Something better

a reply to: GENERAL EYES

Come on now I posted it for content regarding Rogan unaware of
Brands low popularity. Seems very articulate and well informed to me
but anyway my bad I guess.

originally posted by: Astrocometus
a reply to: AgarthaSeed

I never got vaccinated.

I didn't even come close. And don't know anyone who did.
Thank God all my family and friends are on the same ship.
All ready to defend the little ones to the end if pushed that
far. And it was so easy to see they could. In fact I wonder why
they didn't go all the way? Nothing was stopping them that I
noticed. And they had at least half the country behind them.

Chicken #z

Not to take anything away from you ( bc you should be proud you resisted the propaganda) but I envied folks in other states during the pandemic. NYC was an authoritarian zoo from 2020-22.

Seriously, EVERY commercial break on local TV was filled with clown world vaccine advertisements. Every subway car, every bus stop, billboard and "news" program was 24/7 vax propaganda. I was constantly barked at for not wearing a mask while doing cardio at the gym. You weren't allowed in restaurants, bars, concerts, etc unless you were valued. ( or had a paper index card saying you did )

Then I would go visit friends in suburban Florida and it's like Covid never existed. No Orwellian regulations or citizen policing. No masks. Wave runners and shooting ranges. Freedom.

So location certainly played a big role in how Covid was enforced and exploited.

a reply to: AgarthaSeed

Sure is difficult knowing for a fact that a certain group of
people, very well connected across the globe. Have no
doubt declared war on myself my loved ones my friends
and most of the people on the planet. And most refuse to
even acknowledge it no matter how obvious it becomes.

Just having everyone aware of what their doing might
freak them out enough to consider a different path.
None of us would have to do anything but see right
thru they're hokey lies and know why they are doing
what they're doing. I mean God their lies are so
pathetic and lame.

originally posted by: Astrocometus

originally posted by: VariedcodeSole
a reply to: Astrocometus

Would you kiss the egg?🤨

No but I'll take an egg nog and something a little more on topic toots.
Did you like what Joe Rogan was saying? Do you think his observations
were accurate? If you're repressing feelings of ignorance I suggest you
just let it go right here right now. You'll feel much better I promise.
Maybe Jimmy Dore suits you better.

If you rinse the sand out, you'd be more comfortable. Lighten up, geezus...

a reply to: AgarthaSeed

I never got vaccinated.

And I only know a handful of people here in NYC that are unvaccinated. I trust those people in ways that I cannot trust others.

Replace NYC with a town on the SW coast of England, and your quoted words could be my own.
Covid 2020/21 made me realise how easy the majority are swayed by faith in government...and how quickly they'll sell out citizens who don't share their blind faith!😱😢

a reply to: VariedcodeSole

If you rinse the sand out, you'd be more comfortable. Lighten up, geezus...

Well that sounds like good advice. I'm on it!

originally posted by: AlroyFarms

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Astrocometus

Conspiracy theorists are still mostly nut-jobs.

They'll tell you that the vaccines kill, while stuck in the daily traffic congestion.

Dude just let it go.

Not everybody wanted to. That's the only thing that matters. Whether it had risks or was 100% safe, people have their own will and it's not up to anyone to tell an adult what steps to take into their future.

You are wrong for refusing to acknowledge the free will and agency of your friends and neighbors.

Bro, we all want to like you. You make it hard.

Use this time to reflect on your draconian wet dreams and reevaluate your relationship with yourself and the people around you.

Merry Christmas.

Yeah, well one of the lawyers for Robert F Kennedy (Trump's new pick to lead HHS), is trying to revoke CDC approval for the Polio vaccine!

Kennedy's lawyer has asked the FDA to revoke its approval of the polio vaccine

You see, if you buy into the conspiracy theory that the mRNA immunizations are deadly, then you have also to buy into the belief that one of the most successful immunizations, against an otherwise incurable and often fatal disease, is also deadly (because all effective medicines have side-effects).

And if the Polio vax approval gets revoked, then you no longer have a choice of prevention of the disease, anymore. What great freedumb you guys have instigated!

