Putin will warn civilians in targeted areas

a reply to: WeMustCare

Yeah, I know.

This is why Putin said (I'm paraphrasing, I can't find the actual quote) "A non nuclear country using weapons provided by a nuclear armed country is a nuclear threat"

That's exactly what's happening.

originally posted by: MauiWaui
a reply to: WeMustCare

Yeah, I know.

This is why Putin said (I'm paraphrasing, I can't find the actual quote) "A non nuclear country using weapons provided by a nuclear armed country is a nuclear threat"

That's exactly what's happening.

Our President (Joe Biden) is at the end of his natural life, angry, bitter, and wants to take us all with him.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: annonentity

If Putin employs nukes...it's the end of Putin.

Period.

If any country uses nukes this day and age, I could be the end of everything. There's also a negative side....

a reply to: WeMustCare

Well if things pop off while I'm over there, you'll have boots on the ground reporting.

I hope to God this doesn't happen. Shield me with prayers folks.

Thanks in advance.

a reply to: lilzazz

Putin will be in deep bunkers the same as all the rest of the politicos in this world, quite ironic as they have used our blood sweat and toil to kill us off.I guess that's Darwinism.

originally posted by: annonentity
It appears that Vladimir Putin , will warn the civilians in areas to be targeted to get out ASAP. This seems to be a political first as far as letting people know that they are on a warning. But will the governments in the targeted area let the people actually leave and will they permit any warnings to be published on their news channels? He seems fairly confident that the missiles he is using cannot be stopped.www.bitchute.com...

So, a little late, isn't it? Minus a few 100,000 and now he says it...lol Not to mention leveling whole cities to rubble, how would any of us want to be in that situation where you have nothing but rubble to represent our life?

His missile can be stopped... its called air war...

a reply to: Xtrozero

His missile can be stopped... its called air war...

I’m not to sure about that. The IRBM he just fired goes Mach 10, 7,610mph, 2.5 miles per second. They say they can’t be stopped with their current defense system. We’ll see.

The single IRBM they fired had 6 warheads, hard to defend against that.

originally posted by: KrustyKrab
I’m not to sure about that. The IRBM he just fired goes Mach 10, 7,610mph, 2.5 miles per second. They say they can’t be stopped with their current defense system. We’ll see.

The single IRBM they fired had 6 warheads, hard to defend against that.

I agree, but if this war goes to air power from this dystopian WWI war, but with drones it is over for old Putin.

a reply to: KrustyKrab

There’s no stopping that ICBM.
Putin knows it.
It was a warning, that’s why he used it, without nukes.
He wants a deal, not another useless parking lot.
It should be getting front page everywhere but it doesn’t fit the “Putin is nuclear-hitler” narrative they’re trying to spin.
January 20 can’t come soon enough.

originally posted by: Vermilion
a reply to: KrustyKrab

There’s no stopping that ICBM.
Putin knows it.
It was a warning, that’s why he used it, without nukes.
He wants a deal, not another useless parking lot.
It should be getting front page everywhere but it doesn’t fit the “Putin is nuclear-hitler” narrative they’re trying to spin.
January 20 can’t come soon enough.

Yes I also think it was for show, there wasn’t obvious explosive damage and they’re saying they may have been inert warheads. 6 warheads from one missile going Mach 10 is pretty crazy and 2.5 miles per second is just insanely fast.

It wasn’t a ICBM though it was a IRBM (Intermediate range ballistic missile)

a reply to: KrustyKrab

Well i saw vid of it,and there were more than 6 warheads,they came down in a pattern. 4 missiles,6 impactors each. 24 total,non explosive non nuclear. Had to slow the vid down to see them.

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: KrustyKrab

Well i saw vid of it,and there were more than 6 warheads,they came down in a pattern. 4 missiles,6 impactors each. 24 total,non explosive non nuclear. Had to slow the vid down to see them.

That’s just brutal, good luck trying to defend against that.

originally posted by: YouSir

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: annonentity

If Putin employs nukes...it's the end of Putin.

Period.

Ummm...If the west pushes Russia into using nukes...it's the end of you as well...

Period...

YouSir

So, a couple comments here...

First, I'm not sure what your intent was here, but if this was some attempt to scare me, well, it doesn't. My statement, unlike so many others here, was not intended to be bravado of some sort. It was merely intended to elicit the thought which 'should' be going through any sane leader's mind. And, if Putin is insane, well, then Gawd help us all. As for me, I am insignificant. The World, with me or without me, will carry on.

Secondly, there's a vast difference between threats and actually pushing the proverbial red button. This is to say, there is a chasm of difference between rhetoric and actually "using" a nuclear weapon...on anyone. Consequently, the "west" (as you put it) could park some nukes on Moscow's doorstep and as long as no one actually fired one it's all irrelevant. All just idle threats and sword rattling. But the moment someone actually fires one, detonates one...then all bets are off. All bets. You, me, and the entire human race will be lucky to survive. AND...even if we do survive, the World will be a different place ever after. In fact, it's quite possible any survivors might even wish they hadn't survived quite frankly.

