Historical evidence of UFOs

I was searching the web for evidence of UFOs this is one of the things that came up

776 AD - As the Saxons were laying seige to Charlemagne's castle at Sigiburg, flying shields appeared and rained down fire on the attacking army
840 AD - Agobard, Archbishop of Lyon's, France, mentioned that the people believed in a place in the sky called "Magonia", and that people traveled through the skies in cloud ships He wrote that he prevented a crowd from stoning to death three men and a women who supposedly came from one of these ships.
1034 AD - a book called "Liber Chronicarum" from 1493 records that in 1034 a spherical object with fire shooting from both ends was seen over Europe.
1200 AD - William of Newburgh wrote of a slivery, disc-shaped object that appeared near an abbey in England.
1290 AD - The monks at Byland Abbey in Yorkshire, England saw a similar disk.
1461 AD - An object like an iron rod with fire shooting from it was seen over Arras, France.

found on ufos.about.com...

Interesting stuff, the question then becomes 'How many are actual events, and how many are just making use of the idea?'.

One such real event would leave such an impression that the story would linger for many many years making it possible for others to pick up on it for their own tales.

Of course the descriptions are going to be interesting since the people of the time had so little reference points to use in comparison.

If you find any good ways to sort them it could turn into a rich area of study.

A.T
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The most interesting things are those noted in the bible, and in ancient drawings IMO..

xfacts.com...

Check this out.

Hey Centrixinal,

Please don't be fooled by that crap. The author of that site is horribly misinterpreting the paintings. If you ever take an art history course and learn about symbolism, style, time period, etc you would understand that quickly. Take some classes if you can and pick up a few art books and you will learn what the artists were doing.

Here is a site that will help
www.sprezzatura.it...


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[edit on 24-4-2005 by andpau66]

No insult intended, but the things in the christian bible are probably the least likely to be original. Most of what is there, in the historical sense as well as the core ideas, are borrowed from elsewhere.


A.T
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Umm, looks like flying disks in some of those pictures to me. Looks like beams of light coming from flying saucers to me. People still see flying disks to this day.

Troy

Looks and sounds like UFO's to me, but remember people back then still had over active imaginations as well, not everything they wrote down was fact.

Friend pointed out to me for the link xfacts.com... look at the picture of moses getting the commandments. Is it just us two or does moses seem to have yellow horns? Could be a helmet....could actually be horns....

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Originally posted by andpau66
Hey Centrixinal,

Please don't be fooled by that crap. The author of that site is horribly misinterpreting the paintings. If you ever take an art history course and learn about symbolism, style, time period, etc you would understand that quickly. Take some classes if you can and pick up a few art books and you will learn what the artists were doing.

Here is a site that will help
www.sprezzatura.it...


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[edit on 24-4-2005 by andpau66]

just out of curiosity, how exactly would you interpret this painting?



[edit on 24-4-2005 by deaf fences hit]

deaf fences hit
That's a UFO! Or maybe he's traveling in God's kindness....or some other christian answer that you'd be given

if these pictures are hundreds of years old, wouldent the appearance of the ufo's change with technology? hence making that ufo an earlyer type or "model" than the disk shaped ones we see today...i dont know, just an idear. If he is misinterpreting the paintings andpau66, how is it that you would?

Originally posted by 2012timofy
if these pictures are hundreds of years old, wouldent the appearance of the ufo's change with technology? hence making that ufo an earlyer type or "model" than the disk shaped ones we see today...i dont know, just an idear. If he is misinterpreting the paintings andpau66, how is it that you would?

Question is would they NEED to change it?

Consider... The hammer. How has it changed through the ages? Not much. Its new materials, but the design is nearly identical to what it was 2000 years ago. How likely is it that we change the design of the hammer in the comming years?

Not to mention the fact there are like 15116 different UFO shapes reported.

The original poster forgot to mention that old Egyptian sighting though, one of the first recorded. So many UFO's it would qualify as an invasion

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interesting, do u have a link or something for that? i think the most notable of what has been perceived as a UFO is in the bible in revelations somewhere where it says that the new jerusalem decended down from the heavens and its measurements were the same - lenght, height. and it didnt need light, it was lighted by the light of God. None of that is exactly how it goes in the bible its of the top of my head, but its all in there check it out.

Originally posted by deaf fences hit

Originally posted by andpau66
Hey Centrixinal,

Please don't be fooled by that crap. The author of that site is horribly misinterpreting the paintings. If you ever take an art history course and learn about symbolism, style, time period, etc you would understand that quickly. Take some classes if you can and pick up a few art books and you will learn what the artists were doing.

