Do I post here or Cryptozoology.

There is evidence of copper mining in the Great Lakes region in ancient times.

There is seemingly not enough local copper usage to explain the scale of the mining in the Pre-Columbian Americas.

However, the remarkably pure copper of the region seems to be similar to copper in objects found in the ancient Old World.

My next point should be obvious: cats can drink seawater to hydrate. Their kidneys are strong enough.

What if ancient sailors rowed here with hybrid crews of galley slaves who did not need fresh water provided, and deeply appreciated raw fish?

What if they were kept in the New World to prevent the secret from getting out, then for whatever reason, the trade broke down?

Perhaps only a small, secretive trade guild of some kind knew of them in the Old World, and the guild were lost in a cataclysm of the type which sank whatever city Atlantis was, or Crete? Atlantis might have been a moat-ringed city in Portugal. Pliny's ancient source didn't say it was surrounded by ocean.

What if the statue called the Sphinx is a surreptitious homage to the secret source of Khufu's economic power?

There's tales of Egyptian mummies buried with traces of tobacco.

a reply to: Solvedit

I watched a documentary that kind of made it seem like the Sphinx is much much older than the pyramids due to the amount of weathering on the rock.

Not sure how this fits in with your theory but, as a cat person I never knew cats can drink seawater so thanks for telling me that. I don't think my cat WOULD drink seawater since he's so picky. But maybe. He ate a whole chunk of Ramen noodles one time hehehehehe

a reply to: Solvedit

Sweet Post.

I wouldn’t say the connection is obvious.

Because when I read about pure copper and then cats drinking salt water, I imagined you were hypothesizing a sea-faring crew of cats.

I needed the laugh.

But.

Tie this into the Grand Canyon and the supposed tales there. Or even King Solomon’s mines.

Even if the book Kon-Tiki it is demonstrated that indeed in small amounts and with herbal help, humans can drink sea water.

Solid thread for ATS.

a reply to: Solvedit

What if ancient sailors rowed here with hybrid crews of galley slaves who did not need fresh water provided, and deeply appreciated raw fish?

I'm intrigued with your "hybrid" slaves now!
Are you suggesting they were feline/human hybrids???!!! The Sphinx is a representation of our feline overlord???!!!

Humans with long tails, carnivore teeth, and sharp claws...#inel how the # did those furry bad boys go extinct?!!!😱🤣

originally posted by: AdultMaleHumanUK
a reply to: Solvedit
Humans with long tails, carnivore teeth, and sharp claws...#inel how the # did those furry bad boys go extinct?!!!😱🤣

They probably mostly wanted the kidneys.

originally posted by: Shoshanna
a reply to: Solvedit

I watched a documentary that kind of made it seem like the Sphinx is much much older than the pyramids due to the amount of weathering on the rock.

Not sure how this fits in with your theory but, as a cat person I never knew cats can drink seawater so thanks for telling me that. I don't think my cat WOULD drink seawater since he's so picky. But maybe. He ate a whole chunk of Ramen noodles one time hehehehehe

The Sphinx is built from an existing outcropping of rock.

a reply to: Solvedit

This is very true. If you explore the existing theory/research you'll find that the copper, through chemical analysis, from Michigan was used in the Mediterranean area in ancient times.

I used to have to watch out for old copper mine tunnels when I went hunting and fishing in the copper country. I guess some of those mines were from the Native Americans. Isle Royal also has some old copper mines that the Indians mined.

Those old copper tunnels in the copper country sometimes had bears in them during the winters I heard, also they used them for cubs too. I did a lot of bird hunting and rabbit hunting when I was young, and those openings when covered by snow would make you sink even with snowshoes on in the winter. More than one time I had to reach down and grab my snowshoe because I had to release the strap and pull my foot out then dig out the snowshoe. There were lots of those tunnels by my uncles house in the woods.

You tend to memorize where they are when bird hunting when the ground is bare so you stay away from them when there is snow on the ground. They ran at angles under ground, at least they did not go pretty straight down like the mine vents did...you had to be very careful when walking in the woods up there, those mine shaft vents were dangerous if you fell into one.

Belonged the Ancient American Preservation society for years, they have evidence of some of the copper from around the great lakes being used in ancient tools and shields from the mediteranian area two thousand years ago. They can analyze where metals came from now by testing for other metals in their composition, copper is rarely one hundred percent copper, it has extra metals present in the environment mixed into it I guess. The history of that has been lost, did they haul it down to the ocean and someone picked it up and hauled it over seas?

When you find a piece of float copper in the copper country, sometimes the weird shapes can be contributed to them being at one time long ago a copper weapon. I saw a piece of copper one time, it looked like an ancient viking sword that was bent in half, someone found it in a field and sold it to my stepfather for the price of copper. There were even some pieces of smelted copper plate like things up there a guy picked up, sort of shaped like something they would hammer into a shield for some culture. He got about eight of them buried by a highway, I tried to get a few of them from him, but he had died but his son sold them to the scrapyard for spending money. He did a lot of research on them and I also did, they definitely looked like the shield blanks that were used in the mediteranian, not ingots like you would think they would have made for shipping. Meanwhile, after he died, copper was over three bucks a pound, so they got junked.

No copper mines around where I live now, just old gold mines that were mined by settlers that came here when the native Americans were around here. I know someone who found some old french silver coins at a site, probably from one of the fur traders burying them long ago they figure. pretty rough shape but they were able to identify them as French origion....the kids that found them are now in their sixties and I still see them occasionally, they sold most of the coins for the price of silver fifty years ago, I think they still have a few left. I am sure they had lots of money to buy candy, ice cream bars,, root beer, and other sodas when they sold the coins. I knew their father well, they went back to dig for more the day after they found them, but could not find anymore. I think he said there were about twenty of them.

They all moved to a valley on the West Coast where they lived until civilization overtook them.

Then their propensity for watching their owners and trying to copy what they do came in handy.
 

originally posted by: AdultMaleHumanUK
Humans with long tails, carnivore teeth, and sharp claws...#inel how the # did those furry bad boys go extinct?!!!😱🤣

In all semi-seriousness, if they were breeding galley slaves, they would have put to pasture any which had sharp claws instead of hands for rowing.