NEWS: Missouri Man Spits on Jane Fonda

You know Amuk id say your the person coming off as the imature kiddy here, if you cant take heated discuission why on earth be a mod of this place? If this vet here thinks that its ok to spit in peoples faces, i fail to see why i should show him ANY respect, you know just because somebody has fought in a war, it doesnt mean they are honourable or patriotic people, many people in the US army are simple mercianaries in it for the money, or down to the great mighty US goverment they cannot earn livings legally in there area...

So again no im not bitching about losing a crappy 350 "cool" points, maybe my egos a little tougher then yours?

P.S just because people may not agree with your twisted logic doesnt make them a traitor.

[edit on 24-4-2005 by AmaruM]

Originally posted by Amuk

Calling people "probable child killers" is not an insult?

He wasn't calling YOU that Amuk, he was calling the man that spits people in the face that.
Now if THIS is warnable then please please also start warning those that call famous christians this and that.
In fact warn everyone who wants the pope to burn in hell as well.
I thought you cna only get warned for insuling members of ATS, but the rules changed?

Originally posted by AmaruM

So again no im not bitching about losing a crappy 350 "cool" points, maybe my egos a little tougher then yours?

I can tell by how you are still whining about it...lol

Let me say this slowly for the thinking impared, the warn was for calling vets "probable baby killers" not for disagreeing.

Notice no oner else got warned? Why? Because they did not resort to sterotypical name calling classing thousands of people as "probable baby killers".

I noticed you didnt answer my question about calling a black man a "probable crack head' etc? I am sure you didnt because it would have exposed you for the bigot you are.

Believe it or not all vets are not baby killers nor are all blacks crackheads.

Like I said before if you wish to continue this U2U me or file a complaint.

Just tell them a babykiller is picking on you

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by AmaruM

It doesnt come as much as a suprise to me either that some low life vet thinks spitting in peoples faces is a acceptable way of protest, doesnt say much for your nation from my view, also a man who was arrested and spat in a officers face in the US was arrested and had a possible life sentance because of his act, why should some probable child murdering face spitting yank be creditited for such an act? Im not a violent person but if he did that to me, id hit him with the nearest metal object i could find.

Amuk do you care to explain here why you gave me a warning for this post?

I think I can answer that. Look at the bold portion of your post.

Once again folks, look at the last word in bold he wasn't just insulting the serviceman. He was also insulting the "yanks". I'm not American but I'd say Amuk beat me to the warn.

Originally posted by Jakko

Originally posted by Amuk

Calling people "probable child killers" is not an insult?

He wasn't calling YOU that Amuk, he was calling the man that spits people in the face that.

How does spitting in someones face make them a "Babykiller"?

BULL#

he was calling him a probable babykiller because he was a Vietnam Vet.

I disagree with both you MODs. So what if someone calls Vets baby killers (in this instance he said probable)?

I'm a Vet and whether I did or not is no different than lots of other 'stereo-types' floating around.

Amuk is a Vet and took personal offense. O.K. by me, but as a MOD I think he is wrong to 'fine' someone that he (Amuk) took as a personal insult.

With a system like that in place then posters have to check 'at the door' what the MODs personal belief system is. This is not right.

OK gang, asked and answered. Let's get back to the topic.

Originally posted by JoeDoaks
Amuk is a Vet and took personal offense. O.K. by me, but as a MOD I think he is wrong to 'fine' someone that he (Amuk) took as a personal insult.

So a black Mod should not be offended if someone posts "Niggers are crackheads"?

should he allow the post just because he is black?

Using the MOD 'hammer' because of something personal is wrong.

I was 'in country' along with some of you other old geezers and while I don't appreciate reading 'baby killer' I would rather read it then hide in bus stations on the way home from the crowds that did far worse than yell at me.

Been there Amuk-

IF you take the position of MOD personal 'issues' need to be set on the side. This is my opinion and that of a fair number of other people as well.

Otherwise, what are posters to do? Ask what a MODs preference is before posting?

This forum is supposed to encourage freedom of debate (and this means bias and prejudices as well), otherwise we become PC in all we say.


*edit to add
to your question-yes.

If someone refers to crackheads and you take offense, get another MOD to supervise the thread and go somewhere else or leave the 'hammer' at the door.

[edit on 24-4-2005 by JoeDoaks]

If anyone else has more to say U2U me. I will answer there.

Originally posted by JoeDoaks
*edit to add
to your question-yes.

If someone refers to crackheads and you take offense, get another MOD to supervise the thread and go somewhere else or leave the 'hammer' at the door.

[edit on 24-4-2005 by JoeDoaks]

Originally posted by intrepid
I'm not American but I'd say Amuk beat me to the warn.

I've seen Amuk's reply above mine here. Now back to the topic.

