Preparing your children to avoid the draft

Easy way out of draft.

Injuries, like back injuries.
Be a Republican.
Vote Democrat so one won't be issued.
Use mind control to change the orders of the Draft so the first to go are the ones who are related to th people voting for it. Not fair they can send your kid off to die for oil while theirs sits at home doing drugs/drinking and driving, so forth.(all of which Bush admitted to, the drugs and drinking)
Go to countries like Canada, or a country that has charged the President and Bunch of war mongers with War Crimes, like Japan.
Easiest, don't let someone steal the election so they can start the next crusade in the first place.

Originally posted by C0le
Raising the next generation of cowards... and people wonder why this country isnt what it once was, its full of a bunch of chicken # liberal pansies.

This is just stupid, raising your kids to hate war because you hate this war.... Noone will disagree that war is a last resort and is a bloody game, but what the hell is this country going to do 10-20-30 years down the road, when our country truely needs a draft, ww3 or a ww4 when all hell is breaking loose, and this country calls on these young men and women to defend our homeland.. but they wont go/fight because they have been so brainwashed by the liberals who think this country got to be the #1 country in the world without paying alot in blood...

You dont like the draft in situations such as to day, and this war/s thats fine, but dont raise your kids to be so anti-war that they will not defend our home in the future..

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Its stupid to raise your kids to hate war? Boy are you out of it.

No sane, moral person likes war. Only a sadistic, violent prick likes war. War is BAAAAAAAD. Sometimes, we must fight wars, because it is unavoidable. We do not fight wars because we like them. But your comments show a very sad lack of perspective.

If a person wants to raise their kids to be anti war, good for them. Being anti war doesnt mean you are against defending your country. And not everyone is suited to military life. Just because someone doesn't want to pick up a gun and shoot people does not make them unpatriotic and cowardly.

And for your information, the draft has never been needed. When this country was TRULY in danger and threatened, there was no need for a draft, because recruiters were overwhelmed with volunteers. It is only when our govornment started unecessary and questionable wars that the people objected to, did they have to force people to fight. And in those wars, we failed miserably. Vietnam comes to mind.

Just because a person does not like war does not mean they will not defend the country if its threatened. They simply have no desire to fight in wars that are not necessary to our survival, or necessary in general to our safety.

But everyone should be anti war, because we dont want to live in a country that starts wars. Evil leaders start wars with others, and we do not want to support evil leaders.

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
1.Its stupid to raise your kids to hate war? Boy are you out of it.

2.No sane, moral person likes war. Only a sadistic, violent prick likes war. War is BAAAAAAAD. Sometimes, we must fight wars, because it is unavoidable. We do not fight wars because we like them. But your comments show a very sad lack of perspective.

3.And for your information, the draft has never been needed. When this country was TRULY in danger and threatened, there was no need for a draft, because recruiters were overwhelmed with volunteers. It is only when our govornment started unecessary and questionable wars that the people objected to, did they have to force people to fight. And in those wars, we failed miserably. Vietnam comes to mind.

4.Just because a person does not like war does not mean they will not defend the country if its threatened. They simply have no desire to fight in wars that are not necessary to our survival, or necessary in general to our safety.

1. raising your kids to hate war because you hate this war

Meaning dont brainwash you child over this war, all wars are diff this one could make people biased towards wars that are needed for protection of our homeland.

2.Noone will disagree that war is a last resort and is a bloody game

I never said i liked wars did i?

3.but what the hell is this country going to do 10-20-30 years down the road, when our country truely needs a draft, ww3 or a ww4 when all hell is breaking loose


4.You dont like the draft in situations such as to day, and this war/s thats fine, but dont raise your kids to be so anti-war that they will not defend our home in the future..

/refers to 1.






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This is a great thread. Teach your children to be lying scoundrels. Embue them with yellow streak. Make them worthless parasites. Great find, curme.

Originally posted by SportyMB

but who does not serve in military/national guard/other federal service will not have right to vote. Simple and effective

That's a bad idea. Here's what would happen.
Someone gets in office and builds up a rapore or a liking with the Fed/Military community. Pay increase, better benefits, better housing.
and so on. So naturally the Fed/Mil community are mostly gonna vote for him cause he is making life better for them. Meanwhile he could be doing a crappy job with the civilian side of things. Social security, Healthcare, Education and so on. But the people (the same people our military protects) are defenseless and cannot vote. Even though 2 terms is the max he could change that and stay cool with military and stay in office.

Anyways, let's just say we have 2 million people that are military and or working for the federal gov't. Come on, give me a break, 2 million people voting for the entire US.

What about the people who can't join the Mil or FED" like people in wheelchairs or with disabilities that impair them from doing so?

That's like saying only people with 3.5 or above grade point averages in high school can go to college, cause they've earned the right. as you put it: Simple and effective

The DOD is Americas largest employer, it would be too bias of a vote.