This is how American liberty is truly being eroded. Not by mandated health-care, but by the total removal of that health-care as an option, and Trump's choice of putting an anti-vaxxer in charge of HHS is just icing on the cake.

originally posted by: KrustyKrab

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Astrocometus

Conspiracy theorists are still mostly nut-jobs.

They'll tell you that the vaccines kill

Another conspiracy theory that’s become true for who knows how many.

Who knows how many? That's like saying you have no idea at all, and it is entirely based upon baseless opinion.

Out of the billions that have had the mRNA immunization, very few have died from complications of the shots. And before you tell me about heart disease in young athletes, I'll remind you that the number 1 killer of young athletes has always been heart disease. And the number of heart related deaths in the USA rose most sharply during the pandemic, but before the immunizations were available.

So to attribute every sudden cardiac death to the immunizations is just plain BS. Recent studies have found no statistical link at all with mRNA shots and sudden cardiac deaths:

Assessment of Risk for Sudden Cardiac Death Among Adolescents and Young Adults After Receipt of COVID-19 Vaccine — Oregon, June 2021–December 2022

All while the ones that believe it’s perfectly safe keep their heads buried in the sand and ignore the consequences it’s had for many others. Crazy world, right?

What is crazy is the suggestion that you have no idea of numbers, but believe that somehow this means that there have been numerous deaths.

What there was, was a media beat-up, based upon the rants of anti-vaxxers.

And if the Polio vax approval gets revoked, then you no longer have a choice of prevention of the disease, anymore. What great freedumb you guys have instigated!

a reply to: chr0naut

From your link.

Different types of polio vaccines

Siri's petition focuses on the inactivated polio vaccine, which has been used in the United States for more than two decades.

Irregardless of what you think of the pros and cons of the different polio vaccines, what the petition was referring to was just one type- Siri's petition focuses on the inactivated polio vaccine. So "Kennedy and his lawyer" don't want to do away with the Polio vaccine, just a certain type of Polio vaccine.

a reply to: fringeofthefringe
Gosh, that's an unusually schoolboy error by chr0naut, if I'm reading your post correctly!🤣

Keep on denying ignorance FOTF!!!😁

The egg came out of someone's butt in the test. Kissing the egg means you are ready to try too. I wonder if that picture was taken back when Brand was on that extreme edge of sexual deviance. Over the years he has changed as he has walked away from it all, but I bet we will hear stories from him one day on all the Hollywood sexual deviancy.

originally posted by: chr0naut
What is crazy is the suggestion that you have no idea of numbers, but believe that somehow this means that there have been numerous deaths.

What there was, was a media beat-up, based upon the rants of anti-vaxxers.

We have a lot more data today than we did at the start. The largest failure was to make the vaccine mandate while not knowing the full risks as these new vaccines were pushed quickly through the safety protocols and phases. Another big failure was how much the left pushed just how good the vaccines were that ended up not being the case. For how long did they push that if you get the vaccine then you cannot get or give the virus to others? The vaccines were not nearly as affected as they pushed that was on the level of malpractice as they just made stuff up to support the vaccines and demonized anyone who didn't want to take it.

What we do know is the vaccine helped many in the high-risk categories who had elevated risks well past the risks the experimental vaccines might create too. When we started to vaccinate everyone healthy including the very young, we pushed new risks on those groups that had very low risk already to the virus. Both of my boys had to get vaccinated to go back to college even after having COVID already with maybe 2 days of only light cold symptoms.

As we have more and more data we get things like this that came out early this year.

The BMJ

The study, published in Vaccine, confirmed previously identified rare safety signals for myocarditis and pericarditis after a mRNA vaccine (Pfizer and Moderna) and Guillain-Barré syndrome and cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST) after viral vector vaccines (AstraZeneca).1

There was a statistically significant increase in Guillain-Barré syndrome within 42 days after the first dose of the AstraZeneca vaccine—76 events were expected and 190 events were observed (observed to expected ratio 2.49; 95% confidence interval 2.15 to 2.87). A statistically significant increased risk of CVST was also observed following the first dose of the AstraZeneca vaccine (OE ratio 3.23; 95% CI 2.51 to 4.09).

