly public list of what they consider legit targets,
outside of that,if you get in the way, your considered collaterol.
i can't spell either,did ya notice
[edit on 12-5-2005 by pieman]
Originally posted by deltaboy
u.tv...
news.independent.co.uk...
uk.news.yahoo.com...
its not excusable to kill a man at a bar.
Originally posted by Bikereddie
You mean mercenaries there don't you?
How do i mean mercenaries?
A mercenary is a soldier who fights, or engages in warfare primarily for money, with little regard for ideological, national or political considerations.
You answered your own question.
It does not matter to many soldiers who is wrong or right, if the cause is just or not, they will follow orders and kill whoever they are told to kill, so they can pick up their paycheck.
Nationalism is a false "consideration". Especially in the current war where the people being bombed never attack any of the countries involved in the conflict.
You are inside their heads, every last one of several million? How do you know what each of them thinks. Your statement is pure bias bull.
Originally posted by Bikereddie
Terrorist's are not an army, no matter how they see them selves. They are just cowards who stop at nothing ,nor think nothing of anyone who happens to be in the way when a bomb explodes, detonated by some mindless individual who has been brain washed into believing he will become a martyr.
Why is it bias bull? I don't pretend to know whats inside their heads. I only read about how they do things and try and understand the futility of their ways.
You are not there within their groups, you are no their when they are about to die, you are not ever there. So how do you know if they are brave or cowardice. Do you have enough "courage" to blow crap up over what you believe? Its bias and its bull man. The only thing you know, and you admit this is what you "read about", you admit this. Zero first hand knowledge, doesn't make you omniscient to the persona feelings and goals of so many people.
Originally posted by Bikereddie
You know what probably goes through some of their heads "Americans killed my father, my uncles, and my mother, they will pay"
So you obviously have more insight than most here then if you know that.
note I said "probably", because its an assumption, there are too many of them to ever
know what is going on in all their heads and make a blanket statement that they are all cowards with no care. They are typical soldiers: the end justifies the means.
Personally I don't support either side, its not my fight, and neither side is supporting my cause or my freedom, so F'em all.
Originally posted by Bikereddie
Maybe you could enlighten us as to just what is your cause and your freedom?
Would you be able to actually speak the above statement of "F*** em all" to a soldier who has been there and give your reasons too? Very much doubt it.
No British soldier has protected me. Don't even dream of it.
Originally posted by Legalizer
Did your son get paid for his actions there?
Did he give up his pay to do it "for freedom"?
No I'm sure he didn't, he did it because thats what he's paid to do.
Originally posted by Legalizer
Did he leave Iraq in worse shape than its been in three decades?
Yes he did
Originally posted by jayce
Quick note, the ones in iraq are no longer called "insurgents" becuase this states the iraqi'a cannot control there borders! so now they are actually terrorist from a offical point of view!