DefCon Teetering on Escalation

a reply to: seattlerat


Ummm...the strategy was probably agreed to by Trump when he met behind closed doors with Biden...notice you haven't seen any statements about this escalation of Biden's...by Trump...

So...apparently he's party to it...







YouSir

originally posted by: YouSir
a reply to: seattlerat


Ummm...the strategy was probably agreed to by Trump when he met behind closed doors with Biden...notice you haven't seen any statements about this escalation of Biden's...by Trump...

So...apparently he's party to it...

YouSir

I have to admit colluding with Biden would be way worse than colluding with Russia.

Brain fart

Trump Jr wrote: “The Military Industrial Complex seems to want to make sure they get World War 3 going before my father has a chance to create peace and save lives.

“Gotta lock in those $Trillions. Life be damned!!! Imbeciles!”

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If Russia was a real superpower. Why didn’t they tell NATO pack sand. Do what the US does. Make the Ukraine a no fly zone. And obliterate any thing arms related coming into the Ukraine.

I get it’s Putin and this is about his ego. But just skip all military strategy to go right to nuclear threats?

It’s like the whole Ukraine thing is nothing but to keep a conflict going to funnel money to the military industry complex on both sides. The whole thing is obscene at this point.

a reply to: YouSir

Perhaps.

Either way, here is another update;

Hybrid warfare' warning after undersea cable cut between Germany and Finland
3 hours ago
Henri Astier
BBC News
Getty Images C-Lion1 telecommunications cable being laid to the bottom of the Baltic Sea off Helsinki, October 2015Getty Images
The undersea cable between Helsinki and Rostock was laid in 2015

Germany and Finland say they are "deeply concerned" after an undersea cable linking the countries was severed.

The rupture of the 1,170km (730-mile) telecommunications cable - which is being investigated - comes at a time of heightened tension with Russia.

The two countries' foreign ministers said in a joint statement: "Our European security is not only under threat from Russia's war of aggression against Ukraine, but also from hybrid warfare by malicious actors."

Damage to pipelines in the Baltic Sea has raised fears of sabotage in recent years.

Separately, a 218km (135-mile) internet link between Lithuania and Sweden's Gotland Island also lost service on Sunday morning, a Swedish telecommunications company said.

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a reply to: ADVISOR

The Russians where playing their dirty games a few days ago in The Irish Sea.

A Russian spy ship has been escorted out of the Irish Sea after it entered Irish-controlled waters and patrolled an area containing critical energy and internet submarine pipelines and cables.

www.theguardian.com...

a reply to: alldaylong

Yes, as well as a couple years ago, they conducted a fleet exercise in same area, directly over the trans Atlantic cables.

This is how they tap communication lines.

I suspect it was either deliberate sabotage to stop coms, but I lean more towards if it was cut, it was cut to prevent interceptions of critical communications.

Or in other words, to end the tap.
This is not the first time, and won't be the last. As you all can see, a simple search will show it was reported in 1980.

Exclusive: US sees increasing risk of Russian ... - CNN
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The US has detected increased Russian military activity around key undersea cables, and believes Russia may now be more likely to carry out potential sabotage operations aimed at disabling a ...

How a US Navy Submarine Secretly Tapped Russia's Undersea ...
nationalinterest.org...
In 1980, an indebted former NSA intelligence analyst approached the Soviet embassy in Washington D.C. and revealed the existence of the Kamchatka-Vladivostok cable tap, ending its nearly ten-year run.

The Creepy, Long-Standing Practice of Undersea Cable Tapping
www.theatlantic.com...
In 2005, the Associated Press reported that a submarine called the USS Jimmy Carter had been repurposed to carry crews of technicians to the bottom of the sea so they could tap fiber optic lines ...

Evaluating the Russian Threat to Undersea Cables | Lawfare
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What is known about this problem can be broken down into four categories: Russia’s cable warfare capabilities, the Russian navy’s potential underwater targets, potential effects from damage to submarine cables, and NATO’s publicly acknowledged efforts to respond to Russia.

Transatlantic communications cable - Wikipedia
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Cable laying in the 1860s. A transatlantic telecommunications cable is a submarine communications cable connecting one side of the Atlantic Ocean to the other. In the 19th and early 20th centuries, each cable was a single wire. After mid-century, coaxial cable came into use, with amplifiers.

NATO moves to protect undersea pipelines, cables as concern ...
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NATO has launched a new center to help protect vulnerable undersea pipelines and cables. The military organization is concerned about Russia’s mapping activities to locate vital Western infrastructure in waters around Europe used to transport energy and internet data.

Concern over Russian ships lurking around vital undersea cables
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Russian ships near U.S. undersea cables spark concern 05:03. WASHINGTON-- Russian ships are skulking around underwater communications cables, causing the U.S. and its allies to worry the Kremlin ...

2034 and the Threat of Russian Submarine Cable Sabotage
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submarine cables from shark bites? Undoubtedly, Russia engages in a pattern of activity near submarine cables. Much of this is attributed to the Yantar, a Russian spy ship which hosts two undersea submersibles and is likely capable of cable tapping, cutting, and/or delousing (removing taps). The ship has a habit of

a reply to: Lazy88

Because back in the day, probably before you were born.
Both Russia and America came to an agreement, called Mutually Assured Destruction.