Here is a site that will help
www.sprezzatura.it...



[edit on 23-4-2005 by andpau66]

[edit on 24-4-2005 by andpau66]

just out of curiosity, how exactly would you interpret this painting?



[edit on 24-4-2005 by deaf fences hit]

Read the site explanation...I think it was something about the sun and the moon

I never saw these ones explanied though, would be interesting

I think a lot of the old cases are pretty fascinating. I don't think they prove anything about UFO's being spaceships or advanced technology or anything. They do help to show that mankind has been seeing strange things in the sky for 1000's of years.

Please don't be fooled by that crap. The author of that site is horribly misinterpreting the paintings. If you ever take an art history course and learn about symbolism, style, time period, etc you would understand that quickly. Take some classes if you can and pick up a few art books and you will learn what the artists were doing.

Having an extensive art history background myself, I've looked at just about every piece of artwork allegedly depicting UFOs I could find, and there are many that simply defy any normal symbolism, etc. that can be inferred, and genuinely seem to depict UFOs.

As for ancient accounts, I wouldn't trust ancients on reliably reporting unidentified aerial phenomenon. Much of their judgement was tainted with incredible superstition. Still, there are some interesting accounts that lead one to wonder.....

Originally posted by deaf fences hit
just out of curiosity, how exactly would you interpret this painting?



[edit on 24-4-2005 by deaf fences hit]

deaf fences hit,
Of course your going to be confused by the image. Heck, 90 percent of the painting isn't even there! How can you possibly understand what the artist what trying to paint if you can't even see the whole thing.

The only thing you do is you automatically (sometimes not even knowing) think of stuff to relate the object too. You say to yourself.. wow, man in fly object..thats not a plane.... oh my god... alien in UFO. False!

If you knew about the artist, style, time is was painted, and what the whole thing looked like and what it was depicting (crucifixion). With a bit of research you would have found out that artists represented the sun and moon with human attributes. Its symbolism and artistic styles at the time.

[edit on 24-4-2005 by andpau66]

Originally posted by Phood
I never saw these ones explanied though, would be interesting

Phood,
What artist did those paintings? What time period? After you find that out just research how the artist painted and if you can.. see what the artist actually said about the paintings himself. That would be a good way to get into his head and see what he was trying to represent. Take a look at what some art historians or scholars say about the paintings. They have done their homework (its their job) and should be able to talk about it.

lol, I also feel your not seeing the whole painting in them pics. I wonder why? Maybe because if you did see the whole thing you might be able to better understand it and find out its no UFO.

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andpau, if you'd be a little more honest, you would consider that these paintings were made at times where the very concept of a flying machine was totally unthinkable, when the most advanced form of transportation was the sailboat, and that althought some of the paintings shown on that site can easily be using spiritual symbolism instead of depictions of flying objects (such as the two figures above the Holy Cross), some of these paintings show obvious reference to how flying saucers and other UFOs would have been depicted by people of these time periods. What was considered in the ancient times to be the "Eye of God" turns out that it was obviously an oval flying object... as the Bible tells many times about people seeing the Eye of God in the skies, not as an allegory, but as a real object. This is the same with encounters with physical angels and the "horizontal flying wheels" that Moses saw in the desert. These are contextual interpretations or depictions of objects that could not be understood by the people of these times due to thir degree of technological advancement and system of beliefs, so everything that was beyond their day-to-day was concluded as being of godly or spiritual nature.

Here I don't see the Eye of God, or the Holy Spirit shedding light on the baptism of Jesus, but rather a clear oval, luminous object in the sky, which send beams of light to John the Baptist and Jesus:



And on this image, the typical arts historian will tell you that this is a "vortex of angels" of the clouds of the angels, but here we have an illuminated oval object into which the angels are hardly distinguishable from actual circles of golden lights...



The author of this page, Diego Cuoghi, makes a comparison between this object and the "circle of angels" shown in a few other religious paintings, but this comparison is only incidental, since these circles of angels do not appear under the same circumstances (in the other paintings, angels are shown as circling specific person that have relation with God, not as forming circles into a strange disk-shaped object suspended in the skies!).

Also, did the page made any explanation out of the Asian or the Autralian cavern paintings? No. I wonder how could he explain all these faces of Greys painted into the cavern thousands of years ago... Angels did not exist in the culture of the australian aboriginals... neither did they in Asian mythology and folklore.