The study also confirmed significantly higher risks of myocarditis following the first, second, and third doses of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines as well as pericarditis after the first and fourth dose of Moderna vaccine, and third dose of AstraZeneca vaccine in the 42 days following vaccination.

As well as these known risks the researchers also identified a possible safety signal for acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (AEDM) and transverse myelitis with both viral vector and mRNA vaccines.

I have always been in support of the vaccines, but we didn't need to elevate risks among the young/healthy needlessly and you can blame Biden and liberals for all that.

I have always been in support of the vaccines, but we didn't need to elevate risks among the young/healthy needlessly and you can blame Biden and liberals for all that.

a reply to: Xtrozero

It's always amazed me as we haved passed through the massive propaganda we all experienced during covid lock downs and mandates so many people still equate those who were/are apprehensive to taking the covid vaccines-over and over-as anti-vaxxers.

originally posted by: fringeofthefringe

It's always amazed me as we haved passed through the massive propaganda we all experienced during covid lock downs and mandates so many people still equate those who were/are apprehensive to taking the covid vaccines-over and over-as anti-vaxxers.

I had a good number of prior military who worked for me who each had 40+ vaccines in them but elected to not get the COVID-19 vaccine. I never saw any of it as anti-vaxxers though that term has been used for simplification of a complex situation.

originally posted by: fringeofthefringe

And if the Polio vax approval gets revoked, then you no longer have a choice of prevention of the disease, anymore. What great freedumb you guys have instigated!

a reply to: chr0naut

From your link.

Different types of polio vaccines

Siri's petition focuses on the inactivated polio vaccine, which has been used in the United States for more than two decades.

Irregardless of what you think of the pros and cons of the different polio vaccines, what the petition was referring to was just one type- Siri's petition focuses on the inactivated polio vaccine. So "Kennedy and his lawyer" don't want to do away with the Polio vaccine, just a certain type of Polio vaccine.

Yes, there are 3 polio vaccines that have previously been approved for use in the USA, but the only currently licensed and available Polio vaccine in the USA is the inactivated polio vaccine.

Polio Vaccination - CDC

You take that away, and there will be no licensed and available polio vaccines at all in the USA.

originally posted by: AdultMaleHumanUK
a reply to: fringeofthefringe
Gosh, that's an unusually schoolboy error by chr0naut, if I'm reading your post correctly!🤣

Keep on denying ignorance FOTF!!!😁

Not an error at all. The only available licensed polio vaccine in the US is the inactivated one.

The attenuated one (Salk Oral vaccine) has a small risk of actually causing polio, and so it was withdrawn in 2000.

a reply to: chr0naut
So the inactivated vaccine that I had decades ago, along with every living human I know, is the vaccine that some nut wants to withdraw from use in the US?!

I don't get that, at all. Surely, of ALL vaccines in the history of vaccines, the inactivated polio one is proven to have saved many lives and misery.

I have major concerns with new mRNA vaccine trials, but the old fashioned polio one that has been going for decades, is as trustworthy as paracetamol ffs!

I hope I've just misread this thread, and there aren't really any conspiracy loons who are calling to stop the long-proven inactivated polio vaccine!!!😱

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: chr0naut
What is crazy is the suggestion that you have no idea of numbers, but believe that somehow this means that there have been numerous deaths.

What there was, was a media beat-up, based upon the rants of anti-vaxxers.

We have a lot more data today than we did at the start. The largest failure was to make the vaccine mandate while not knowing the full risks as these new vaccines were pushed quickly through the safety protocols and phases. Another big failure was how much the left pushed just how good the vaccines were that ended up not being the case. For how long did they push that if you get the vaccine then you cannot get or give the virus to others? The vaccines were not nearly as affected as they pushed that was on the level of malpractice as they just made stuff up to support the vaccines and demonized anyone who didn't want to take it.

What we do know is the vaccine helped many in the high-risk categories who had elevated risks well past the risks the experimental vaccines might create too. When we started to vaccinate everyone healthy including the very young, we pushed new risks on those groups that had very low risk already to the virus. Both of my boys had to get vaccinated to go back to college even after having COVID already with maybe 2 days of only light cold symptoms.

