Gravitic Propulsion--What IF the US and China Really Have it?

Regardless of what the guy who blew up the Tesla claimed in his so-called manifesto...is it really so impossible that 'gravitic propulsion' isn't already here?

We've been seeing UFO/UAP activity recently, which exhibits evidence that anti-gravity propulsion exists...and as history has taught us from recent decades, a good portion of the aerial phenomena we see, has eventually turned out to have been skunkworks-type advanced aircraft.

China steals everything from the US...and if we've secretly developed 'gravitic propulsion' technology...whether home grown or reverse-engineered from crashed alien ships...there's a good chance that the CCP has already stolen it from us and has already put it into the field.

Odds are...it exists...and there's a good chance the US and China now have it.
This technology is so far advanced beyond conventional propulsion that, effectively, the US and China are at military parity.

Thoughts?

Posted many times.

Major research was always headed up in colleges and universities throughout the world. And the major theories and lab research to back it.

The airplane, the tv, radio, rail systems, the car, the transistor were all life changing technologies headed by civilians.

The government/military often have the money to buy new technology. Usually why they first have the cutting edge equipment that resulted from civilian research.

If there is no major advancements and lab work mirrored in universities throughout the world, I seriously doubt your claim.

a reply to: CarlLaFong
Anti Grav tech was openly being talked about as being ready to go in the 50'sand 60's by big names and corporations like Lockheed,then suddenly they all shut up-many suspect the tech was classified and locked away in black projects/special access programs.

A good book on the subject is "The hunt for zero point" by Nick Cook.
Heres a decent interview with him about the subject-



I believe they do have have such tech,and that some UFO sightings can be attributed to this technology-one being the "Cash/Landrum" case where two unfortunate women were irratiated by a cube like object,which was being persued/supported by USAF chinook helicopters.

If we have that Technology it's a sure Bet that China has it also.
Biden probably sold it to them.
i have been hearing and reading for many years that the US Military
has Tech in advance of the public that is 50 to 100 years ahead of
anything the average citizen is aware of.
Who Knows ? for sure it ain't US.
a reply to: CarlLaFong

originally posted by: CarlLaFong
Regardless of what the guy who blew up the Tesla claimed in his so-called manifesto...is it really so impossible that 'gravitic propulsion' isn't already here?

We've been seeing UFO/UAP activity recently, which exhibits evidence that anti-gravity propulsion exists...and as history has taught us from recent decades, a good portion of the aerial phenomena we see, has eventually turned out to have been skunkworks-type advanced aircraft.

China steals everything from the US...and if we've secretly developed 'gravitic propulsion' technology...whether home grown or reverse-engineered from crashed alien ships...there's a good chance that the CCP has already stolen it from us and has already put it into the field.

Odds are...it exists...and there's a good chance the US and China now have it.
This technology is so far advanced beyond conventional propulsion that, effectively, the US and China are at military parity.

Thoughts?

If you haven't already read the whistleblower testimony from the Nov. 13, 2024 House hearing on UAP, you should:

www.congress.gov...

In summary, the whistleblower (apparently a State Department employee) is blowing the whistle on an Unacknowledged Special Access Program (USAP) called Immaculate Constellation. One of the main goals is to collect high quality imagery of UAPs and Alien Reproduction Vehicles/Reproduction Vehicles (ARVs/RVs). In this context, UAPs are presumed to refer to craft originating from Non Human Intelligences (NHIs) while ARVs/RVs are presumed to refer to craft originating from foreign (non-US) nations capable of reproducing some of the performance of UAPs, but using human technology. If you take this whistleblower's claims at face value, it says that some foreign nations have managed to produce ARVs/RVs exhibiting some kind of advanced flight characteristics. This actually supports the claims of Matt Livelsberger.

Personally, I am convinced that the US had its own line of ARVs/RVs for many decades. To me, one of the most persuasive cases for this idea is the Mark McCandlish story:

www.pioneeringminds.com...

a reply to: CarlLaFong

My first thought is that the powers the be who have held it a secret should be charged, convicted for crimes against humanity.

Could you imagine what it would be like for airliners to have that technology? Or cars. Imagine the effect on the environment and costs as well as society as a whole.

a reply to: CarlLaFong

Gravitic Propulsion--What IF the US and China Really Have it?

It's not IF...

trump has a Space Force and chiner ain't got squat.

www.washingtonexaminer.com...

a reply to: Lazy88

Exactly!