You don't understand. That doesn't mean only the people who currently work for govt can vote. It would be more like this - every person must spend at least 1 year in military service/NG/coast guard/border patrol/FBI etc for low salary. Then they recieve the right to vote and can do what they want and work where they want. That doesn't mean only 2.5 mil. people will have the right to vote, all the people who were in military/federal service will have the right. Those who feel it's too much for them to serve 1 year for their country does not have right to vote and make political decisions IMO.

Originally posted by drogo


agree with heinlein? interesting that you think so.it was my understanding after reading the book and seeing the movie that he was makeing a statement on how wrong that would be. you can not alow only SOME PEOPLE TO VOTE. especialy when you would limmit those eligible to vote on whether or not you enlist in military service. all that would be achived by only alowing ex-military (remember that in this work, active personell were also not alowed to vote). is to make sure that war becomes a way of life. that would be very bad indeed. also the last line in i believe it was the movie, "mabe we shouldn't have attacked the bugs" or words to that effect. that seems to point out that that entire mess was CAUSED by warmongering due to only those being ex-military being alowed to vote.

This is BS Heinlein was not talking only about ex military. Read the book again. He said the people after the service have right to vote - and the SERVICE could be everything - military, scientist, law enforcement, work in social system, hospital etc. In fact he explicitely stated that everyone who wanted to spend 2 years in service (in the book) has RIGHT to do it and the feds MUST find appropriate position for him. That doesn't mean he must be in military, he just needs to give something to his country in order to deserve the full political rights, because many people today think they have only rights and no duties. It would be also not possible to discriminate the people because the must find the place for everyone who WANT to do it.


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"Preparing your children to avoid the draft"


Why would I do that? Thats cowardly and very illegal. I dont want my son to fight in any war, and certainly not an unjust war. But dodging a draft is a much worse situation.

For each person who dodges the draft, another will go in their place. And imagine dying because another "countrymen" was to scared to do thier natonal duty?

Draft dodgers should be hunted to the ends of the earth and hung.

I doubt there would be much support for this if the US limited it's warmaking to defensive wars. Unfortunately, most of the US's wars are against countries that represent little or no threat to the US. Afghanistan is the only war in recent memory where we were going after an enemy that had actually attacked the US - the rest were wars of choice.

I sure as hell don't want to see my nephew or my friends kids sent of to war to be killed "defending" Haliburton's right to make a quick buck, Bush and his loyal army of armchair tough guys' childish need to feel powerful, etc...

Guess I am not insecure enough about my masculinity that I think it's worth sending kids to die so I can get off on chanting "USA Number One!" as the US bravely bombs yet another puny defenseless poverty stricken Third World country into submission.

Empire is not a cause worth dying for, or sending others to die for. The Republic is, but how many of the US's wars since WW2 have been even remotely defensive in nature?

Here's a message to you rightwingers: despite your puffed up BS, not everyone who opposes these wars of choice is a pacifist. I for one am nothing remotely resembling a pacifist, I have a long and bitter experience with violence, and I know perfectly well I can and will kill when the people I care about are threatened. And right now the greatest threat to them is the fanatical Right right here at home. Not in Iran, or North Korea, or Venezuela.

[edit on 2-5-2005 by xmotex]

Originally posted by xmotex
I doubt there would be much support for this if the US limited it's warmaking to defensive wars. Unfortunately, most of the US's wars are against countries that represent little or no threat to the US. Afghanistan is the only war in recent memory where we were going after an enemy that had actually attacked the US - the rest were wars of choice.

The Iraq was threatening US although not directly. The hate propaganda could be very usefull threat. And in order to keep Sadam low, there was need to keep thousands of soldiers in SA and Gulf. That was the reason for war - to move the soldiers from SA to the Iraq (and then eventually back to home) in order to not longer have bases in muslim "Holy land". Remeber that was the main reason for Al-kaida attacks. Tha fact the Bush administartion failed to find nice looking causus beli and the post war chaos in Iraq is other question.

The Iraq was threatening US although not directly.

How the hell was Iraq "threatening" the US?
Iraq was a beaten country, with a broken military that was totally unable to defend Iraq, let alone threaten anyone else. The "WMDs" we supposedly went in to take out didn't exist. Saddam was a bastard, but he was contained. But he had all that oil...

Originally posted by xmotex

The Iraq was threatening US although not directly.

How the hell was Iraq "threatening" the US?
Iraq was a beaten country, with a broken military that was totally unable to defend Iraq, let alone threaten anyone else. The "WMDs" we supposedly went in to take out didn't exist. Saddam was a bastard, but he was contained. But he had all that oil...

nobody know wat was goin on with Iraq prior to invasion, we know Saddam use WMD years ago so we can't trust his words that they got rid of WMD because he was harrasing the inspectors, even Bill Clinton launch attacks on Saddam in 98 because he thought he was a threat.

if you want to avoid the draft go to Canada and don't come back.

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Everyone seems to be taking a page from clintons book, avoid the draft, "be liberal and just bend over and take it up the rear, thats why we liberals like gays, were just like them. why fight the invaders when you can just let them screw you, oh and your kids! and wives and daughters if you like that sort of thing" these are the kind of degenerates we in america refer to as liberals.

