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Originally posted by Distortion
...espeically in america which bible belting right wingers.
Originally posted by Shenroon
Wot do the illuminarti and the NWO actually believe in. Is it just uniting everyone under one leader currnecy ect if so then i guess im one
Originally posted by Distortion
I mean maybe overthrowing society is a little rash, however if the illuminati do exist within our (american) government and other powerful institutions I for one emplore their efforts.
But after reading into the Illuminati their intentions are to enlighten the world through science and understanding of the universe.
Originally posted by Hunting Veritas
Emplore their efforts??? So millions die everyday due to the power hungry politicians, bankers and financial leaders and you emplore this???
Its not about enlightenment if they wanted the world to be enlightened wouldn't we live in a better place by now as "they" have been around for a very long time. The reason for this ignorance is so they may play chess with political leaders, pull strings here and then BAM wars, invasions, 3rd world debt, slavery, stock plunges, recessions, economic booms the list continues...
This is the price you pay when you let the banks and monetary systems create money out of thin air so they can pump more money and debt into society so when they pull the plug on the money the system collapses and people lose there jobs due to the companies becoming bankupt and those people have to try and find a way to live so the minority that are unable to obtain another job commit crime then inevitably go to prison they leave prison and they have to commit crime again because they have a criminal record and no one will hire him/her. This is what I like to call "The Money-go-round". The Federal Reserve, The Bank of England, The World Bank, The vatican these are the Illuminati centre of control no politics or laws can touch the people that are in control as they know what is going to happen next, they created the world what it is today known as the countries and nations which religions, cultures and traditions all made up buy the illuminated ones to give impressions one culture is bad and the other is good etc. so they may again play chess with the people of earth it is only when we decide to stop play the game the game will end and humanity will be at peace with itself and maybe other species of beings.
Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
I'm sorry, Distortion, you are from where?
You see, I state where I am from as I have nothing to hide, nor am I afraid.
What you seem to not realize is that "Bible-Belt" types formed this country, fought to secure this country, were the first president, first chief justice, etc.
God has historically been a big part in this country, and it wasn't until the late 50's that the anti-God movement kicked in. So, before you go slamming the "Bible-Belters" in this country, you might want to do some earnest research, and I don't mean going to a couple of web sites that support your particular slant, regardless of historical fact.
No, that being said, let's look at the idea of a One World Order, shall we? Would you like my concept?No, I suppose you wouldn't. Do you think I'd like your country's laws imposed upon me? If you say, "No", then you are a good guesser. So, who's concept do we use? Maybe, those who are in control of money and power and see us as chattel property? Well, it is they who are trying to form the NWO. Enjoy being a cow? Fine. Leave me out of your nightmare.
Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
I called you out in regard to the fact that I state I am from Alabama. You do not have that stated. As a matter of fact, you talk as if you are not even from the U.S.
Of course not. What it does mean is that the nation was founded on Christian ethics, morals and principles, and that this fact was even noted by the very one you attempt to use as evidence that Chrsitianity had nothing to do with our national foundation.
Science and religion is not mutually exclusive, friend. Many scientists have been and are religious. Most of your early scientists were believers in God, and many are today. Why do you assume that there is a fift between religion and science? Because the academia pushes Darwinism even though field researchers question it? I wouldn't base such an assertion on that. I am a Christian and I love science, and I push my son to soak the stuff up like a sponge.
Now, if we might, back to the core issue of NWO.
As I said, all people will not be unified under one style of government or way of life. Furhtermore, those who are pushing for a NWO are not doing it for any humanitarian reason, but for global domination.
There was a reason why the Tower of Babel was destroyed. A single rule, a single government, creates the atmosphere for the powerful to try and become like God, and without several governments throughout the world, there is no way to defeat tyranny.
Had there been one government in 1939, there would have been nobody to stop Hitler. If there is but one government, there'll be no defense from the next Hitler.
Also I dont see how the FED creates money out of thin air and create debt. Can you elaborate on this concept please?
Within two centuries they had become powerful enough to defy all but the Papal throne. Feared as warriors, respected for their charity and sought out for their wealth, there is no doubt that the Templar knights were the key players of the monastic fighting Orders. Due to their vast wealth and surplus of materials the Templars essentially invented banking, as we know it. The church forbade the lending of money for interest, which they called usury. The Templars, being the clever sort they were, changed the manner in which loans were paid and were able to skirt the issue and finance even kings.
They were destroyed, perhaps because of this wealth or fear of their seemingly limitless powers. In either case, the Order met with a rather untimely demise at the hands of the Pope and the King of France in 1307 and by 1314, "The Poor Fellow Soldiers of Christ and the Temple of Solomon" ceased to exist, at least officially.
Distortion
Just because somone doesn't believe in scriptures from thousands of years ago doesn't make someone anti-God. I believe in a God. I dont know what it is yet, and most likely never will. But I do not believe that people with practically no concept of the world around them deciphered the complexities of the universe.
Oh, and I have taken many courses in History, mostly in American history but also in Middle Age History and a theme that is recurrent thoughout history is that Religion has filled the gaps that science and reason do not understand. I am not saying that this is a bad thing, science and religion have the same objective, they're simply two seperate languages.
Originally posted by Hunting Veritas
So what exactly do they do to create money then??? Money must come from somewhere and the first place this started happening was just after the First crusade when the Knights Templar (who got EXTREMLY powerful) used to create money and charge interest (usery) even to monarchies this is how they became so powerful and also how the "modern" banking of today started.
Our ENTIRE world is based on debt and money without it all we would have is nothing except the comfort of others and the other inhabitants of planet earth with no money there could be no wars etc. etc.
Almost every political decision made is based on stocks, trades and profit margins and economical debate. You MUST delve deeper into history to find out where our race is going next.
no money=true freedom
Originally posted by Distortion
Originally posted by Hunting Veritas
So what exactly do they do to create money then??? Money must come from somewhere and the first place this started happening was just after the First crusade when the Knights Templar (who got EXTREMLY powerful) used to create money and charge interest (usery) even to monarchies this is how they became so powerful and also how the "modern" banking of today started.
The modern banking system was created in the middle ages because of rich Italian families such as the Medici's. Essentially, they had amassed so much wealth in gold that it was not safe to store it in their houses or whatever, so they hired goldsmiths to lock it up. This was because gold smiths knew how to protect their assets using vaults and what not. Eventually, these smiths realized that they had all this money sitting around in their bank and they could loan a portion of it out to other people. As long as they kept enough in their reserves so that if any of the rich people decided to take some gold out they could. This process has evolved, but is pretty much how our banking system works today.
Our ENTIRE world is based on debt and money without it all we would have is nothing except the comfort of others and the other inhabitants of planet earth with no money there could be no wars etc. etc.
Almost every political decision made is based on stocks, trades and profit margins and economical debate. You MUST delve deeper into history to find out where our race is going next.
You have to understand what money (cash) is. Its a bank note. It is worthless except for the fact that it is baked up by assests in our banking system. If we had no money our economy would be what is known to economists as a "barter economy" What this means is you have to trade good for good, there is no median.
For this to work you must have a mutual wants. What this means is if I grow nuts and i want X amount of berries, i have to find someone with X amount of berries and they have to want nuts in return. As you can see this system is very inefficent.
We have money for 3 reaons.
-Transaction purposes
-Precautionary insurance
-Speculative Purposes
no money=true freedom
Yeah I guess, then we could revert back to the stone age. Cool maybe we can go on more crusades like the middle ages or something. Kill people for no reason, excellent idea.
[edit on 10-5-2005 by Distortion]