"Anti-gravity", or "gravitic" propulsion systems would be examples of technology, and All technology, at least in this reality, is based upon the physics which govern reality. The ubiquity of those physics means that any knowledge regarding the properties of those physics discovered by one person are therefore discoverable by any Other person.

As in music (which, like physics, is governed by underlying mathematics), any "chord" discovered by one player is, ultimately, discoverable by any musician. It cannot be kept "secret".


You want to claim "Anti-gravity" not only exists, but is understood well enough to have been developed "somewhere" to have been developed into an actual "technology"?


Show us the Physics!


And maybe, while you're at it, the peer reviews supporting your claim.

Well if the slow moving triangles are ours then there has to be some form of gravity mitigation, if not complete anti gravity. I think we have a handle on it to a degree, but not like the NHI’s.

Just think if Gravitic Propulsion is released to the public, it would mean the government is probably hiding teleportation...

Like, they're basically saying "Hey, there, you can have this cool Gravitic Propulsion tech, it's pretty sweet for travel and all that... meanwhile, we'll just be over here teleporting ourselves to our secret underground bunkers and moon bases, no big deal.

So, yeah, enjoy your Gravitic Propulsion, peasants, we'll just be teleporting ourselves to our private islands...

patents.google.com...

If gravity propulsion is power efficient enough to fly things, it can solve all energy needs.

Put a heavy flywheel on a generator. Apply less or more gravity to one side. Adjust as needed for load.

Self powering electrical generator. Not perpetual motion as eventually the bearings will wear out but close enough to work.

As for ground vehicles, they would all be rolling down hill, even those going up mountains. I am not sure if would work for ships as the water would pile up in front of them, the water being self leveling.

a reply to: CarlLaFong


Ummm...what if indeed...

IF...there is such an animal...then why are the US and China pouring trillions into useless old tech...Like the F35 and J20...not to mention the gen 6 stealth platforms under development...?

That's pretty much all the convincing I need to call these gravitic propulsion systems ScI FI...and not science...

Pretty much the definition of conspiracy...theory...





YouSir

originally posted by: lilzazz
a reply to: CarlLaFong

Gravitic Propulsion--What IF the US and China Really Have it?

It's not IF...

trump has a Space Force and chiner ain't got squat.

www.washingtonexaminer.com...

Ummm...that article is inferring is using SpaceX's StarShip...to move troops and equipment around the planet in a matter of hours...not about Gravitic propulsion...

SpaceX uses methalox as propellant for their StarShip program...Where methane and oxygen are injected under high pressure by turbo pumps into the combustion chamber of the rocket engine in order to provide thrust...when the power to weight ratio of the entire vehicle plus payload is sufficient...the rocket does in fact counter the effect of gravity and is propelled into orbit...

But that's not the same as Gravitic propulsion...where the..."engine"...creates gravity waves to both pull and push the vehicle...
When the waves are tuned to the same frequencies as the body the vehicle is lifting off from...the waves of the mass object are cancelled out...much as..."White noise"...is used to cancel out sound waves...once the gravity of the host is cancelled...then the waves are also directed both fore and aft of the vehicle to both pull and push the vehicle...or slide it up or down the gravity well...

The level of power needed to sustain the reaction is counterintuitive to current forms of energy production...meaning that there is no current...sustainable...means of producing the huge energy requirements to power these vehicles...

That's why whenever you hear talk of Gravitic propulsion...the conversation always ends with discussions of Zero point energy...Which is another discussion entirely...

It's all SCI-FI at this juncture...Perhaps with a truckload of Willows daisy chained together...(Google's new Quantum computer chip)...An AI might be able to crack the code and solve the equations...But at that level of computational power...maybe the AI would decide to keep that information for itself...


YouSir

a reply to: Boomer1947
Hell, even back about 1962 Popular Science ran a piece on how various aspects of science across America were hot on trying to create null-mass drive units. Everybody knew the potential for such a device. It would be the greatest war weapon that ever created. Beyond that it would be the greatest invention since the wheel.

(BTW: I tried researching PS files at one point to refind that old article I had read at the time, but I didn't find it listed. funny that?

