formerly unknown Chinese aircraft projects !!!

I just found these pictures at the Key-forum (posted by Hyperwarp)
Does anyone know what planes these are !! I can identify some J-8B's
hanging above them ... but (from right to left) a a J-7,
a F-108/MiG-25-like fighter, a Space-plane carrier,
a delta winged fighter (maybe J-9) and two also unknown projects !!!

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www.centurychina.com...

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Does anyone know where these pictures are taken ????

Any other thoughts ????


Deino


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they were taken in a chinese aviation museum...

that's as far as I know

all i see are mig-21 copy, su-15 copy, mig-25 copy, and another mig-21 copy.

Originally posted by Hellraiser
all i see are mig-21 copy, su-15 copy, mig-25 copy, and another mig-21 copy.

lol, china is sure good at copying well, pretty much everything lol

You call a bunch of toy models unknown aircraft projects?

If I make some models out of Styrofoam and post their pictures are you going to call them unknown U.S. aircraft projects?





West Point, Out.

Its from an aviation museum, so the aircrafts must have basis to actually be put into an aviation museum.

Since your so sure its based on something real why don't you go and find me some proof.

Find some proof on some of your supposed black projects, you can't can you. Although that isn't all Chinese, there is a proposed Russian fighter bomber on there, and there seems to be a spaceshuttle on top of somekind of aircraft, I don't think China is currently planning to construct a space shuttle. There is one aircraft that doesn't match anything I've ever seen.

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I see models not aircraft - or maybe yet another "indigenous" chinese design.



Much like many of the models/cgi knockups of their western couterparts. China is 50 years behind in the innovation and creativity stakes.

I don't need hard proof to believe in our “Black Projects” I have history on my side, and history shows us that the USAF has over the last half century develop numerous projects unknown at the time.
Some models are based on future planes or concept, they don't have to be based on real aircrafts.

Originally posted by Vanguard
I see models not aircraft - or maybe yet another "indigenous" chinese design.



Much like many of the models/cgi knockups of their western couterparts. China is 50 years behind in the innovation and creativity stakes.

Im sure you know the pic you posted is of the russian space shuttle and the russian An-225. No chinese influence whatsoever..

And just because they're models doesn't mean they're NEW UNHEARD of PROJECTS..
Jeez can't museums have models anymore..
Just plain and simple models..
They could be from any country..


I see a pattern of anti-chinese posts here..
Certain posters (IMO american) paranoid of chinese developments frek out and start threads on supposedly black chinese projects while other (again american ) posters immediately debunk everything and ridicule the chinese for copying..

Its a classic case of inner fears coupled with external display of bravado..
childish... 9/11 PTS is it??!..
Go see your school counsellors then!! or grow up!

amerikanske.. amerikanske..

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I am well aware of its country of origin - thats exactly why i posted that pic - Russia is their main source of "indigenous" technology.

BTW - im not going to reply to your condescending and witty retort - all im going to say is that India are even further behind China on the innovation and creativity ladder.

Oh you would say that now wouldn't you..
What else can you say..


And whom do we 'Indians' copy now..
The british??


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I see your fishing on all the sites Deino. Good work. Do you think the front ones may be the old J-13? I've seen images of it with lateral and chin intakes.

Model airplanes in a museum don't have to be based on real aircrafts, they can be like I said concept planes or just model airplanes made to resemble future projects perhaps.
There is no paranoia here just trying to tell people that model’s don't equal real projects.

I tend to agree that those are just concept models, I wouldn't assume that they represent anything close to production.

China has been looking at reusable shuttles for quite a while. The influential Chinese scientist Tsien Hsue-shen first proposed a spaceplane in 1949 while living in the US, an idea that led to the DynaSoar project.

Later in 1978, a Tsien design very similar to DynaSoar was considered. Most recently a small shuttle was looked at as a late stage of Project 921, China's current manned spaceflight program. It's referred to as Project 921-3 but is apparently in a very preliminary stage.

Originally posted by balrog
I see your fishing on all the sites Deino. Good work. Do you think the front ones may be the old J-13? I've seen images of it with lateral and chin intakes.

Thanks for Your kind words ... and I have to tell some other guys here that I true don't believe that these are real projects, future secret planes …. As I was told so far, these are models from a SAC display and / or design proposals from 611 institute !

By the way I think this completely useless discussion like “Chinese do only copy aircraft” … “Indians do not” … “Indians do copy too … !” … all Bull# which will led to nothing but bad words

That all led me to the conclusion that these models show all projects which were studied by SAC/ 611 institute for some time – maybe during the late 1960-1980 - … which were later abandoned or cancelled … and only the J-8I/J-8II which are flying over the other models ever reached real hardware status.

Deino

Hmm if China were to have black projects it would probably have been much easier to keep them secret. State controlled media.

Originally posted by WestPoint23
Model airplanes in a museum don't have to be based on real aircrafts, they can be like I said concept planes or just model airplanes made to resemble future projects perhaps.
There is no paranoia here just trying to tell people that model’s don't equal real projects.

Okay.. fair enough.. For once we agree..


Here's to more "agreements"..

Yeah, those aren't models of planes close to production but as they said those could be planes proposed and that would be a basis for the model to be produced wouldn't it?