Islam And A Book Of Lies

My last post concerned the construction of the Kaaba, who built it, when it was built and for which god or deity was it originally built. A brief summary of that post is that it was built somewhere around 2000 BCE and it was to house around 360 pagan gods of unmentioned Arab tribes of that era. You can read that post here.
The Kaaba: Refuting Muhammad And Islam
This subject lead me further down the rabbit hole this evening wondering about the claims Islam has to the Jewish holy site where the now present Al-Masjid Al-Aqsa mosque and the Dome Of The Rock Muslim temple now resides. Muslim tradition claims that Muhammad was carried to Jerusalem and the Al-Masjid Al-Aqsa mosque one night thereby solidifying their claim to that sacred Jewish site.

So from there I began to research Muhammad's documented travels and not surprisingly there is no documented or archeological evidence he ever traveled out of Saudi Arabia and the only proof of his journey to Jerusalem is the Koran.
Koran 17-1Where it says, "

1. Glory to Him who journeyed His servant by night, from the Sacred Mosque, to the Farthest Mosque, whose precincts We have blessed, in order to show him of Our wonders. He is the Listener, the Beholder.

So this lead me to determine firstly where the "Sacred Mosque" was located. It is located in Mecca and it is the original mosque established. It is the Kaaba and the mosque that encompasses it. From there, I researched the locations of all known existing mosques of the Muhammad era. At the time Muhammad lived there were only three existing. The original "Sacred Mosque" at Mecca and two others located some 240 miles north of there at Medina, the Quba Mosque and the Masjid an-Nabawi (The Prophet’s Mosque). There were other potential religious sites mentioned but there were no other established mosques documented during Muhammad's life. Jerusalem is roughly 750 miles north of Mecca. The furthest mosque at that time was Masjid an-Nabawi (The Prophet’s Mosque) located around 5 miles north of Medina. So tell me how Muhammad could have been whisked off in the middle of the night to Jerusalem to a mosque that did not exist? Who interpreted Koran 17-1 to be Jerusalem to be the destination of Muhammad in that passage, because it certainly was not Muhammad. He was already long dead before the Al-Masjid Al-Aqsa mosque was ever built.

The Koran and Islam appears to me to built on lies. Satan is the god of deception.
The Prophet Muhammad, who is considered the last prophet in Islam, died on June 8, 632 CE (11 AH).
The construction of the Al-Masjid Al-Aqsa mosque. The original structure was built during the rule of the fifth Umayyad caliph Abd al-Malik (r. 685–705) or his successor al-Walid I (r. 705–715)

I found this to be interestint. (Google)

Was Muhammad a Real Person
Muhammad, the founder of Islam, is widely regarded as a historical figure by the majority of scholars and adherents of Islam. However, the historical evidence and its interpretation are subjects of ongoing debate.

Islamic sources, including the Quran and hadith, provide accounts of Muhammad’s life, but these sources were compiled centuries after his death. The earliest non-Islamic references to Muhammad appear in texts from the late 7th century, such as the Syriac chronicle and Armenian history, which mention a prophet among the Arabs.

Scholars like A.S. Ibrahim argue that while the Quran provides some references to Muhammad’s life, it does not offer a detailed biography. Most biographical information comes from sira literature, which dates mainly from the 8th and 9th centuries. This literature includes miraculous elements and stories adapted from biblical motifs, raising questions about its historical accuracy.

Modern scholars, including Michael Cook and Patricia Crone, acknowledge Muhammad as a historical figure but debate the reliability of the traditional accounts. Some scholars suggest that Muhammad’s historical importance may have been exaggerated by his followers, and that other Arab leaders had preceded him in attacking the weakened Byzantine and Persian empires.

In summary, while the existence of Muhammad is widely accepted, the historical accuracy of the traditional accounts is a subject of scholarly debate.

What are the chances he never even existed and all the hate and killing was for a big fat lie? What if Islam was created just to support and justify man's' lowest animal nature?

I can't wrap my head around there being a worse candidate for the anti-Christ than Muhammad.

a reply to: nugget1

Got a link to that? I'll google it.


There's a bunch of links discussing this subject. I may click on a few of them tomorrow.

originally posted by: charlest2
a reply to: nugget1

Got a link to that? I'll google it.

There's a bunch of links discussing this subject. I may click on a few of them tomorrow.

Tthe article I read a while back went into detail that Imy brain couln't quite grasp, like detailing times, places and languages being too wrong for any of Muhammad's life to have been a real event.

I didn't save the article but it had listed several scolarly nooks on the subject so the information is out there.....somewhere. lol

Some of the earliest mosques faced Petra, not Jerusalem nor Mecca

a reply to: charlest2

Carful now. You are investigating things that many just don't want to know. Mainly because they are too invested in their flavor of belief system. If you look into all organized religions, they are all the same.

After God made man, man went on to make god in the image of man. Man wrote books to tell other men what god told him. These books are full of stories used to gain power over other men. While most of these books have some good lessons from the stories within, they are all just an effort to consolidate power by making up a religon of what god said. Most are plagerized from previous works as man is lazy. Man will take a story and edit it to make god say what he thinks others need to hear.

