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Originally posted by Mirthful Me
To infer that there is greed in the hearts of Freemasons ignores the charity extended worldwide by Masonic organizations. The depth and breadth of which is unparalleled. Do the detractors and critics of Freemasonry have edifices devoted to helping others? 22 hospitals (these would be the Shriner's Hospitals) for the completely free care of orthopaedic, burn and spinal defect care? Hospices for cancer patients? Charitable kitchens and shelters for the homeless? Homes for the aged and disabled. Reading programs for children and adults, ocular and otological (that would be eye and ear) programs for people with impairments. And finally the everyday extension of goodwill within the community that goes without sign or herald, the decency of helping our fellow man... That's our secret. All these projects are funded out of the pockets of six million men worldwide, no government aid, no Ponzi schemes, just hard work and generosity.
I don't believe that ASE is being attacked, merely refuted, "his" (actually someone else’ s) arguments and points being exposed for what they are (the same stuff I threw at visitors when I was a Zoo Monkey... A less than stellar moment in my "career path").
Originally posted by Muzzleflash
If you were truely charitable
you would offer me a job lol
Originally posted by muzzleflash
i have no clue
Originally posted by Eyeofhorus
Freemasonry is an odd natured beast. I am pretty confident that no one can really know what happens in the upper eschilon of freemasonry, except for those who have been through it. And I'm guessing they're not in any hurry to divulge their secrets.
Originally posted by sebatwerk
Originally posted by All Seeing Eye
Dont get your undies in a bunch. Think this out, new concept. Open your mind and consider the possibilties, that maybe, just maybe, thier might be a satanists or two in masonry that are giving you guys a bad name. after all, its your dogma that let them in, and your dogma that protects them.
Do you even KNOW what a true "Satanist" is? How many REAL satanists do you think there really are in the world?!? Satanism is not as prevalent as you might like to make people think...
Originally posted by senrak
Sorry you think the Masons should stop having secrets.....apparently you haven't awakened to the fact that there really ARE NO Masonic secrets....except the ones we hold in our hearts....and those secrets can't be put into words...so I guess you're s.o.l. there.
Originally posted by sebatwerk
And the ONLY secrets that Freemasons contain are their modes of recognition and the details of the rituals. THAT'S IT!!!
[edit on 1-5-2005 by sebatwerk]
Originally posted by mobhitmusic
THE "LAVEYIST": The Ones who screwed it up for all of them, The Destroy the church, Sacrifice things, Sell your soul to the Devil. They preach all that, but I do give them this much, they at least sort kinda follow the original plus all the extras.
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So if your reading Lavey's "Satanic Bible" as guidlines STOP!
Originally posted by sebatwerk
Originally posted by Eyeofhorus
Freemasonry is an odd natured beast. I am pretty confident that no one can really know what happens in the upper eschilon of freemasonry, except for those who have been through it. And I'm guessing they're not in any hurry to divulge their secrets.
And the ONLY secrets that Freemasons contain are their modes of recognition and the details of the rituals. THAT'S IT!!!
:bnghd:
[edit on 1-5-2005 by sebatwerk]
Originally posted by Eyeofhorus
Still these are secrets. They are not to be divulged, whatever is said and done within a ritual, is secret, and not for non masons or the profane. Also, unless you have been through all the degrees of blue lodge masonry (1-3) and the other(4-33) degrees offered in scottish rite masonry, the truth is you have no clue what secrets they hold.
Maybe they are completely unimportant, but then why should they be secrets.
One thing I noticed is that the masons are on a sworn quest to seek the truth. This is a huge symbolism in masonry. It seems anti-pragmatic to think that someone who has been in masonry thier whole life would trust an organization such as religion.
Pike's book (Morals and Dogma) to me is nothing more than a unified philosophy of the freemasons, and some detail into their ritual. Albert pike was proficient in archaic languages such as latin, aramaic, hebrew. This man was pretty brilliant, and his text nye represents the true capabilities of his understanding.
But why is is that you must first go through blue lodge masonry to enter into the next level of freemasonry.
Considering the luciferian conspiracy, was started by a former freemason who later recants his story completely. Saying things like Pike had a bracelet that supposedly allowed him to confer with the devil himself. Why does he do this? And who are the people making the accusations? Im guessing it is the church.
I'd be more likely to think that christianity's ties to paganism would suggest that it is the satanist organization. But that is just my honest opinion.