Would you KILL to protect your family?

my nextdoor nieghbor almost got killed by a 9 mm coming from the upstairs apt. be carefull what you use.
I prefer a shotgun myself.

Originally posted by Illmatic67
I bet you people couldn't even handle the kickback of an AR-15. You'll end up shooting at the sky.

Yes, sure.... It seem you never used the 5.56 mm, isn't it ?

Originally posted by dragonrider

Considering that modern residential housing is only a sparse 2x4 stud and 1/2 inch thick drywall, yeah, .223 will go through it, at least at point blank range. Indeed, the Israelis with thier new Tovar assault rifle understood this problem and the unintended casualties, so they are ressurecting the ancient .30 carbine round... Because of less penetration.

1/2 inch thick drywall ????????? What kind of house is it ??????? I never saw such a house. My drywalls are 6 inch thick and the external walls are 10 inch thick. 5.56, or even 7.62 will not go through my walls. You would have to have a 12.7 mm.

[Edited on 28-7-2003 by ultra_phoenix]

Well, we'll get Colonel to give FM mouth-to-mouth until the ambulance gets there.


duh!!!!

Besides, my gran-pappy always said...

Never bring a scroll to a gunfight, son.

Originally posted by Valhall
Well, we'll get Colonel to give FM mouth-to-mouth until the ambulance gets there.


duh!!!!

Valhall

Mistress of the non-sequitur.

I understand.

Will everyone else?

How do your lips feel after that?

Originally posted by MaskedAvatar
dragonrider

A short leap in time.

A gathering of ATS people in the midwest, some heretofore unknown to you, you're grilling.

Some maniac (not me or anyone I care to suggest) under provocation has started showing aggressive, almost violent tendencies in support of some conspiracy argument. Reaches behind back and appears to be pulling something out of holster or rear of pants...

What do you do?

After you've done what you've done, you find out it is a facsimile of an ancient scroll of some sort.

What do you do now?

Thought I might inject it here rather than on the ATS Convention thread...

A very good question, one that they work on at Thunder Ranch. There have been more than a few fatalities from situations similar to what you describe, which is very much a shame. However, in that situation, you go from self defence to homicide in a split second.

It is a judgement call, and one you can only make in the split second that you see events unfolding in front of you. There are a number of small predictors you are trained to look for, but its a moot point to bring them up. Suffice to say, if I felt uncomfortable to the point of worrying about physical safety at such a gathering, either I or the other person would not be there.

Like this...



But also, I wanted to throw in that there would probably be a number of fine, upstanding ATS members that would be more than willing to keep the ancient scroll under their protective custody, until FM got to feeling better at least.

dragonrider, Valhall

Good, caring responses about the people (and the scroll).

I have no visions of homicidal maniacs at ATS, at the same time as having a vested interest in my personal security.

Same as for anyone lining up an 'internet date' I guess!

For those who are really honestly serious about learning how to take care of yourself and your family, I HIGHLY recommend this place...

thunderranchinc.com...

Followed by this place...

www.gunsite.net...

Originally posted by MaskedAvatar
dragonrider, Valhall

Good, caring responses about the people (and the scroll).

I have no visions of homicidal maniacs at ATS, at the same time as having a vested interest in my personal security.

Same as for anyone lining up an 'internet date' I guess!

*Reminding myself not to ask Masked Avatar for an internet date*

Originally posted by MaskedAvatar

Same as for anyone lining up an 'internet date' I guess!

If I go to the ATS Amsterdam meeting, I'll be armed to the teeth. A mini-uzi, a Colt pistol 9 mm, many clips and probably 1 or 2 handgrenade and a commando knife. Hey, may be that Zion Mainframe is a psychopath who want to kill us all. Who knows ?

Originally posted by ultra_phoenix
If I go to the ATS Amsterdam meeting, I'll be armed to the teeth. A mini-uzi, a Colt pistol 9 mm, many clips and probably 1 or 2 handgrenade and a commando knife. Hey, may be that Zion Mainframe is a psychopath who want to kill us all. Who knows ?

**Reminding myself not to ask UP for an internet date.**

Originally posted by Valhall

**Reminding myself not to ask UP for an internet date.**

Valhall, if you ask me for an internet date, you'll be safe.
I'm a gentleman you know. A well armed gentleman, of course, but still a gentleman.

er.. I just wanted to poiimt put that I put up this post to call "B.S." on the liberals NOT to get anybody DATING...
PEACE...
m...

Looks like some people might have called B.S. on your post?!

So far MaskedAvatar and Ultra_Phoenix can't get a date because they are either too security-conscious or they go under the guise of heavily armed gentlemen.

Originally posted by MaskedAvatar
Looks like some people might have called B.S. on your post?!

So far MaskedAvatar and Ultra_Phoenix can't get a date because they are either too security-conscious or they go under the guise of heavily armed gentlemen.

Dont know, I go as a heavily armed gentleman, and I do just fine with dates

Originally posted by Springer
er.. I just wanted to poiimt put that I put up this post to call "B.S." on the liberals NOT to get anybody DATING...

PEACE...
m...

Yeah, but I'd date you in a heart beat...grrrrrrr.


because I think you've got a cute little poiimt put ...grrrrrr
[Edited on 29-7-2003 by Valhall]

[Edited on 29-7-2003 by Valhall]

Originally posted by ultra_phoenix
Hey, may be that Zion Mainframe is a psychopath who want to kill us all. Who knows ?

Keep in mind that my favorite actor is Clint Eastwood

h-ah, I know what you're thinking punk. You're thinking did he fire six shots or only five? And to tell you the truth I've forgotten myself in all this excitement. But being this is a .44 Magnum - the most powerful hand gun in the world and will blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself a question--Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya punk!

So Zion Mainframe, you think that I'm a punk ? Now you can be sure, I'll come armed to the teeth and the heart full of revenge. Your countdown has started.

I don't think people called BS on this question. Of course, by and large the responders to this stated they would protect their families from harm.

Thinking about this issue every once in a while, IMHO, is a worthy effort because it gets us to think about what it would be like if we COULDn't protect our families. And I just don't ever want to be there, really, I don't.