I read through most of the posts and it looked like this thread is pulling away from the real meat of the issue.

1. Is spitting on Jane F. a good protest?

2. Is Jane F. lying in her new book and just trying to save her character and make some cash?

Maybe we could get a poll going to see how many people want to spit on her and what their primary reasoning is. I would bet most vets that were in support of our countries efforts in VN would want to spit on her and that people that were in objection think she is a hero.

In a recent interview on NPR, Jane F claims that she was young and stupid and being manipulated. Her famous photo sitting at the trigger of an enemy antiaircraft gun was in her words something she began to regret the second after the picture was snapped.

Personally, I think Jane F. is still acting. She needs some cash and publicity. I even wonder if she isn't paying a few people to spit on her as a publicity stunt.

Originally posted by Famous Wayne
Personally, I think Jane F. is still acting. She needs some cash and publicity. I even wonder if she isn't paying a few people to spit on her as a publicity stunt.

Never thought of that. Could be. I don't think she needs the money. Mrs ex-Turner may just need the attention.

Jane Fonda is a traitor! She was sitting on the enemie's weapons! I know she has a right to protest the war, but can you imagine the attention if, someone was playing cards and laughing with Osama Bin Laden.

These veterens were fighting a tough war, and Fonda betrayed her home country, I would have spat at here too if I was a veteren who fought my butt off in the war only to see her conversing with the enemy.

These actors and actresses don't know a single thing about politics.

BTW- Fonda was on Real Time with Bill Maher last Friday Night.

There is a great point to be made about Actors and Politics as a generic truth.

Actors are abusing their popularity when they sell their political opinions.


Personally, I believe they are frequently manipulated by the government or special interest groups into promoting a particular political idea.

I wonder what Governer Arnold S. has to say about abusing popularity or any for that matter; any actor / politician crossbread?

Also, does an opinion or protest make a person a traitor? Does playing cards with Asama make someone a traiter? I am not trying to stirr the pot too much on this one, but I have always wondered when a protestor crosses over to traitor. Maybe I should not have mentioned this...

Originally posted by MysticalUnicorn
These actors and actresses don't know a single thing about politics.

Reagan and Schwarzenegger immediately come to mind to show they do.

Originally posted by Amuk

Originally posted by Jakko

Originally posted by Amuk

Calling people "probable child killers" is not an insult?

He wasn't calling YOU that Amuk, he was calling the man that spits people in the face that.

How does spitting in someones face make them a "Babykiller"?

BULL#

he was calling him a probable babykiller because he was a Vietnam Vet.

Which makes him silly, but as far as I know that's still not a reason to warn someone. Don't get me wrong, you're a great mod, and I actually believe people SHOULD be able to get warned for insulting people who are not part of ATS, but as people have been bashing my religion and people I look up to without being warned, I think it's only fair the same rules apply to everyone, right?

Originally posted by Jakko
Which makes him silly, but as far as I know that's still not a reason to warn someone. Don't get me wrong, you're a great mod, and I actually believe people SHOULD be able to get warned for insulting people who are not part of ATS, but as people have been bashing my religion and people I look up to without being warned, I think it's only fair the same rules apply to everyone, right?

This thread is back on track, use u2u's if you wish to follow this further.

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"When I was in my 20s I lost a third of my tongue, half my jaw and all of the flesh connecting the right side of my neck with the rest of my body. I also lost the use of my right arm and for a guy who loves to play baseball, that counts as a real loss."

After a few years the connection between the two might be real strong.

Anyways, this is up there with Ann getting pied, except she wanted the man arressted and charged until her PR told her not to. At least Jane knows enough to not want someone given the death penalty for doing something stupid, cause then she'd be dead, along with Bush, Cheney, anyone who voted for them, Bill Clinton, Fox News people, YEEEEHAAA Dean, and millions if not billions of people who do stupid things. But again she isn't Ann, who went NUTS! She was screaming for the guys head until her PR shut her up.

Also, how is trying to save the lives of American men treason? Like saying using the Nuke on Japan to keep American troops from having to invade and get slaughtered as treason. Why is she so hated? Yes she met with the enemy, but so did the government. The Government had peace talks with the Vietcong/NV for years, yet Jane is evil for doing the same thing but being effective?(well, more effective then the government) So Lincoln/Grant evil for having peace talks with Lee to end the Civil War? Are they committing treason when they talked to Lee so our boys could put down their muskets and go home?

Not that anyone will respond to that with a level head as reading this topic has shown that anyone trying to save lives is evil for some reason. Seems that the people who didn't fight but stood on the sidelines with their exempt papers yelling "EVIL! How dare she try to save American lives by ending the war!" with Vets pissed that no one loved them for putting their necks on the line for a corrupt government that was to busy with a Cold War to deal with the Hot War they had started.