Room Temp. Superconductors

For those who are unaware, a superconductor is a material that has zero electrical resistance, enableing an electric charge to pass through it without energy loss and theoreticaly last forever.

However, the only superconductors we have today require being constantly super cooled by either liquid Helium (very rare and hard to make) or liquid Nitrogen (but only newer and more expensive Superconductors can work in the relatively warm temperature)

But there is hope, scientists theorize that sometime in the next 50 years it may be possible to create superconductors that can work at room temperature. If this were to happen it would revolutionize the electronics industry, all appliances could be made 100% effecient and computers of unprecidented speed and power could be built.

So I was wondering what you have to say on the subject. Comments, critisisims or mabie your own theories on superconductivity, I think it is a very facinating subject but I have never seen a thread on the topic, so I've made one

Look forward to your replies

I predict that within a year to a year and a half we will have room temperature superconductors. They will ofcourse change many things, but then again most of the things that are coming will.

Scientists have invented the worlds smallest "refrigerator" (not what you think) it cools an object to around -450 kelvin. that could be used to keep superconductors cold.

not technically a room temperature one or permanent but it is a way around it, more of a cheat as it will stay a superconducter more or less until you turn it off.

Originally posted by Shadow88
it cools an object to around -450 kelvin.

Uh no it doesn't you cannot get below 0 kelvin, you're thinking of a different measurement. It can take it down to 100 MilliKelvin above Absolute Zero. 0 Kelvin being Absolute Zero fyi the point where all movement stops(and is also impossible to reach according to the Uncertainty Principal)

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OOOPS you are completely right i didnt mean that i meant -495F ok

well room tempreture fusion has just been achieved, so im guessing room temp superconductors will be here very soon

uhuh, room temperature fusion? got a link? Remember, cold fusinon isnt cold, its just a bit cooler than normal fusion, still several million degrees celcius...

Fraser

How about Monoatomic gold which this material are Room Temperature Superconductor that has been around for Millenia, but suppressed in favor of similar material that requires far more research and money.

Yeah, I agree with the post above mine. I've heard of ORMUS materials for awhile now. They are Monatomic elements found in nature or created with chemistry that are often super conducive or magnetic at room temp. And as also stated, these seem to have been around quite awhile. Just a bit more of that "newly discovered" tech that predates our ability to to understand we are stupid compared to people of the past.

reply to post by Mabus the Forsaken


Appliances will not be 100% efficient!

All that would happen is the "copper" losses (resistance) will drop to zero. "Iron" losses (hysteresis) will remain and hysteresis accounts for much more loss than resistance. Not to mention friction.

Some scientists believe that room temperature superconductors will never become a reality but I disagree and 50 years is a reasonable timeframe. Current superconductors are made from ceramics and are brittle, not at all ductile or malleable like copper so that would be an obstacle to overcome when designing any electrical machine utilising superconductors.

One interesting phenomenon displayed by superconductors is levitation. At this point I believe scientists aren't quite sure what causes it. Room temperature superconductors would make this phenomenon easier to study and utilise.

reply to post by Cross8712


I was really interested in ORMEs for a while. As it turns out, it all seems to be a load of rubbish (at least most of it, the good bits!) and that David Whatshisname is not the most honest guy around if you get my drift. It all certainly sounded good though!

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Just a guess but I don't think we will see real room temperature superconductors until we manage to make single layer graphene conductors and semi-conductors.

Graphene has a current carrying capability far higher than any other known material afaik and is not at all brittle.

I have often wondered about the supposed memory metal found at Roswell, which many have since believed was Nitenol (Nickel Titanium alloy). I have wondered if it contained a graphene layer as graphene would be just as flexible as Nitenol.

reply to post by Mabus the Forsaken


You would be surprised at the viewpoints of the DoD and NASA on this...

....a superconducting material can be used in space with no issue. Just about any superconducting material becomes superconducting in space.

I know, i know...but it is something to keep in mind when reading through the tech. manuals on this stuff.

Originally posted by Cross8712
Yeah, I agree with the post above mine. I've heard of ORMUS materials for awhile now. They are Monatomic elements found in nature or created with chemistry that are often super conducive or magnetic at room temp. And as also stated, these seem to have been around quite awhile. Just a bit more of that "newly discovered" tech that predates our ability to to understand we are stupid compared to people of the past.

This can be better when ORMUS Materials are Mixed with Nanotubes like carbon nanotube for giving it structural integrity

Will we see Intercontinental Mag-levs trains ?

Would this make them appreciatively cheaper ?

Originally posted by UmbraSumus
Will we see Intercontinental Mag-levs trains ?

Would this make them appreciatively cheaper ?