1962 Popular Science

a reply to: CosmicFocus

Find a University library and look through their microfilm. It's sure to be available that way. Or you can check here..
might be here

Anti-gravity discover John Hutchinson
interesting

Some anti- gravity science
might find something here

a reply to: YouSir

No, not really. Think about buoyancy in water. It doesn't take immense amounts of energy to float in water, all you need is a device that is lighter and takes up more space in the substrate to offset gravity, like a boat. With quantum mechanics we all live in a substrate based on strings between particles. Particle A moves right, particle B moves left. It's all connected like a network or a web. This is how RAM in your computer works.

It's not that unbelievable that we either A.) learned this tech from crashed alien craft or B.) we learned it after operation paperclip from the nazi scientists.

I'm going with B.

originally posted by: MauiWaui
a reply to: YouSir

No, not really. Think about buoyancy in water. It doesn't take immense amounts of energy to float in water, all you need is a device that is lighter and takes up more space in the substrate to offset gravity, like a boat. With quantum mechanics we all live in a substrate based on strings between particles. Particle A moves right, particle B moves left. It's all connected like a network or a web. This is how RAM in your computer works.

It's not that unbelievable that we either A.) learned this tech from crashed alien craft or B.) we learned it after operation paperclip from the nazi scientists.

I'm going with B.

Ummm...Sooooo...the Hindenburg...was their buoyant...gravity offsetting vehicle...floating above the substrate...

Actually...if the universe is resonance...and the smallest subset of matter...strings...vibrating...then who plucks those strings in order for them to...in their entangled state...be ordered...?
Further...if consciousness is a product of entanglement...as it's expressed in the ordered...illusory vehicle in which it finds fulfillment...then isn't consciousness the substrate...the primal gestalt...which engenders the primacy gestalt...that then gives itself the name...self...?

These also...are questions...

But is the answer...that matter...doesn't matter...?



YouSir

originally posted by: ARM19688
Well if the slow moving triangles are ours then there has to be some form of gravity mitigation, if not complete anti gravity. I think we have a handle on it to a degree, but not like the NHI’s.

Shrugs…

originally posted by: fringeofthefringe

1962 Popular Science

a reply to: CosmicFocus

Anti-gravity discover John Hutchinson
interesting
query=Anti+gravity]might find something here[/url]

John Hutchison

Fraudulent footage

A toy UFO being "levitated" — by pulling on a string attached to it.
Hutchison himself claims to have replicated the results numerous times prior to 1991, while admitting some footage he has released since (at $100 per tape) was faked,[2] as he is no longer able to recreate the effects. He assumed that nobody would notice that the "levitating" objects were actually falling in front of an upside-down camera[3][4][5] or held up with invisible strings,[6] which he initially tried to convince his audience were cords supplying power to the levitating objects. As Hutchison said:[7]
The string is not string but #32-gauge double polythermalized wire on a takeup up reel with 20 to 50000 volts DC. The the[sic] main apparatus was turned on, causing the toy plastic ufo to fly all about in amazing gyrations. This was a pretest to gryphon films airing this fall for fox TV. I did not need the extra high voltage 2000 time period so the toy levitated without a high voltage hook up during the filming for gryphon there was a string on the toy no high-voltage dc but interesting movements.


rationalwiki.org...

By all means. Recreate the anti gravity technology and document it works.

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: fringeofthefringe

1962 Popular Science

a reply to: CosmicFocus

Anti-gravity discover John Hutchinson
interesting
query=Anti+gravity]might find something here[/url]

John Hutchison

Fraudulent footage

A toy UFO being "levitated" — by pulling on a string attached to it.
Hutchison himself claims to have replicated the results numerous times prior to 1991, while admitting some footage he has released since (at $100 per tape) was faked,[2] as he is no longer able to recreate the effects. He assumed that nobody would notice that the "levitating" objects were actually falling in front of an upside-down camera[3][4][5] or held up with invisible strings,[6] which he initially tried to convince his audience were cords supplying power to the levitating objects. As Hutchison said:[7]
The string is not string but #32-gauge double polythermalized wire on a takeup up reel with 20 to 50000 volts DC. The the[sic] main apparatus was turned on, causing the toy plastic ufo to fly all about in amazing gyrations. This was a pretest to gryphon films airing this fall for fox TV. I did not need the extra high voltage 2000 time period so the toy levitated without a high voltage hook up during the filming for gryphon there was a string on the toy no high-voltage dc but interesting movements.


rationalwiki.org...

By all means. Recreate the anti gravity technology and document it works.

Thanks for pointing that out. I was just looking for mor information on anti-gravity and looking for the 1962 Popular Science article. Noted