A question about abortion and the states

I kept hearing Harris while campaigning that they wanted "the government out of the decision making process" regarding abortion. That was said by many on the left. So my question is, Isn't that what we have now? States allowing the people of each state to make those decisions? By bringing Roe v Wade back, we would be putting control right back with the federal government. I thought that was what they DID NOT WANT?

I'm not here to argue the validity of abortion or my or your feelings on the act itself, only to understand what people actually want this to look like in the future.

a reply to: network dude

It's just the left trying to rile up their base.

SCOTUS already ruled that abortion is a States issue. That means any new federal law would be struck down as unconstitutional.

The only path they could succeed would be if Kamala had won and taken the House and senate and packed the court with additional activist justices.

Even then, I believe it would take a Constitutional Amendment to increase the number of justices, which would also require 3/4 of States to ratify.


It's performative theater.

a reply to: network dude

They want to protect the 5% of the population who get a certifiable recommendation to abort the fetus by giving the 95% unilateral access to abortion resources.

Ironically, they also want to implement legislation restricting gun purchases to avoid the 95% making the same violent choices that 5% of the gun owners are inflicting on our society.

In other words, they abhor assault with a firearm but not murder. As Matt Walsh said, women's rights are more precious than infant rights, the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many.

Make it make sense.

a reply to: network dude

Liberal fear mongering, it's all they do.

On Election day I was listening to Fox News in the car on the way home from work, they had Arizona Dem senator Mark Kelly on and he repeatedly said Trump would institute a total abortion ban if he was elected.

The anchor attempted to correct him by saying it's up to the states now but he just kept talking over her lying about Trump's plans.

They are mentally F'ed up.

a reply to: network dude

Yes, you are correct.

Unfortunately, nobody in the media was smart enough to ask HER that question.
So many heads would have exploded.

Also, apparently none of her voters were smart enough to question that either.

originally posted by: chiefsmom
a reply to: network dude

Yes, you are correct.

Unfortunately, nobody in the media was smart enough to ask HER that question.
So many heads would have exploded.

Also, apparently none of her voters were smart enough to question that either.

that's kind of the point. Unless I totally don't understand any of this, that question seems quite relevant. And nobody seems interested in asking, or answering. WTF?

a reply to: watchitburn

It's far more important to remember that it's the prelude to expanding and packing the supreme court with useful idiots.

a reply to: network dude

They want the complete, unfettered and unchecked ability to have abortions, at any point during gestation. Everywhere.

a reply to: network dude

To be fair, in many states the decision is still left to the government, the debate would be if one prefer state over federal. Some states have made it a ballot measure, in those instances it was certainly left to the people.

That said, it’s crocodile tears from the left. They always threatened this may be an issue before the overturning of Roe V Wade, yet to my knowledge never attempted to codify it with legislation.

It was one of their rally calls that they used for political gain. If their base can’t see that, it’s on them. That has been the running narrative of the left, and likely the reason they keep losing. Their candidates have lacked charisma or any organic support for multiple cycles. And even when they had a guy who truly captured an organic base (Barry), he absolutely burned the American people.

At the same time they scream our population is decreasing soooooo we need more immigrants ... Useful idiots being played - it is what gaslighting produces

Flashback 2022

Schumer dragged after pushing citizenship for illegal immigrants as US birth rate drops
'Maybe quit promoting abortion,' one conservative Twitter user advised

On Wednesday, conservative Twitter users berated Senate Majority leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., for claiming that the solution to America’s declining birth rate was to grant a path to citizenship for 11 million illegal immigrants that are currently in the country.

Many reminded Schumer of the irony that he and the Democratic Party support abortion yet are complaining about low birth rates and looking to absolve illegal border-crossers to solve that problem.

originally posted by: network dude
I kept hearing Harris while campaigning that they wanted "the government out of the decision making process" regarding abortion. That was said by many on the left. So my question is, Isn't that what we have now? States allowing the people of each state to make those decisions? By bringing Roe v Wade back, we would be putting control right back with the federal government. I thought that was what they DID NOT WANT?

I'm not here to argue the validity of abortion or my or your feelings on the act itself, only to understand what people actually want this to look like in the future.

Democrats strangely want the decision back that was decided by 9 men rather than the more recent (and correct) decision by the most diverse SCOTUS in history.

originally posted by: RazorV66
a reply to: network dude

Liberal fear mongering, it's all they do.