People, the MSM in particular, love to use the phrase..."Line in the sand"...or..."Red line". Most who use this phrase do it for dramatic effect without much thought as to what it really means. It just sounds dramatic, so they use it. The actual detonation of a nuclear weapon in the modern age is crossing an absolute line in the sand for all humanity. Beyond this point is an existence where humanity has become expendable, become worthless.

I laugh at the idiocy of some of the statements here on ATS throwing around the casual use of nuclear weapons like it's some everyday occurrence. It is so far from "everyday" it is almost comical. The World will be different post that point, and it can never return.

So, again, I'm not sure what your intent was with your statement, but if you thought for even one second that I was somehow advocating the actual use of nuclear weapons, well, you would be sorely mistaken. Quite the absolute opposite actually. I was merely pointing out what is at stake for anyone contemplating their use...regardless of what circumstances might make them "think" such use is justified.

Just to be clear...my point was Putin (or anyone else) should know threats are one thing, but actual use is altogether different, and the very second they push that 'button' their own legacy will end. Thus the "Period" at the end.

Am I being clear now?

a reply to: KrustyKrab

Small...but not so small correction...it had 6 staggered waves of 6 individual warheads that each are about 250kg a piece. So 36x250kg of ordinance can be dropped with them. From the footage I have seen of the damage these appeared to have been inert warheads as the damage is not what you would see from 9,000kg of explosive.

a reply to: annonentity

If so he better start taking his own advice.

Because Mad Vlad is targeted at all times.

Chuck a real nuke out the pram and he better duck and cover himself.

And if they dont get him he will be living in a hole in the ground for the rest of his natural life.

Nuclear war is a mug's game and Mad Vlad knows that as well as the next man.

originally posted by: yuppa

Well i saw vid of it,and there were more than 6 warheads,they came down in a pattern. 4 missiles,6 impactors each. 24 total,non explosive non nuclear. Had to slow the vid down to see them.

There were 7 missiles, and I believe 6 were shot down, so I have no clue as to what that looks like when we also add in defensive missiles from Ukraine. Putin said it was not hypersonic, and this "new" missile was a knockoff of one that could carry 4 tactical nukes. So, if they put conventional warheads in it, then we are talking about 4 1800-pound warheads. This is a big missile 80,000 pounds (mostly fuel) so not so cost-effective unless it has nukes.

On a side note: It seems the Russians can't actually hit their targets; it's always some random building/field etc. so no clue to what they would be testing...

originally posted by: andy06shake

Nuclear war is a mug's game and Mad Vlad knows that as well as the next man.

He is worth what? 500 billion, so he has anything he wants in life. Unless he is on his deathbed and says F the world, I don't think he is ready to die or live in a bunker until he dies.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk


Ummm...all the posturing...and chest puffing...and armchair warrior muscle flexing...regarding possible nuclear holocaust is just a tad tiresome...laughable...and downright ignorant...

My point was to illustrate that any nuclear conflict will kill us all off...not just Vladimir Putin...

Now...I do actually enjoy the non denial of ignorance that's daily on display here on good old ATS...really I do...

However...I actually surmise that it's according to ATS's Mission statement to..."Deny Ignorance"...that I point out to those who somehow can't seem to grasp the severity of what they're championing...the logical fallacy of their position and the ignorance of their statements...

Why you should feel offended by me pointing out the truth of the matter...certainly doesn't reflect on anything I stated...but on the severe lack of critical thinking I see filling the threads here...


You can thank me later...






YouSir

a reply to: YouSir

Well, I think we may be saying the same thing.

And, I am not 'offended', I merely wanted to make sure my point was clear and was unsure if it was or not based on your comment. So, no anger here. (pretty tough to get me too riled up these days anyway).

I think we're good.

a reply to: MauiWaui

To an earlier point I made to another poster; there is a huge difference between saber rattling / posturing and actually detonating a nuclear warhead, regardless of size. Someone could park nukes on Putin's doorstep in Moscow, and as long as no one set any of them off it would all be irrelevant. It's just an idle threat.

Now, that said, there is a bit of a paradox created when a non-nuclear nation uses (as in 'detonates') a nuclear weapon. Although, I don't believe the US (or anyone else for that matter) hands over the launch keys to any of their nuclear arsenal. Nukes may reside in other countries, but they don't 'belong' to those countries, so the only people who can launch them are the people who put them there (i.e. the owners). What this means is...there is no way Ukraine is ever going to be able to 'use' a nuclear weapon provided by say the US. Therefore, only the US could launch such an attack, and the US isn't going to do this because it would be, well, suicide. This same doctrine holds true, to the best of my knowledge, for China, Russia, the UK, France, India and Pakistan. North Korea, on the other hand, I'm not so sure about.