Biden pardons his son Hunter despite previous pledges not to

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: WeMustCare

Kamala will be President 46.6 😁

That's the ONLY thing that could possibly keep Biden from the victory he's earned as the very worst president in the history of America.

Granted, Kamal would only have a few short weeks to outshine Joe, but I'm confident she'd be up to the challenge.

a reply to: WeMustCare

We just saw an example of this go down with the Young Thug trial...where Lil Woody was given immunity then forced to testify and was unable to invoke his 5th amendment rights on the stand...he was even thrown in jail for it.

a reply to: nugget1

I don't know if that pardon would cover the child sex trafficking I don't see how any pardon could.

What if Biden pardoned the J6er's?

Hum???

From: White House offical site

Executive Grant of Clemency
Joseph R. Biden, Jr.
President of the United States of America

To All to Whom These Presents Shall Come, Greeting:

Be It Known, That This Day, I, Joseph R. Biden, Jr., President of the United States, Pursuant to My Powers Under Article II, Section 2, Clause 1, of the Constitution, Have Granted Unto

ROBERT HUNTER BIDEN

A Full and Unconditional Pardon

For those offenses against the United States which he has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 1, 2014 through December 1, 2024, including but not limited to all offenses charged or prosecuted (including any that have resulted in convictions) by Special Counsel David C. Weiss in Docket No. 1:23-cr-00061-MN in the United States District Court for the District of Delaware and Docket No. 2:23-CR-00599-MCS-1 in the United States District Court for the Central District of California.

IN TESTIMONY WHEREOF I have hereunto signed my name and caused the Pardon to be recorded with the Department of Justice.

So yes, he just got a pardon for the human trafficking of children and adults for the purposes of sexual conduct.

a reply to: rickymouse

By that argument, his pardon is also therefore 'nul and void'.
Rainbows
Jane

a reply to: xuenchen

I really don't understand the concept behind a Presidential pardon. Surely a pardon should only be for those wrongly convicted and as such should only be given by a Court of Law and not on the whim of an outgoing lame duck President?

Hunter Biden pleaded guilty to the crimes he was convicted of and regardless of motivation behind the prosecution there quite clearly was no miscarriage of justice, so how can a pardon be justified?

I'm sure Biden isn't the first President guilty of such a blatant case of nepotism or what is in my opinion an abuse of power, but this really is shocking.

Is there no way this pardon can be overturned and rescinded?

Former Attorney General/Criminal ERIC HOLDER says President Biden did THE RIGHT THING by pardoning Hunter Biden.

Source: www.breitbart.com...

Maybe Joe can wave a "magic wand" and give himself and Obama IMMUNITY from prosecution for any past crimes?

originally posted by: Freeborn

Is there no way this pardon can be overturned and rescinded?

There is, but Congress has to have 3/4 majority to do so (it might be 2/3rd I really can't remember civics class from 20 years ago perfectly)

I will say that this might be a good thing. If Hunter has a pardon for these crimes, then he basically nullifies his 5A right. He can't incriminate himself is he has Presidential immunity for those crimes. If he gets put in front of Congress to testify against his dads' crimes, he is going to be in a very large legal pickle if he tries to use the 5A.

From: Cornell School of Law

Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

"nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself"

Something else about this pardon that just occurred to me, Why is it only from Jan 1st 2014 till Dec 1st 2024? Wasn't that the same time that the Maidan Protests started? Silly question but was that and Hunters involvement in Burisma connected?

a reply to: Guyfriday

He'll probably just lie and claim he didn't know where the money was going.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk
or creatively not show up like last time.

Allow me to ask a favor of yall.


Keep an eye out for DC Dem insiders who have suddenly died between the election and Dec 1. Focus on areas where Hunter was close by....


Joking. Not suicidal.

Maybe someone can clarify for me, but I'm not convinced this is a legal pardon. My understanding of the presidential pardon process is that a person can only be pardoned for crimes which have been officially identified (i.e. charged, indicted, grand jury, etc.). This pardon goes beyond that. By the..."including but not limited to all offenses..." language, it is essentially a pardon for anything and everything Hunter "might" have done during the time frame identified. That is wholly different.

I don't think a blanket pardon like this is within the president's pardoning authority. It's essentially a get out of jail free card for anything he could have possibly done, identified or not.

edit - As I have noted elsewhere, I don't particularly care about Hunter one way or the other. What I do care about is exposing, and pursuing (legally) the Biden corruption cartel, from top to bottom. Hunter wasn't an elected official; Joe Biden was.

originally posted by: Guyfriday

originally posted by: Freeborn

Is there no way this pardon can be overturned and rescinded?

There is, but Congress has to have 3/4 majority to do so (it might be 2/3rd I really can't remember civics class from 20 years ago perfectly)

I will say that this might be a good thing. If Hunter has a pardon for these crimes, then he basically nullifies his 5A right. He can't incriminate himself is he has Presidential immunity for those crimes. If he gets put in front of Congress to testify against his dads' crimes, he is going to be in a very large legal pickle if he tries to use the 5A.

From: Cornell School of Law

Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

"nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself"

Something else about this pardon that just occurred to me, Why is it only from Jan 1st 2014 till Dec 1st 2024? Wasn't that the same time that the Maidan Protests started? Silly question but was that and Hunters involvement in Burisma connected?

That still doesnt mean he will tell the truth..

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
Maybe someone can clarify for me, but I'm not convinced this is a legal pardon. My understanding of the presidential pardon process is that a person can only be pardoned for crimes which have been officially identified (i.e. charged, indicted, grand jury, etc.). This pardon goes beyond that. By the..."including but not limited to all offenses..." language, it is essentially a pardon for anything and everything Hunter "might" have done during the time frame identified. That is wholly different.

I don't think a blanket pardon like this is within the president's pardoning authority. It's essentially a get out of jail free card for anything he could have possibly done, identified or not.

edit - As I have noted elsewhere, I don't particularly care about Hunter one way or the other. What I do care about is exposing, and pursuing (legally) the Biden corruption cartel, from top to bottom. Hunter wasn't an elected official; Joe Biden was.

Anyone?

a reply to: Freeborn

Here's the WH statement.

www.whitehouse.gov...

Bottom section gives the legal mumbo jumbo as to how it can happen.

a reply to: strongfp

What a crock of $#it

I have watched my son being selectively, and unfairly, prosecuted

He was charged, pleaded guilty, and put to trial. If he was targeted, what does that say about his own DOJ?

Hunter was singled out only because he is my son

This has been in motion since before Biden took office, how can this be about Hunter being his son?


This is just a chicken $#it, sore loser, move. He lied to the American people and did exactly what he said he would not do, he even admitted that in the opening 2 sentences.

a reply to: xuenchen

Pardoning your own son just dont sit right.

I mean even God let Jesus take the derry ffs.

Sets a bad precedent and then some.

a reply to: andy06shake

The very idea that someone can be pardoned for committing crimes to which they pleaded guilty to is bizarre.
Even if the prosecution was politically motivated - which I'm not convinced it was - it does not alter the FACT that Hunter committed those crimes.
Anyone else who had been convicted of those crimes would have had to pay the price and serve the punishment ordered by the court.
I fail to see how he can be pardoned just because he is the President's son - its a blatant abuse of power in my way of thinking.

Still, it's not our problem mate......but as you say it sets a very dangerous precedent.

now we just need that little bitch KJP to smugly explain to all why everyone is a bad person for not embracing Joe's Pardon that she emphatically denied would ever take place. I hate smug bitches.