On Election day I was listening to Fox News in the car on the way home from work, they had Arizona Dem senator Mark Kelly on and he repeatedly said Trump would institute a total abortion ban if he was elected.

The anchor attempted to correct him by saying it's up to the states now but he just kept talking over her lying about Trump's plans.

They are mentally F'ed up.

I explained this to a female friend who was upset yesterday. She should be happy the SCOTUS sent this issue back to the states because the President will have no authority to institute a national abortion ban, and neither will Congress. If they tried, it will be ruled unconstitutional. This is a state issue. Federal government has no place in it.

This is why we need more people to understand how our government actually functions. If more people knew what SCOTUS rulings did and understood federalism, the top Dem talking point in this election would have had no effect at all because everyone would've known it was bull#.

originally posted by: SideEyeEverything1
a reply to: network dude

They want the complete, unfettered and unchecked ability to kill their babies in their wombs, at any point during gestation. Everywhere.

And they want the taxpayers to foot the bill for it.
“My body, my choice, your money.”

That was the Senator race in Texas rally cry for the Dems. My wife and daughter even asked why abortion was banned in Texas. Flat out lie.

originally posted by: SideEyeEverything1
a reply to: network dude

They want the complete, unfettered and unchecked ability to kill their babies in their wombs, at any point during gestation. Everywhere.

I don’t think that’s what a majority of people who prefer abortion to be legal want. A majority of people never even have one.

A lot of people don’t even agree with the concept of abortion, and wouldn’t have one themselves.

I’m a straight male, and live my life in such a way I don’t imagine it being an issue. My girlfriends and I have made sure we do what’s in our power for it not to be.

If I look at the issue, it’s addressing a symptom, and not the problem.

The problem is there are people who don’t want kids and find themselves in a position where they have one on the way. I think it’s perfectly reasonable to have a cap on when they can have an abortion.

But I also see the issue in a state where it’s illegal, and kids are born to parents who didn’t want them. I imagine that would be a pretty bleak existence, and even worse if you’re turned over to the foster care system.

There would be more societal problems like welfare, and kids not growing up in a proper family environment possibly becoming a burden on society. That probably seems callous to put in those terms, but it’s something I think we should plan for if we’re going to make changes.

The abortion issue is back where it belongs in the states, Abortion was never a constitutional right, many states has put restrictions on abortions, and many have protected abortion.

Sadly we are a Republic, states voters have the right to choose what they want. Many has done already.

Interestingly most of those illegals that the democrats has allowed into America are Christians, even none Christians are pro life, something to think about, Latinos like babies and many of them, soo get ready to see the abortion issue been slash when these millions if illegals starts to vote.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

My post was more to illustrate the point that with leftists, nothing is ever enough. Even if you set reasonable boundaries and situations to allow for legal abortion, it isn't enough for them. They will always argue for more until they get what I laid out. We are not dealing with reasonable people who EVER compromise.

I just wrote a massive wall of text here in response to your post and realized I'm going too far down the path of what OP said he didn't want to discuss: "the validity of abortion or my or your feelings on the act itself" so I'll put it into a Word doc for later if we want to start talking about that.

But I stand by what I said in my OP.

I don't think it's about any of the things being discussed here, candidly.

I think it's about the democrats just wanting to keep the word "abortion" front and center of every single politics discussion. So, it doesn't matter what the SCOTUS, president or anyone else rules, they'll still keep bringing it up so they can say "Abortion" "abortion", "abortion".

Seems to me like the democrats just love, love, love getting abortions more than any other single thing in their entire lives. Abortion is the central underpinning thing in all democrat lives.

I personally don't care one way or the other about the subject. Just seems weird to me that the single most important issue to democrats is killing things.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
I don't think it's about any of the things being discussed here, candidly.

I think it's about the democrats just wanting to keep the word "abortion" front and center of every single politics discussion. So, it doesn't matter what the SCOTUS, president or anyone else rules, they'll still keep bringing it up so they can say "Abortion" "abortion", "abortion".

Seems to me like the democrats just love, love, love getting abortions more than any other single thing in their entire lives. Abortion is the central underpinning thing in all democrat lives.

I personally don't care one way or the other about the subject. Just seems weird to me that the single most important issue to democrats is killing things.

The smartest thing Democrats have done politically in decades was successfully tricking people into thinking abortion is a women's rights issue when it's not.

a reply to: SideEyeEverything1

Fair point, and it looks like I let my ADHD get the best of me and accidentally almost derailed the thread.

Thanks for pointing that out