As we have more and more data we get things like this that came out early this year.

The BMJ

The study, published in Vaccine, confirmed previously identified rare safety signals for myocarditis and pericarditis after a mRNA vaccine (Pfizer and Moderna) and Guillain-Barré syndrome and cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST) after viral vector vaccines (AstraZeneca).1

There was a statistically significant increase in Guillain-Barré syndrome within 42 days after the first dose of the AstraZeneca vaccine—76 events were expected and 190 events were observed (observed to expected ratio 2.49; 95% confidence interval 2.15 to 2.87). A statistically significant increased risk of CVST was also observed following the first dose of the AstraZeneca vaccine (OE ratio 3.23; 95% CI 2.51 to 4.09).

The study also confirmed significantly higher risks of myocarditis following the first, second, and third doses of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines as well as pericarditis after the first and fourth dose of Moderna vaccine, and third dose of AstraZeneca vaccine in the 42 days following vaccination.

As well as these known risks the researchers also identified a possible safety signal for acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (AEDM) and transverse myelitis with both viral vector and mRNA vaccines.

I have always been in support of the vaccines, but we didn't need to elevate risks among the young/healthy needlessly and you can blame Biden and liberals for all that.

The AZ vaccine in the US, withdrew from approval in November 2022, and has now been withdrawn worldwide, so mention of that vaccine is purely academic at this date.

Also, from that study, the specific numerical chances of mRNA vaccines causing acute disseminated encephalomyelitis was 0.78 per million vaccine doses, and for transverse myelitis 1.82 per million vaccine doses. That is a thousandth of the risk of death from the disease, which is still quite prevalent.

Any promotion of vaccine hesitancy has, and is, contributing to a greater risk of death. In my opinion, for an educated person to promote vaccine hesitancy, in the light of the actual statistics, is tantamount to manslaughter.

a reply to: chr0naut

My point was and still is there will still be IPV Polio vaccines administered. The people whose defensive reflexivity towards any questioning regarding the usage of vaccines is absurd.

In the case of polio, critics are zeroing in on a vaccine using inactivated, or killed, virus that causes the body to produce its own antibodies against the virus that causes polio and stop it from spreading to the central nervous system.

The virus can still multiply inside the intestines and be shed in the stool. But the risk of continued circulation is low in the U.S. because of vaccination efforts.

Kennedy and his lawyer, Siri, are just interested in raising the bar in terms of testing. Not completely eliminating the admistration of the vaccine as stated here...

The petition asks the FDA to suspend the vaccine's approval for infants and toddlers "until a properly controlled and properly powered double-blind trial of sufficient duration is conducted."

It claims that the studies FDA cited in its 1990 approval of updated polio vaccine don't properly investigate the vaccine's long-term safety.

And it calls for a warning label stating the vaccine "does not prevent intestinal infection and therefore does not prevent poliovirus transmission."

Kennedy supports the IPV Polio vaccine along with his lawyer, Siri. As per the standard approach by the legacy media the knee jerk reaction and villification of anyone interested in more studies and vetting of vaccines is remarkable. For you to "jump on the band wagon" of the false narrative that Kennedy and his lawyer want to eliminate the polio vaccine is pathetic.
not a pro Kennedy article but still provides solid facts

originally posted by: AdultMaleHumanUK
a reply to: chr0naut
So the inactivated vaccine that I had decades ago, along with every living human I know, is the vaccine that some nut wants to withdraw from use in the US?!

I don't get that, at all. Surely, of ALL vaccines in the history of vaccines, the inactivated polio one is proven to have saved many lives and misery.

I have major concerns with new mRNA vaccine trials, but the old fashioned polio one that has been going for decades, is as trustworthy as paracetamol ffs!

I hope I've just misread this thread, and there aren't really any conspiracy loons who are calling to stop the long-proven inactivated polio vaccine!!!😱

Hopefully, the administration will consider the history and statistical data and wiser counsel will prevail.

But when you put a stated anti-vaxxer who listens to supplement sellers, opposes the FDA, the WHO and the CDC, in charge of Health and Human Services, there are going to be consequences.