Nuclear Deterrence | RAND
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The range of nuclear deterrence strategies includes minimal or "limited" deterrence, massive retaliation with a force greater than that originally used by the aggressor, and mutual assured destruction ("MAD").

Nuclear superiority or mutually assured deterrence - JSTOR
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mutual deterrence based on assured destruction. However, some contin-ued to argue that MAD was merely a doctrine that should be challenged. In the 1970s and 1980s, the United States attempted to escape from the implications of nuclear parity, to transform the definition of deterrence

He has stated a warning;

Russian officials say Biden decision to let Ukraine fire missiles deep into Russia could lead to world war

By Imtiaz Tyab, Tucker Reals

Updated on: November 19, 2024 / 4:21 AM EST / CBS News

President Biden's decision to allow Ukraine to fire U.S.-made and supplied missiles deeper into Russia — a major policy shift announced over the weekend after months of intense lobbying by Kyiv — has drawn a furious response from Moscow. While there was no immediate reaction directly from the man who launched the nearly three-year war on his neighboring nation, lawmakers aligned with President Vladimir Putin in Russia said Monday that the move was unacceptable and warned it could lead to a third world war.

Mr. Biden authorized Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelenskyy to use American-made missiles with a range of about 190 miles, known as ATACMS, to strike deeper inside Russian territory than the Ukrainians have to date. 
Putin warning about World War

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a reply to: ADVISOR

Which has what to do with if Russia was a true super power it would work on air supremacy and obliterate any arms brought into the Ukraine?

a reply to: Lazy88

Remember when everyone was led to believe Russia would annihilate Ukraine in two weeks?



Yeah well that did not happen. Want to know why?
Because Chernobyl is in Ukraine, and Ukraine was the nuclear weapons manufacturer. Why would Putin destroy what he's trying to capture?

Do you not know the history or strategic value of Ukraine, obviously not based on your presumptuous disposition.

In addition, here's a history lesson, for those who are unaware;

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Ukraine Overview - The Nuclear Threat Initiative
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Ukraine inherited significant Intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) design and production capabilities from the Soviet Union. These included the Pivdenne (formerly Yuzhnoye) Design Bureau, responsible for the design of the SS-18 and the SS-24 ICBMs, and the Pivdenmash (formerly Yuzhmash) Machine-Building Plant, which was the primary producer of liquid-fueled ICBMs such as the SS-18.

Ukraine and weapons of mass destruction - Wikipedia
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Ukraine, formerly a republic of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) from 1922–1991, once hosted Soviet nuclear weapons and delivery systems on its territory. [1] The former Soviet Union had its nuclear program expanded to only four of its republics: Belarus, Kazakhstan, Russia, and Ukraine.

Does Ukraine really want to go nuclear? | Euronews
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Ukraine agreed to relinquish its nuclear arsenal — the third-largest in the world — which it inherited from the Soviet Union, and moreover, to transfer all of around 1900 nuclear warheads to ...

How the Soviet Union's collapse explains the current Russia ...
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To understand the friction between Russia and Ukraine, it's important to go back to 1991. Exactly 30 years ago this weekend, the Soviet Union formally dissolved and broke up into 15 separate nations.

A timeline of Ukraine's history : NPR
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Since breaking from the Soviet Union, Ukraine has wavered between the influences of Moscow and the West, surviving scandal and conflict with its democracy intact. Now it faces an existential threat.

A historical timeline of post-independence Ukraine | PBS News
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Below is a timeline of major historical events over the last 30 years:. 1991 December 1, 1991: Ukraine Votes for Independence Amid the dissolution of the Soviet Union, Ukraine votes for ...

The History of Ukraine and Russia: In the Post-Soviet Era
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Independent Ukraine. In 1991, the Soviet Union collapsed. Ukraine was one of the signatories of the document disbanding the USSR, which meant that it was, at least on the surface, being recognised as an independent state. In the same year, a referendum and election were held.

History of Ukraine - Independent Ukraine | Britannica
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History of Ukraine - Independent Ukraine: The population of Ukraine voted overwhelmingly for independence in the referendum of December 1, 1991. (About 84 percent of eligible voters turned out for the referendum, and about 90 percent of them endorsed independence.) In an election coinciding with the referendum, Kravchuk was chosen as president. By this time, several important developments

And here We Are

US missiles strike Russian territory for the first time

The bombed military facility contained Russian aerial guided bombs, anti-aircraft missiles and ammunition for multiple-launch rocket systems, as well as artillery ammunition, including North Korean shells.

This is the first time that ATACMS have struck Russian territory, following the green light given by the Biden administration, as announced by various US media.

a reply to: ADVISOR

I don’t think Chernobyl has anything to do with right out Russian incompetence, corruption, a military filled with Putin yes men, and a toxic and abusive required conscription that kills military morale.

originally posted by: Lazy88
If Russia was a real superpower. Why didn’t they tell NATO pack sand. Do what the US does. Make the Ukraine a no fly zone. And obliterate any thing arms related coming into the Ukraine.

I get it’s Putin and this is about his ego. But just skip all military strategy to go right to nuclear threats?

It’s like the whole Ukraine thing is nothing but to keep a conflict going to funnel money to the military industry complex on both sides. The whole thing is obscene at this point.

I agree 1000% ...