Yes

Originally posted by Mabus the Forsaken
For those who are unaware, a superconductor is a material that has zero electrical resistance, enableing an electric charge to pass through it without energy loss and theoreticaly last forever.

However, the only superconductors we have today require being constantly super cooled by either liquid Helium (very rare and hard to make) or liquid Nitrogen (but only newer and more expensive Superconductors can work in the relatively warm temperature)

But there is hope, scientists theorize that sometime in the next 50 years it may be possible to create superconductors that can work at room temperature. If this were to happen it would revolutionize the electronics industry, all appliances could be made 100% effecient and computers of unprecidented speed and power could be built.

So I was wondering what you have to say on the subject. Comments, critisisims or mabie your own theories on superconductivity, I think it is a very facinating subject but I have never seen a thread on the topic, so I've made one

Look forward to your replies

For what it is worth, Although I "do not have a link for you" that technology is suppressed and should have been out on the market a long time ago.

Originally posted by Sigma
I predict that within a year to a year and a half we will have room temperature superconductors. They will ofcourse change many things, but then again most of the things that are coming will.

People predicted room temperature superconductors were right around the corner decades ago and here we are no closer, and predicting even further in the future, like 50 years!

Someday it may be possible.

Too bad the moon doesn't really have a dark side that never sees the sun, if it did we could build a giant collider without having to cool the superconductors. We could put solar panels on the sunlit side and pipe the energy needed over to the dark side.

Originally posted by OZtracized
I was really interested in ORMEs for a while. As it turns out, it all seems to be a load of rubbish (at least most of it, the good bits!) and that David Whatshisname is not the most honest guy around if you get my drift. It all certainly sounded good though!

as far as superconductivity is concerned, you're probably right - i haven't looked into that part of it enough to say for sure but since it hasn't flown, it might not have any validity.

HOWEVER, ORME's have another intrigue, related to the ancient art of alchemy and metaphysics.

DID HUDSON FIND THE PHILOSOPHER'S STONE?

Since ancient Egyptian times, alchemists have worked in secret to produce something called the Philosopher's Stone, or the Elixir of Life. The materials that Hudson and other researchers have found are believed to be related to the Philosopher's Stone. The materials have been called ORMEs, monoatomic gold, white gold, white powder gold, ORMUS, m-state, AuM, microclusters, and manna.

David Hudson calls the materials he found Orbitally Rearranged Monoatomic Elements or ORMEs. He also refers to them as monoatomic elements in a high-spin state.

Since Hudson has patented his process for obtaining and identifying these elements, we would like to suggest that the terms ORMUS and m-state be used when referring to this state of matter.

The ORMUS or m-state materials are thought to be the precious metal elements in a different atomic state. The following elements have been identified in this different state of matter (these elements, with the exception of mercury, are listed in Hudson's patents):

source

this is also known as "white gold" and has been called "the food of the gods" because it is believed that it was ingested in ancient times, creating the difference between now and then - now being devoid of "magic" and then being all about "magic."

part of that magic was levitation.
so maybe there is something to the superconductivity issue, just not in the same way, or manner, as thought.

another link

ORME

The ORME -- related to Star Fire, and also known as The Philosopher’s Stone, the Elixir of Life, the White Powder of Gold, Ma-na or Manna -- is also an acronym for “Orbitally Rearranged Monoatomic Elements”. The phrase was coined by David Radius Hudson, who has done an enormous amount of research on the subject (of which he has in turn shared with thousands of others). The word ORME -- perhaps coincidentally, or perhaps not -- is the same as the Hebrew word which means: the “Tree of Life”.

The ORME represents a huge subject area, involving state-of-the-art chemistry, physics, and physiology, interpretations of Sumerian, Egyptian and other histories (the Anunnaki, Gods and Goddesses of the Ancient World, the Adams Family, “Prime Directive” Violations, Chronicles of Earth, etc), philosophy, Sacred Geometry, the Tree of Life and Ha Qabala -- to name only the more obvious connections. In many respects, the ORME is the connecting link between all of these subjects -- as well as a whole list of other subjects not mentioned.

very interesting about the word meaning Tree of Life in Hebrew!

i wish i could get my hands on some! what a fun diet supplement.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
You would be surprised at the viewpoints of the DoD and NASA on this...

....a superconducting material can be used in space with no issue. Just about any superconducting material becomes superconducting in space.

I know, i know...but it is something to keep in mind when reading through the tech. manuals on this stuff.

yes, that is what i understand, too - that the problems with superconductivity on Earth are just that, on Earth problems. out of atmosphere into the cold non-gravitational inertia of space...superconductivity is the norm.