All organized religions have god but that is not God.

a reply to: charlest2
Have you looked into the coins with "MHMD"and Christian crosses on them dating from pre islamic era?
Thats another rabbit hole which fits what you are talking about
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Historical artifacts(coins and inscriptions)may well have been appropriated and their meanings changed to fit a later narrative..

Not my opinion,part of the archeological record.

originally posted by: BeyondKnowledge3
a reply to: charlest2

Carful now. You are investigating things that many just don't want to know. Mainly because they are too invested in their flavor of belief system. If you look into all organized religions, they are all the same.

After God made man, man went on to make god in the image of man. Man wrote books to tell other men what god told him. These books are full of stories used to gain power over other men. While most of these books have some good lessons from the stories within, they are all just an effort to consolidate power by making up a religon of what god said. Most are plagerized from previous works as man is lazy. Man will take a story and edit it to make god say what he thinks others need to hear.

All organized religions have god but that is not God.

We don’t know anything about God but if he/it exists it is not found in the bible. If anything we find in the bible many different Gods contending with Yahweh for control of territories available in a given geographical area. All of these gods possessed advanced technological means and personal characteristics that all ancient peoples, including the nation of Israel, describe from their own point of view.

originally posted by: Radchad

originally posted by: BeyondKnowledge3
a reply to: charlest2

Carful now. You are investigating things that many just don't want to know. Mainly because they are too invested in their flavor of belief system. If you look into all organized religions, they are all the same.

After God made man, man went on to make god in the image of man. Man wrote books to tell other men what god told him. These books are full of stories used to gain power over other men. While most of these books have some good lessons from the stories within, they are all just an effort to consolidate power by making up a religon of what god said. Most are plagerized from previous works as man is lazy. Man will take a story and edit it to make god say what he thinks others need to hear.

All organized religions have god but that is not God.

We don’t know anything about God but if he/it exists it is not found in the bible. If anything we find in the bible many different Gods contending with Yahweh for control of territories available in a given geographical area. All of these gods possessed advanced technological means and personal characteristics that all ancient peoples, including the nation of Israel, describe from their own point of view.

You do know Yahweh is the horned god of the Cannenites? The Cannenites were wiped out by the Israelites.

All plagerized and all just man made.

a reply to: charlest2

This may be of interest: Contradictions in the Qur'an.

By some coincidence, I was reading Ezekiel 20. Surah 17:3-8 bears a remarkable resemblance in recounting the various "rebellions" of Israel.

Then see Ezekiel 20:25:

25Moreover also I gave them statutes that were not good, and ordinances in which they should not live; 26and I polluted them in their own gifts, in that they caused to pass through [the fire] all that opens the womb, that I might make them desolate, to the end that they might know that I am Yahweh.
-WEB-

So Ezekiel claims that Yahweh admits to giving bad laws meant to make desolate like the sacrifice of the first born. Hmmm.

Anyways, The dude who "compiled" the Qur'an while in Jerusalem used scraps and pieces that others had written down.
Then he destroyed the source pieces so that no later scholar could challenge his editing work. It is quite possible that the legend of Ezekiel being "carried in the spirit" from Babylon to Jerusalem (Ezek. 8:3) was known to him. Maybe the dude just slipped Surah 17:1 in there to make Mohamed seem as cool as Ezekiel.

Prophets are notorious for getting things wrong.

It has been said that Jesus proclaimed John the Baptist to be the greatest prophet. I will put my trust in the verified writings of John the Baptist.

Muhammad, if he existed, was a mass murdering caravan thief.
The Quran is a stinking mess and is easily debunked.
Islam is a blood thirsty misogynistic political movement and it's demonic.

That about sums it up.

a reply to: nugget1

That's an interesting possibility to consider. This was covered somewhat in the first thread in that the sources I used stated that Muhammad's father died before he was born, his mother died shortly after and he was passed to his grandfather who also died when he was a young boy. From there he was passed off to an uncle and lived a Bedouin life from that point. So in other words, he grew up an orphan.

Who will ever know the truth of Muhammad where there is no concrete documented evidence to prove his existence. As stated, the Koran is a book of lies and vaguely twisted and translated passages taken from the Mosaic texts to suit their objectives that can not be historically or archeologically validated.

originally posted by: BeyondKnowledge3
a reply to: charlest2

Carful now. You are investigating things that many just don't want to know. Mainly because they are too invested in their flavor of belief system. If you look into all organized religions, they are all the same.

After God made man, man went on to make god in the image of man. Man wrote books to tell other men what god told him. These books are full of stories used to gain power over other men. While most of these books have some good lessons from the stories within, they are all just an effort to consolidate power by making up a religon of what god said. Most are plagerized from previous works as man is lazy. Man will take a story and edit it to make god say what he thinks others need to hear.

All organized religions have god but that is not God.

And even today we have TV preachers claiming to have a hotline to God; heck, there are even some on ATS that share what 'god' tells them in their dreams and during meditation.

Not everybody is a born follower, though. some are just free-thinking 'heretics'.