[edit on 2-5-2005 by Trustnone]

Bill Clinton launched strikes against Iraq to distract from his political problems at home. Don't give me the Clinton BS, I was no great fan of Clinton's either. Then again compared to what we're dealing with now, Clinton was a saint.

Saddam was playing games with the inspectors to bluff the Iranians, not because he actually had anything to hide. Voices in the CIA promoting this POV were purged, they were not telling the administration what it wanted to hear. Subsequent to the war, debriefings of Iraqi officials have proved it to be true, though that information is being concealed from the US public by the administration.

As far as avoiding the draft, I am too old for military service anyway, as I found out when I looked into signing up in September 2001. You see, if the US is actually attacked, I will be glad to put my ass on the line to defend it.

Unfortunately, wars like Iraq have little to do with "defending the US" and everything to do with the campaign for global domination by some very sick people currently infesting the US government.

why fight the invaders when you can just let them screw you, oh and your kids!

Pardon me for asking, but WHAT INVADERS?!?

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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
This is a great thread. Teach your children to be lying scoundrels. Embue them with yellow streak. Make them worthless parasites. Great find, curme.

So the Amish, Quakers, or anyone else who doesn't believe in war are yellow, lying, scoundrel parasites? I guess with freedom of religion comes to freedom to hate religion. Freedom of speech comes with the freedom to use hate speech. There was a time in the US when people respected what others believed, but I guess we live in a "you're either just like me, or you are against me" USA now.

I don't think people should raise thier kids worshiping any gods, but I don't hate them for raising thier kids based upon thier belief system. I thought that was what the USA as about?

WHAT INVADERS! Last invaders were what? Mexico in the Mexican American War?

Also, in WWII the draft wasn't really needed, why? Because there was a reason to fight, our friends and allies were in trouble, someone was trying to take over the world, and we were ATTACKED! by Japan.

Since then we weren't attacked, until Afganistan and Saudi Arabia attacked us, so we attacked Afganistan and Saudi Arabia, wait, no, we attacked Afganistan and Iraq????

How the hell was he a threat? The only WMDs he had WERE GIVEN TO HIM BY BUSH SR!!!!! And unless one were to strap a bomb on their back and swim over here, no way to attack us.

I swear, how the mindless zombies of the right think, or don't think, is amazing. "Gee, I like killing 100,000 civillians for oil. Gee, I think sending our men and women over to die for oil is great! Gee, I am glad I can't get drafted, bring the draft!"

Afganistan and Saudi Arabia attacked us, how the hell did we end up in Iraq? WMDS! None. Saddam bad! Saudi Arabia Royalty 10x worse. Iraq was a threat! Iraq wasn't, Saudi Arabia was, and still is for they are allowed to come over and make out with the president in the middle of a flower garden.

people, you seem to be under the impression that america is impregnable, and that no one in the world would try to invade us, The fact is if we turn our heads and ignore this it may not be long that these people will be in our country,the whole reason were trying to seal the borders, and this is where i disagree with bush, is to prevent them from doing this in our neighborhoods etc. have you forgotten that the terrorists got on the planes here in the US.

BTW I was not refering to clintons presidency, during the vietnam war he went to england to doge the draft.

and i am not saying the reasons for iraq were not trumped up, we, the right, as you label us just want you to see that your badmouthing doesn't help.

your blowing things way of portion we havent even killed 1/4 the numbers of "civilians" you say we did. Thats with americans,terrorist, and civilians COMBINED!
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"Gee, I am glad I can't get drafted, bring the draft!"

How do you figure this? I am of the age to be drafted, I am registered with Selective Services(thats what it's called by the way) and I still support the war.
I just dont whine and cry, "oh, i could be drafted!" and piss my pants scared like you do.

[edit on 2-5-2005 by Trustnone]

I have seen quite a few people on thsi thread who are obviosly parents or close to being parents.
I must say, there are quite a few opinions here.....but one thing I have rarely seen, is the actual opinion of a "child" or person who would be introduced the draft.

I wonder what they would say about it.

Yep - lets ask a child what do they think about North Korean and Iranian Nuclear aspirations - whether its worth dying for. Its a good job probably the most selfish and egotistical demographic arent making more important decisions than whether they want sprite or coke with their happy meal.

Sometimes people on an individual basis are incapable of making rational decisions. Its the prisoners dilemma - an individual would be motivated to shirk any possible military service hoping that everyone else will go. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out what would happen on the aggregate scale if everyone took this personally rational position.

Nobody wants to die during military service but if everyone took this selfish view there would be no military and no defence of our way of life and morals.

Originally posted by xmotex

How the hell was Iraq "threatening" the US?
Iraq was a beaten country, with a broken military that was totally unable to defend Iraq, let alone threaten anyone else. The "WMDs" we supposedly went in to take out didn't exist. Saddam was a bastard, but he was contained. But he had all that oil...

What Iraq was doing was deploying and developing delivery systems that undermined the security of troops in Turkey and in the longer term mainland Europe.